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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4905
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:27:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:So you're fine with forcing a lot of people to pay several hundred dollars (at least) just to continue playing? But it's okay, right? Cause it's not like you have to do anything to get all the shinies you want. They don't have to spend anything. They just need to update their windows verson to a modern one of their choice. They can stick with DX9 if they like, or if their systems can't handle modern graphics. At least that way, everyone else can have the choice to run on the higher graphics, rather than being held back by people living in the stoneage. The way I understood it was that games which require DirectX 11 cannot run on hardware that supports only DX9, or even DX10 for that matter, even if the operating system supports DX11 and DX11 is installed.
If I'm wrong about this, please do tell me. I suppose I could "obtain" Crysis 3 to find out for myself, but I'm afraid of my laptop exploding. |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4999
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:50:00 -
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I will not be satisfied until Eve looks like this. Set Lasers for Fun!!! |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11295
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:57:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:I will not be satisfied until Eve looks like this.
With text based PvP "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
670
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing. if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
631
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:00:00 -
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If the people who won't buy a DX9 game wouldn't stay, there would never have been a need to upgrade from 8 to 9. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4905
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:10:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing. if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead. It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
671
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:40:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:March rabbit wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing. if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead. It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer. it does ****** matter when you choose every other game in the market (i speak not about solitairs and other hand-made crap).
I hope CCP understands that 19 century is in past so they will improve the game. |
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:March rabbit wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing. if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead. It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer.
I hope you never decide to buy a laptop replacement or all in one in the future. If it does not have a PCI Express X16 slot it should not be considered. |
Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
295
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:13:00 -
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AbhChallenger wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:March rabbit wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing. if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead. It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer. I hope you never decide to buy a laptop replacement or all in one in the future. If it does not have a PCI Express X16 slot it should not be considered. and even so, some laptops can have their GPU upgraded. |
Zuzmaw
33 RD Li3 Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 20:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Zuzmaw wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:AbhChallenger wrote:Nvidia had DX11 hardware in 2010 AMD had DX11 hardware in 2009
It is now May 2013. It is likely to be next year before CCP would even announce a switch to DX11. (A good time with XP finally being dropped by Microsoft) So what? So upgrade? It's not that difficult, welcome to the world of PC gaming, where you HAVE to upgrade every once in awhile. A GTX 560Ti, a kickass card for what it is, is $170 on Newegg. And what am I supposed to do with this graphics card? You seem to think I have a place to put it. And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.
Can't afford it? Move out. |
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:06:00 -
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another thing to note why they might not update to Dx11 right away if at all is not so much windows xp users Linux & Mac users would be completely cut off and forced to go out and buy windows and or vmware + windows to play the game. Sense wine does not support all of Dx 11 functions actually it supports very little. Before someone chimes in with there a small minority and they should just buy windows. Even if they represented 1 percent of the population base. 500k subs granted thats only 5000 users that's still 5000 less people playing (provided each account was unique and not secondary accounts.) If they plan on switching they should migrate to Open GL. Also mentioned if they did move to DX 11 You also cut off the entire mac player base also. These people might represent a smaller number of eve players compared to the overall numbers there actually a pretty big user base of the larger operating system market. So in effect you cut off newer people comeing into the game. A more viable path would be if there going to switch api's Go the universal route.
5000 users @ 15 a month = 75000 a month less in income.
over a year $900,000.00 Almost a million less a year |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
633
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:36:00 -
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Quote:another thing to note why they might not update to Dx11 right away if at all is not so much windows xp users Linux & Mac users would be completely cut off and forced to go out and buy windows and or vmware + windows to play the game. Sense wine does not support all of Dx 11 functions actually it supports very little.
Why is that? WoW works fine under wine. It just looks better in windows with the dx11 parts. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
Lazarus Hawklite
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:25:00 -
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You don't have to drop dx9 to put in dx11 support. There are plenty of games out there that use both. You just can't take advantage of the dx11 features if your computer doesn't support it (obviously). One example is "Stalker: Call of Pripyat" it supports windows xp but it supports dx11 if you have the proper equipment, heck you can play it in dx8. |
Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
801
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:27:00 -
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Angie Akachi wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Note: I haven't run XP for a loooong time. Too many programs I use won't run on it as it is so out of date.
Really? What "Programs" are u talking about, that only run under Vista/Win7/Win8 or do u mean "Apps" for Win8 metro thinggy? I'm also interested in what actual DX11 features EvE could use, except for the sleeker more faster API calls. I guess tessellation maybe, but this also works to some degree under DX9.
Windows Vista/XP/Windows 7 have been increasingly unable to operate 'legacy' programs with each new release. Some older XP and Vista releases won't even run on Windows 7 without using Windows XP Compatibility Mode (and I'm not talking about error messages; some of them flat-out won't do anything when they're launched). I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
854
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:42:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Windows Vista/XP/Windows 7 have been increasingly unable to operate 'legacy' programs with each new release. Some older XP and Vista releases won't even run on Windows 7 without using Windows XP Compatibility Mode (and I'm not talking about error messages; some of them flat-out won't do anything when they're launched).
Hell, many Windows programs pre-Vista era don't run on Vista / 7 / 8 very well at all lol
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Beef Hammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:45:00 -
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As stated several times many games offer the option to start in dx9 , 10 or 11. And they probably already ARE working on it for eve. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
540
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:19:00 -
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Just dropping by again, to say that Valve still supports DX8 in their games. TF2 regularly has content added which has a DX8 version. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:06:00 -
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Guys stop with the whole blaming game ok?
