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Stormcrow Maiar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:59:00 -
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I've been playing Eve for about half a year, most of which has been logging on to update my skill queue.
I haven't been playing actively because I can't seem to immerse myself in Eve's environment. Everything is black, empty, or looks like some minor variation of some other object.
All the ships, structures, environment, missions, etc.. look and feel so similar.
This may come across as me ranting about Eve, which I suppose it is, but in all reality I've just been waiting for a company to make a product that really upped the ante compared to what has been done in previous MMORPGs. I was really hoping I would find this when I switched to Eve, but since it has been out for over a decade I suppose I should have known better. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3544
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:04:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote:
I haven't been playing actively because I can't seem to immerse myself in Eve's environment. Everything is black, empty...
Space is black and empty. Im sorry CCP injected that little bit of RL fact into your submarine spaceship game. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
505
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:47:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote: This may come across as me ranting about Eve, which I suppose it is, but in all reality I've just been waiting for a company to make a product that really upped the ante compared to what has been done in previous MMORPGs.
Then sit back and wait for someone to write the game you dream of.
In the mean time there's a little bunch of us who are quite happy with this one. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
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Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:47:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote:I've been playing Eve for about half a year, most of which has been logging on to update my skill queue.
Oh dear.
I would contend that you have not really being playing Eve for about half a year then. I'd say roughly "about half a year" minus "most of which".
Also, confirming: Space is mostly black and empty. If you were to fly your ship about a bit, you might help to fill a small portion of it. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
Ranzabar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:22:00 -
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I dig what you're saying man, I do. Whenever I bring a new chick back to my parent's basement, I'd turn out all the lights, and mostly they'd all feel about the same. More or less. Then I expanded my thinking. Opened my willingness to explore. Date outside of my comfort zone.
Low and behold, even in the blackness of my basement, rolling around on the couch, I could fee the difference... and some of it was just in my mind. I'm a new man.
Perhaps a metaphor for the world of Eve, no? Abide |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
361
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:27:00 -
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You have to immerse yourself in the player created organizations and gameplay, not the station models and backgrounds...
If you really do want that kind of unique PVE gameplay, head out to wormhole space. Have you joined a wormhole corp yet? |
ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
50
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:27:00 -
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Hey. Have you tried playing the game? Rather than adoring the pretty moving pictures? |
Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:31:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote:I've been playing Eve for about half a year, most of which has been logging on to update my skill queue.
I haven't been playing actively because I can't seem to immerse myself in Eve's environment. Everything is black, empty, or looks like some minor variation of some other object.
All the ships, structures, environment, missions, etc.. look and feel so similar.
This may come across as me ranting about Eve, which I suppose it is, but in all reality I've just been waiting for a company to make a product that really upped the ante compared to what has been done in previous MMORPGs. I was really hoping I would find this when I switched to Eve, but since it has been out for over a decade I suppose I should have known better.
So sorry. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
284
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:55:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote:Everything is black, empty, or looks like some minor variation of some other object. Kind of sounds like space then? |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
434
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:03:00 -
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Ranzabar wrote:I dig what you're saying man, I do. Whenever I bring a new chick back to my parent's basement, I'd turn out all the lights, and mostly they'd all feel about the same. More or less. Then I expanded my thinking. Opened my willingness to explore. Date outside of my comfort zone.
Low and behold, even in the blackness of my basement, rolling around on the couch, I could fee the difference... and some of it was just in my mind. I'm a new man.
Perhaps a metaphor for the world of Eve, no?
this guy gets it I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK |
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Rhivre
TarNec
118
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:12:00 -
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Eve is what you make of it.
If you sit and wait for content to be handed over, you will end up disappointed.
The new graphics on the ships are sex on a stick, as are the spacescapes you fly through. Try turning it up to max next time you go through (erm, I mean of course, past) a planet.
I find space (on the rare occasion I undock) to be anything but dark.
That, and the new jump gate animation is truly accident in pants...cant wait for June 4th |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
209
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:20:00 -
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Eve is not a game that immerses you, it's a game that you immerse yourself in. Usually you do this by getting involved in the player corps and/or events. The game doesn't hold your hand any longer than it has to and even then it only teaches you the very basics.
As for the ships, structures, environment, missions and all of that, the ships and structures are all tied into the feel of the races, the environment is space (a vast open blackness with few and far between), and everyone who plays Eve knows the missions are terrible. The gameplay is based on player interaction, so go and find a group of players to interact with and you will enjoy the game a whole lot more.
If you want some suggestions on corps, try Brave Newbies or RvB. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Raiden.
