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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:18:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote: The Voluval looks perfectly like spiritual, dogmatic tyranny to me. To my eyes, it is mostly a petty matter of pots and kettles here.
You really don't have a clue, do you? What's tyrannical about the Voluval? Please enlighten us.
You should quit pretending to be some kind of rational voice and wear your bias towards the Empire proudly. You're not fooling anyone. Those who regularly read your little snipes understands and personal attacks know differently. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:22:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:An illegal order is one which does not need to be obeyed.
This is something that the Electus Matari chose to ignore.
So you'll be disobeying orders from your authorities if you feel them to be illegal then Blake? Oh wait, that can't happen in your Empire since all orders come from your god and are vetted by the Theology Council, right? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1407
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:29:00 -
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Just because the radicals on your side act like idiots doesn't mean you have to follow them to their moronic behavior. Leave the "I blindly follow orders" to the fascists and religious zealots in the Caldari State and Amarr Empire.
Just because the FIO and elements in the Minmatar Republic are acting like idiots doesn't mean we have to.
Also, I am encouraged that several Caldari and Amarr supporters in here are wearing JUSTK T-Shirts. Your admiration for our corporation is touching, and maybe someday you will concede that freedom and democracy are superior to religious zealotry and corporate fascism.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
500
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:43:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Lyn Farel wrote: The Voluval looks perfectly like spiritual, dogmatic tyranny to me. To my eyes, it is mostly a petty matter of pots and kettles here.
You really don't have a clue, do you? What's tyrannical about the Voluval? Please enlighten us. You should quit pretending to be some kind of rational voice and wear your bias towards the Empire proudly. You're not fooling anyone. Those who regularly read your little snipes understands and personal attacks know differently.
You only see what you want to see. Maybe should you read closer then? I may not have had arguments with a lot of Amarrians in the recent times, but that does not mean that I never had. And with Khanids and Ammatars, while we are at it. You can ask to PIE Inc, or even lady Vitalia who provoked me into a duel for my position, once, if you are not convinced.
As for the Voluval, some might say that letting marks dictate, or at least, point the way to go for a living is pretty tyrannical. It is, a point of view, not an absolute truth, but a valid point of view nonetheless.
And, if you are not convinced by the validity of the point of view, maybe you should pay a visit to Vo'Shun on Arzad / Starkmanir Prime, or to the various tongue-mutilated or exiled unfortunate individuals of the lottery, someday. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
210
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:32:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Lyn Farel wrote: The Voluval looks perfectly like spiritual, dogmatic tyranny to me. To my eyes, it is mostly a petty matter of pots and kettles here.
You really don't have a clue, do you? What's tyrannical about the Voluval? Please enlighten us. You should quit pretending to be some kind of rational voice and wear your bias towards the Empire proudly. You're not fooling anyone. Those who regularly read your little snipes understands and personal attacks know differently. As for the Voluval, some might say that letting marks dictate, or at least, point the way to go for a living is pretty tyrannical.
Some might say that it is a spirituality as deep as ink on pretty faces: an empty little ritual for empty little minds.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
925
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:52:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Lyn Farel wrote: The Voluval looks perfectly like spiritual, dogmatic tyranny to me. To my eyes, it is mostly a petty matter of pots and kettles here.
You really don't have a clue, do you? What's tyrannical about the Voluval? Please enlighten us. You should quit pretending to be some kind of rational voice and wear your bias towards the Empire proudly. You're not fooling anyone. Those who regularly read your little snipes understands and personal attacks know differently.
Your constant obsession with Miss Farel's posting is starting to border stalker level creepiness.
Would help if you were actually right in your comments though. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1352
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:34:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Lyn Farel wrote: The Voluval looks perfectly like spiritual, dogmatic tyranny to me. To my eyes, it is mostly a petty matter of pots and kettles here.
You really don't have a clue, do you? What's tyrannical about the Voluval? Please enlighten us.
The way it leads to mutilation, exile and worse doesn't exactly make it a shining beacon of freedom. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1352
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:37:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:An illegal order is one which does not need to be obeyed.