CCP will update to DX11 when the time comes as it is THEIR game to see fit and handle it anyway they want. I'm sure they know what they are doing with this.
Also stop forcing people to either 'put up or shut up' when it comes to their own rigs... come on, really? Telling them to go out and buy something they can't afford (at the moment) just to play a internet spaceship game? They have reasons why they don't...
Before you ask, yes I do have a top of the line machine for gaming (the comp alone cost me over 2K) and built it myself etc etc blah blah blah and I don't mind DX9... just release the High resolution pack for now (optional download/use) and let it be until next year. There is SO much more that needs fixing before a whole new graphics updated.
just my 2 cents Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab. - Said no-one, ever. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4908
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:22:00 -
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Zuzmaw wrote:And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.
Can't afford it? Move out. I don't give a **** what you do or do not care about. Save your **** poor attitude for someone who thinks your opinions are actually worth something. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
487
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Zuzmaw wrote:And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.
Can't afford it? Move out. I don't give a **** what you do or do not care about. Save your **** poor attitude for someone who thinks your opinions are actually worth something.
The real answer to your objection is that, since EVE already has DX9 support, adding an OS query that says, "hey, can I use DX11? No? OK, I'll use DX9" is easy to implement, and a common implementation.
I really strongly doubt that CCP would do a cold upgrade to DX11 only--certainly not before they had data indicating that there was nobody left who couldn't run it.
The idea that PC gamers will always automatically upgrade to high-end kit just to stay up to date, or even buy their PC solely or primarily for its ability to run games, is so five years ago. People really need to get over it: all computers come with some form of graphics acceleration in hardware now, and they're going to want to play games. Deal with it. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4909
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:33:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Zuzmaw wrote:And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.
Can't afford it? Move out. I don't give a **** what you do or do not care about. Save your **** poor attitude for someone who thinks your opinions are actually worth something. The real answer to your objection is that, since EVE already has DX9 support, adding an OS query that says, "hey, can I use DX11? No? OK, I'll use DX9" is easy to implement, and a common implementation. I really strongly doubt that CCP would do a cold upgrade to DX11 only--certainly not before they had data indicating that there was nobody left who couldn't run it. The idea that PC gamers will always automatically upgrade to high-end kit just to stay up to date, or even buy their PC solely or primarily for its ability to run games, is so five years ago. People really need to get over it: all computers come with some form of graphics acceleration in hardware now, and they're going to want to play games. Deal with it. Yes, I definitely agree.
I'm not sure how the OS query would be handled. I have DX11, it's just that my card isn't able use any features of DX past 10.1. I'm sure whoever is working on that would know, though. |
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
13
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:25:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features.
I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics. That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues.
Given Microsoft no longer supports XP, I find it hard to care if third parties do. |
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:39:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Just dropping by again, to say that Valve still supports DX8 in their games. TF2 regularly has content added which has a DX8 version.
The Source Engine has always been designed for modularity. That is why for them it was easier to add OpenGL support.
Comparing it to EVE online is utterly pointless. They already tried supporting a classic and new client and eventually dropped it due to development resources needed elsewhere.
I agree with others tho in that CCP will do this in their own way. They have their own internal research that will tell them when those who will leave EVE is at a low enough number (Just guessing that it will be soon after XP support finally ends) The thing is not to be surprised if they actually make the decision. Especially if Nvidia is helping the transition along in the background.
XP phaseout and the new consoles will be changing everything in PC gaming. I personally suggest being potentially ready for upgrades sooner than you expected they would be needed (Which is good practice anyway in my opinion as reserves in RL help keep you from going into debt.) |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
512
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:09:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:If we get DX11 I'll stop trolling and I'll even become an ISD to fight trolls So you want us to stay away from DX11?
Wouldn't want to miss your trolling.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:02:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:another thing to note why they might not update to Dx11 right away if at all is not so much windows xp users Linux & Mac users would be completely cut off and forced to go out and buy windows and or vmware + windows to play the game. Sense wine does not support all of Dx 11 functions actually it supports very little. Why is that? WoW works fine under wine. It just looks better in windows with the dx11 parts.
wow's dx 11 support under wine is nill Not to mention wow does have a open gl render under the same client. |
Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:05:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Just dropping by again, to say that Valve still supports DX8 in their games. TF2 regularly has content added which has a DX8 version.
actually valve is droping dx support in there games and going open gl... Most of there updates have removed direct x tf2 lfd2 and so on no longer have dx rendering pathways. |
Jada Kautsuoi
CASH Bonus Checks
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:00:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features.
I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics. That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues. Nothing says lack of progress like running antiquated systems. Seriously, if EVE cant feature state of the art assets becasue of Windows XP - wow I cant believe people still run XP. I mean, damn, didnt Windows stop supporting XP like 5 years ago? I ould be wrong, but If they are still supporting it, that cant be doing so for long.
They say at least 38% on the internet still use XP! Unreal. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1209
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:March rabbit wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing. if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead. It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer.
Perhaps the Tooth Fairy will be generous enough to you; to enable you to buy a shiny new computer. This is not a signature. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
269
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:42:00 -
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A reminder to those talking about 'shiny graphics' & 'why should we upgrade for just shiny graphics' CCP's tessellation Demo entailed not just a graphics visual but a change to the physics engine. Meaning we get rid of the crazy big bump hit boxes, and actually get skin collisions instead. This is a big change to the game, and a massive quality of life improvement. |
Sentamon
930
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:53:00 -
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Win XP users = RMT farm bots? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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