42
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:31:00 -
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Check out the Domain region for a nice and bright skybox! |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
154
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:26:00 -
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Obviously EVE lacks the space rainbows and the space pandas that the OP is looking for. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2508
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:31:00 -
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Ranzabar wrote:I dig what you're saying man, I do. Whenever I bring a new chick back to my parent's basement, I'd turn out all the lights, and mostly they'd all feel about the same. More or less. Then I expanded my thinking. Opened my willingness to explore. Date outside of my comfort zone.
Low and behold, even in the blackness of my basement, rolling around on the couch, I could fee the difference... and some of it was just in my mind. I'm a new man.
Perhaps a metaphor for the world of Eve, no? Except maybe when you have a Sansha chick. Damn them spikes. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
631
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:19:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stormcrow Maiar wrote:
I haven't been playing actively because I can't seem to immerse myself in Eve's environment. Everything is black, empty...
Space is black and empty. Im sorry CCP injected that little bit of RL fact into your submarine spaceship game.
We dont have very limited spaceship technology IRL atm, or very advanced stations, but we can walk in them. And what do you know, when you introduce a light source you can see inside them. Seems in fact the problem lies within your own words, "little bit of realism".
Seriously, its why my wife and kid don't play, along with many others.
Soundwaves vision of Eve is legendary. Eves current incarnation IS lacking compared to other games.
I truly believe that if that vision is
From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
156
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:11:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:We dont have very advanced spaceship technology IRL atm, or very advanced stations, but we can walk in them. And what do you know, when you introduce a light source you can see inside them. Seems in fact the problem lies within your own words, "little bit of realism".
"a little bit of realism" =/= everything must be realistic.
If that's what you want, then just shut off your PC and go outside.
Cipher Jones wrote:Eves current incarnation IS lacking compared to other games.
then why are you playing it? every game is lacking compared to other games in some respects, thus making your statement pointless. |
Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:21:00 -
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The variety in Eve is undocking your ship, meeting the other players, and having no real clue as to what they're going to do to or with you.
You might undock your mining ship to go and mine with some fellows you met in local.
What you don't know is that in the next system, they have two catalysts waiting to kill you so that they can take your loot. Or they can have an Orca that will give you boosts and you'll be friends for years.
Or the person below you in the station guest list, the one in the NPC corp is maybe following the Orca owners around, and will provide intel about you to a war-decc corp in the next region.
I don't see how not ever really knowing what to expect in the interactions with others can be construed as lack of variety.
Eve is not really you v. the environment. Not even when you shoot NPC rats and dock in NPC stations and get missions from NPC characters. It is not that simple. Eve, in every little bit, is player versus player. Only fools believe that PVP is only about blowing up a spaceship. |
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:01:00 -
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Kharamete wrote:The variety in Eve is undocking your ship, meeting the other players, and having no real clue as to what they're going to do to or with you.
You might undock your mining ship to go and mine with some fellows you met in local.
What you don't know is that in the next system, they have two catalysts waiting to kill you so that they can take your loot. Or they can have an Orca that will give you boosts and you'll be friends for years.
Or the person below you in the station guest list, the one in the NPC corp is maybe following the Orca owners around, and will provide intel about you to a war-decc corp in the next region.
I don't see how not ever really knowing what to expect in the interactions with others can be construed as lack of variety.
Eve is not really you v. the environment. Not even when you shoot NPC rats and dock in NPC stations and get missions from NPC characters. It is not that simple. Eve, in every little bit, is player versus player. Only fools believe that PVP is only about blowing up a spaceship. Well said.
There's also lots to see if you fly around. Try flying around to the various Landmarks around New Eden (with your graphics turned up)
Have you ever visited the Eve Gate? ISD Gallifreyan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
631
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:16:00 -
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Sobach wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:We dont have very advanced spaceship technology IRL atm, or very advanced stations, but we can walk in them. And what do you know, when you introduce a light source you can see inside them. Seems in fact the problem lies within your own words, "little bit of realism". "a little bit of realism" =/= everything must be realistic. If that's what you want, then just shut off your PC and go outside. Cipher Jones wrote:Eves current incarnation IS lacking compared to other games. then why are you playing it? every game is lacking compared to other games in some respects, thus making your statement pointless.
I said nothing about what I want or don't want, I explained why many people don't play it.
While you may have a snide attitude about it, it matters a lot to CCP. From what I understand its much more an upper management/investor issue than a dev issue.
From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
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Ruezer
Defiance LLC The East India Co.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:32:00 -
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Some games aren't for everybody. What I love about this game compared to other MMO style games is the ability to change the landscape of the game by one action.
Example, if I camp a system and kill their miners frequently, their alliance may get mad at mine. In turn this can cause a war between many alliances that change the landscape of the game...all caused by MY one action.
I also enjoy the politics, and meeting new people. The market is another aspect I love about EVE.