This is something that the Electus Matari chose to ignore. So you'll be disobeying orders from your authorities if you feel them to be illegal then Blake? Oh wait, that can't happen in your Empire since all orders come from your god and are vetted by the Theology Council, right?
I ask you to cast your mind back several years to when fleets led by myself assisted in the bringing to justice of an Imperial heir who had issued illegal orders to his forces. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:50:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:An illegal order is one which does not need to be obeyed.
This is something that the Electus Matari chose to ignore. So you'll be disobeying orders from your authorities if you feel them to be illegal then Blake? Oh wait, that can't happen in your Empire since all orders come from your god and are vetted by the Theology Council, right? I ask you to cast your mind back several years to when fleets led by myself assisted in the bringing to justice of an Imperial heir who had issued illegal orders to his forces.
I was there.
God's empire does not tollerate illegal orders and deals with them in a descisive and swift manner, this has been shown by the reverred brother Joshua. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1354
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:55:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:At the risk of revealing some intel on our operational capacity: yes, we could.
Will you use some of that operational capacity to replace Federal losses and provide compensation to the victims of your illegal aggression?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:11:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:On to the sublime: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I voice my disagreement with the Federal decisions, but if it is my call, I will not start a war over them. and Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I made a choice to follow the chain of command Emphasis in the original oh dear Heavens it doesn't get better than that... all right, three of my Sebboi Plushies are better than that, but just barely. Tears of joy.
You do realize those two statements are not actually contradictory, right? Ms. Rhiannon did not choose to start a war over anything. If the events of that day do start a war, it will be because of actions that took place before Ms. Rhiannon's fleet acted, and would happen regardless of what Ms. Rhiannon's fleet did. The initial volley, the volley that would be the trigger that starts a war if one erupts from the events of that day, was fired by the Naglfar fleet, not by Ms. Rhiannon's fleet. That call was not Ms. Rhiannon's.
Quote:On to poor Witch Midular:
As James pointed out elsewhere more politely, in life, the Matari "civilization" reviled her for being a woman of peace.
Not for being a woman of peace. For appearing to be simply trying to appease the Amarr Empire. At the time, I hated Midular. I saw her as a collaborator. I didn't understand what she was doing. In more recent time, I began to understand, though I still don't agree with all of it, and I respect her.
i would try to explain more, but it seems rather obvious you refuse to comprehend. |
Gottii
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:15:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:An illegal order is one which does not need to be obeyed.
This is something that the Electus Matari chose to ignore. So you'll be disobeying orders from your authorities if you feel them to be illegal then Blake? Oh wait, that can't happen in your Empire since all orders come from your god and are vetted by the Theology Council, right? I ask you to cast your mind back several years to when fleets led by myself assisted in the bringing to justice of an Imperial heir who had issued illegal orders to his forces. You see, the Empire has a complex system of checks and balances to ensure that it's difficult for people to overstep their authority, and when they do they are chastised accordingly. This is different to the Republic, which is increasingly adopting a system of "What Shakor says, goes"
Indeed, the Empire has many checks and balances to ensure that its laws and traditions are respected.
Traditions such as Godflesh. I'm sure all would agree such laws are sacrosanct, even to one such as the Empress. |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
83
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:39:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:An illegal order is one which does not need to be obeyed.
This is something that the Electus Matari chose to ignore. So you'll be disobeying orders from your authorities if you feel them to be illegal then Blake? Oh wait, that can't happen in your Empire since all orders come from your god and are vetted by the Theology Council, right? I ask you to cast your mind back several years to when fleets led by myself assisted in the bringing to justice of an Imperial heir who had issued illegal orders to his forces. You see, the Empire has a complex system of checks and balances to ensure that it's difficult for people to overstep their authority, and when they do they are chastised accordingly. This is different to the Republic, which is increasingly adopting a system of "What Shakor says, goes" Indeed, the Empire has many checks and balances to ensure that its laws and traditions are respected. Traditions such as Godflesh. I'm sure all would agree such laws are sacrosanct, even to one such as the Empress.
It appears Minmatar, among some other heathens do not agree, yet. But I trust that was not your point? Rather it was to make some wild accusations against the current holder of the Imperial Throne, with no evidence to back them, correct?
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen,-áGod keep us from-áfalling-áprey to their weaknesses. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
212
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:50:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:Gosakumori Noh wrote:On to the sublime: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I voice my disagreement with the Federal decisions, but if it is my call, I will not start a war over them. and Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I made a choice to follow the chain of command Emphasis in the original oh dear Heavens it doesn't get better than that... all right, three of my Sebboi Plushies are better than that, but just barely. Tears of joy. You do realize those two statements are not actually contradictory, right?
It was "her call" whether to fire. She called it. Contradiction established. Weasel around all you want, dear. The more you do, the more times I get to observe that even an alliance of halfwits doesn't add up to a full wit. |
Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.11 19:45:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Katarina Musana wrote:Gosakumori Noh wrote:On to the sublime: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I voice my disagreement with the Federal decisions, but if it is my call, I will not start a war over them. and Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I made a choice to follow the chain of command Emphasis in the original oh dear Heavens it doesn't get better than that... all right, three of my Sebboi Plushies are better than that, but just barely. Tears of joy. You do realize those two statements are not actually contradictory, right? It was "her call" whether to fire. She called it. Contradiction established. Weasel around all you want, dear. The more you do, the more times I get to observe that even an alliance of halfwits doesn't add up to a full wit.
She did not say that she would not fire at all. She said she would not fire the shot that starts a war, and she did not fire that shot, even if a war does indeed start.
Simply put, it was not her call whether or not a war occurs. Therefore, her choice to follow orders is not contradictory to "If it is my call, I will not start a war over them." |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
429
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Posted - 2013.05.11 19:56:00 -
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I feel silly even explaining this, but my "if it is my call" in the first one I meant simply that if I will be the one making the decisions, I will not start wars. I hope it is obvious that of my own volition, I would not have gone to Colelie (or anywhere else in Federal space) and started firing at Federal Navy.
The Republic Fleet did, however, and at that point it was no longer "my call", but theirs: a call I chose to respond to.
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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1023
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:11:00 -
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Amarrians crapping up an EM thread and casting accusations and insults....
So, business as usual, then? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
212
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:41:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:The Republic Fleet did, however, and at that point it was no longer "my call", but theirs: a call I chose to respond to.
A weaseling distinction without a difference, doll. It was your call, and you made it. In making it, you not only choose not to take up Midular's mantle of "Rise Above, Move Beyond" (tangent: has little "shaman" sweet pea found the spiritual message in that, yet?) but in fact to tear it into shreds. How appropriate, all things considered.
Let's face it: you and your hypocritical band of halfwits just wanted to blow things up. Nothing wrong with that, dear. Happens all the time. You'd have been better off admitting as much from the start. These rationalizations are taking you a bit out of your depth. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1356
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:36:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Amarrians crapping up an EM thread and casting accusations and insults....
So, business as usual, then?
If you start a public discussion, then you can't complain when the public get involved.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.12 06:27:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:The Republic Fleet did, however, and at that point it was no longer "my call", but theirs: a call I chose to respond to. A weaseling distinction without a difference, doll. It was your call, and you made it. In making it, you not only choose not to take up Midular's mantle of "Rise Above, Move Beyond" (tangent: has little "shaman" sweet pea found the spiritual message in that, yet?) but in fact to tear it into shreds. How appropriate, all things considered. Let's face it: you and your hypocritical band of halfwits just wanted to blow things up. Nothing wrong with that, dear. Happens all the time. You'd have been better off admitting as much from the start. These rationalizations are taking you a bit out of your depth.
I'll say this one last time, though I doubt it'll succeed at getting into that vapid brain of yours...
The call to potentially "start a war" was made by the Republic Fleet, not by Ms Rhiannon. Her statement that she would not make the call to start a war simply does not apply to the events of that day or the decision she did make.
Now, please, stop trying to sound intelligent and just...go back to your boytoys or something. |
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
216
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:47:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:I'll say this one last time, though I doubt it'll succeed at getting into that vapid brain of yours....
Your insipid, mealy-mouthed rationalizations only serve to provide me with additional opportunities to point out that Electus Matari is a Band of Hypocritical Halfwits. How is it possible that you haven't figured that out yet? Ah, yes. You're an idiot, too.