Unfortunately some people just can't into EVE, and I can see why. Find a game that you can get into or wait for one |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
441
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:32:00 -
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I kind of agree with OP, but I don't particularly mind. What there is, is pretty to look at, and the models that do exist look good. I prefer this over wildly over-the-top fantasy fair of colors and shapes. The variety is, as other people have pointed out, in the interactions with others and heck... even ship fittings can get really crazy |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1798
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:38:00 -
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can i have your stuff?
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1202
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:04:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote:I've been playing Eve for about half a year, most of which has been logging on to update my skill queue.
I haven't been playing actively because I can't seem to immerse myself in Eve's environment. Everything is black, empty, or looks like some minor variation of some other object.
All the ships, structures, environment, missions, etc.. look and feel so similar.
This may come across as me ranting about Eve, which I suppose it is, but in all reality I've just been waiting for a company to make a product that really upped the ante compared to what has been done in previous MMORPGs. I was really hoping I would find this when I switched to Eve, but since it has been out for over a decade I suppose I should have known better.
Eve is a 'doing' game.
Try it; and you may well find yourself becoming immersed in New Eden. This is not a signature. |
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
36
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:10:00 -
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I think the OP wants 'Space Castles' and boulevards as well as the occasional hand in the park holding, and of course unicorns and rainbows. The word 'immersion' doesn't come from eye-candy, it comes from the realization that you're about to embark on a journey, red-lining your ship into structure, screaming on TS for scrams, and trash talking in local. If you've only played this game for half-a year, you don't have a clue yet what EVE is. Takes far far longer to know and play EVE. |
Ziphis
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:12:00 -
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Stormcrow Maiar wrote:I've been playing Eve for about half a year, most of which has been logging on to update my skill queue.
I haven't been playing actively because I can't seem to immerse myself in Eve's environment. Everything is black, empty, or looks like some minor variation of some other object.
All the ships, structures, environment, missions, etc.. look and feel so similar.
This may come across as me ranting about Eve, which I suppose it is, but in all reality I've just been waiting for a company to make a product that really upped the ante compared to what has been done in previous MMORPGs. I was really hoping I would find this when I switched to Eve, but since it has been out for over a decade I suppose I should have known better.
Being honest bud if you feel this way....Can I have your stuff?
Also moving pictures are pretty ship spinning is great...skill queues are nice but do try clicking the undock button and flying in The "Black of space" |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
1042
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:20:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote: Have you ever visited the Eve Gate?
No , and i been playing for 9 years muahahaaaaa
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
408
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:20:00 -
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Sounds like you are playing solo and expecting PvE to entertain you. That's not the way to play eve and have fun. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Meta Warrior
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:21:00 -
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"Where's the variety?"
- Was chased around low sec in cruiser, horribly out-gunned. - Ran a mission with a couple friends. - Grabbed some crappy fitted destroyer's, got them blown up in low. - Laughed hysterically when a noob corp mate went head first into a WH and was back in med clone in minutes. - Fired a LOT of fireworks. - Went mining .... ok, not really, but you get the point.
Yup, no variety in my last 3-4 days in New Eden. |
Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:34:00 -
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variety? - there are literary hundreds of ships in EVE, each of which can be fitted in at least few, often more then few ways - basically there are more combinations of things you can fly then you will ever be able to try, let alone learn to love and use; if you consider play in small team, you pretty much have infinite number of combinations* *: sure, there are standard fits and there are fits that suck and ships that are outright bad (but devs are working on it), but even if you consider just standard T1 frigate fits, you have dozens of fits to choose from, hundreds of combinations if you take 3 men frig team and that is just tip of iceberg
so when you look at variety, EVE is at least order of magnitude above your typical MMO (with cca 10 classes and 2-3 specs per class); hell, after cca 2 years of (casual) EVE play, I am unable to name all EVE ships and am (very) far away from knowing typical fittings for each of them, also I yet have to see every EVE ship in space :)
then consider different approaches to playing eve and things you can do: manufacturing, highsec mining, lowsec mining, highsec exploration, lowsec exploration, faction warfare, 0.0 warfare, highsec warfare, lowsec warefare, wh warfare, industry etc. etc.... and all of these pretty much have different approaches and playstyles (sure, some are similar, but many are not - for example you will not play highsec exploration the same way as lowsec one and 0.0 will add additional tricks, wh space will add different ones..., same goes for many other things)
as for graphics, well... you shouldn't be really playing any MMO for graphics; imo EVE is not that bad in that part - you have shiny space, less shiny space, more shiny space, shiny space in different colors, even some different pretty shines in wormhole space, you have stations and stuff in different thematics for different races and stuff...
also as others said... did you try actually playing the game? :) |
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