Kind of a thing with you lot, eh?
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Katarina Musana
Phyrean Logistics Inc.
40
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:06:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Katarina Musana wrote:I'll say this one last time, though I doubt it'll succeed at getting into that vapid brain of yours.... Your insipid, mealy-mouthed rationalizations only serve to provide me with additional opportunities to point out that Electus Matari is a Band of Hypocritical Halfwits. How is it possible that you haven't figured that out yet? Ah, yes. You're an idiot, too. Kind of a thing with you lot, eh?
Oh look, my prediction was right. It didn't get into that vapid little brain of yours.
The only opportunities I'm giving you are opportunities to show you've no idea what you're talking about and just like stringing assorted insults together and pretending they make you look halfway intelligent. I must admit, though, I am impressed with how exhaustive your thesaurus program is.
Frankly, dear, someone needs to take you over their knee and teach you some manners. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
734
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:42:00 -
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My advice to those of you who have better things to do than waste your time and brain cells wading through Noh's frequent brain barfs; under her hideous portrait is a small triangle. Clicking on it will give you a list of options, one of which is 'Hide Posts'.
This feature has saved me a lot of time and scrolling as I no longer see her ignorant provocations, nor those of a few other of the usual suspects.
Hope this little tip helps! What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
218
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Posted - 2013.05.13 23:46:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:Oh look, my prediction was right. It didn't get into that vapid little brain of yours.
Oh look, a little moron whose last response wasn't. Followed immediately by that *other* little moron whose last response never is. You remind me of someone else, though... someone in a more theologically pure organization.
Hmmm. |
Dame Death
The Rising Phoenix
14
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:43:00 -
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I was planet side and out of contact at this time, So forgive me if this has been answered before, but I have a Tactical question.
The Moros Class Dreadnaughts do Outclass our Nagfler class, but they have a weakness the Nag does not, why was there no "Nuet" fit battleships on standby to shut down the Moros's, or is it Mori, offensive capability? |
Dame Death
The Rising Phoenix
14
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:21:00 -
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On annother note, I must say EM has regained my respect.
We all get fracked up orders, but as warriors and soldiers "Ours not to question why, ours but to do and die" The fact no EM balked from these orders, makes me think the Matari have hope yet.,
And before people start flaming, and assuming otherwise I have never disobeyed a Order, I have resigned my commission rather then follow one, but never disobeyed.
As for Illegal orders Mr Blake, Must I bring up some from my time under the Empire? Some of which was relayed by you intact.
Eliza "Dame Death" Mariska |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
239
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:39:00 -
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Dame Death wrote: The Moros Class Dreadnaughts do Outclass our Nagfler class, but they have a weakness the Nag does not, why was there no "Nuet" fit battleships on standby to shut down the Moros's, or is it Mori, offensive capability?
The previous tensions saw many battleships brought out by the Navies. I think it was believed that the second time that fleet movements were reporting that more battleships were being mobilized. It wasn't until the fleets were on the field that it was realized that both sides escalated to dreads. By then, the battle was joined. And it was over before proper reshipping could be done.
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Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
110
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:31:00 -
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Dame Death wrote: The Moros Class Dreadnaughts do Outclass our Nagfler class, but they have a weakness the Nag does not, why was there no "Nuet" fit battleships on standby to shut down the Moros's, or is it Mori, offensive capability?
The Republic fleet was not equipped for the battle they engaged in.
Why then, did they engage?
That is the 50,000 isk question. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1399
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Posted - 2013.07.03 06:56:00 -
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Dame Death wrote:
As for Illegal orders Mr Blake, Must I bring up some from my time under the Empire? Some of which was relayed by you intact.
I don't recall ever ordering you to do anything major, and if I did your loyalties are so volatile that you probably would have disobeyed anyway regardless of the legality, morality or practicality of the command. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
706
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:41:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:The Republic fleet was not equipped for the battle they engaged in.
Why then, did they engage?
That is the 50,000 isk question. Because they had orders from "the top".
That "the top" is likely an angry, bitter, belligerent and blind old man who has done similar things on a larger scale should be no surprise to anyone. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
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