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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
845
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:42:00 -
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Anton Duvalier wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Sinooko wrote:but until weapons are fired things need to be handled cordially. Someone enters your home with a loaded weapon, violates your space uninvited, and you wish to be cordial? Bringing this back from ad hominem attacks... One of our points is that this was a diplomatic incident before it turned into a military incident. Why was it handled by FIO & Federation Navy personnel only? Why wasn't a member of the Federal diplomatic service present to try and de-escalate the situation? If our agents were aware of the Minmattar action in advance, why were only military resources called upon? Once the firing started, of course courtesy goes right out the window. However, no attempt at detente was made. Instead, the agents and officers in charge rattled the saber and exacerbated the situation. Maybe this incident could not have been avoided, but we should have made every attempt to do so.
The counterpoint is that once the Matari made the decision (again) to cross the border with deadly hardware their intent was clear and represented a danger to the Federation, equalling only one appropriate response, destroying with extreme prejudice.
I believe it was a military incident the second they crossed the border.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1014
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:50:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Desra Mascani wrote:
Uh, and who are you?
One of the countless dozens of Villore Accords fans! Petitions! No Confidence! I've got a fever, and the only cure is more Soter!
Not gonna lie. I laughed. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Sinooko
Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords
52
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:04:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Sinooko wrote:but until weapons are fired things need to be handled cordially. Ha! Someone enters your home with a loaded weapon, violates your space uninvited, and you wish to be cordial? Do you pilot a short spaceship about your business? Did you attend a "special" capsuleer school? Their intent was perfectly clear, or they would have sent a shuttle.
By all rights the Gallente would have been in the right to open fire the moment the unauthorized dreadnaughts hit the field.
They did not open fire however and instead used the words,
Stolle Colalle wrote:I honestly don't care one wit about the shooter. Shootings happen every day. They're tragic, we deal with them
I liked Karin Midular and those words angered me. We saw what the minmatar did, and have good reason to fear what the Minmatar may yet do.
It would have been less of a political faux pas if they simply opened fire. Long Live Eve Online! |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
498
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:44:00 -
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Desra Mascani wrote:Scherezad wrote:Desra Mascani wrote: Uh, and who are you?
Oh dear. I hope that she does not show you. Oh dear, I hope she does. Maybe somebody else than the militia members here can show they can back their words with battle steel. But I seriously doubt that.
I do not see what this has to do at all with battle steel... |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
119
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:45:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Desra Mascani wrote:
Uh, and who are you?
One of the countless dozens of Villore Accords fans! Petitions! No Confidence! I've got a fever, and the only cure is more Soter!
I see we have something in common *holds up a botlle of wine that reads Merlot d`s+ñrkaz+Öm YC103*
A toast to you. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
855
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:14:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:[
I see we have something in common *holds up a botlle of wine that reads Merlot d`s+ñrkaz+Öm YC103*
A toast to you.
If you mean ridiculing Soter then you are going to need enough of that wine for most of the cluster.
and the FIO. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
439
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:17:00 -
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I believe that Blaque should be removed from his post for many reasons, and I've done so for quite a while, but the reasons here are not part of why until I see a reliable source that confirms this:Julianus Soter wrote:The FIO under direction of Mentas Blaque, has offered no information or the slightest amount of cooperation with the Republic regarding the tragic incident. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
63
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:15:00 -
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Sinooko wrote:By all rights the Gallente would have been in the right to open fire the moment the unauthorized dreadnaughts hit the field. They did not open fire however and instead used the words, Stolle Colalle wrote:I honestly don't care one wit about the shooter. Shootings happen every day. They're tragic, we deal with them I liked Karin Midular and those words angered me.
I've heard this from quite a few people, Sinooko, and I have to say I don't agree. Looking over recordings of communication, my impression was that Colalle was trying to defuse a political situation and make it clear that his priorities on the field that day had nothing to do with blocking access to the shooter. That the conflict at hand was solely one of the Federation Navy reacting to a foreign force crossing into Federation space. Bio and writing |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
139
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:43:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:I believe that Blaque should be removed from his post for many reasons, and I've done so for quite a while, but the reasons here are not part of why until I see a reliable source that confirms this: Julianus Soter wrote:The FIO under direction of Mentas Blaque, has offered no information or the slightest amount of cooperation with the Republic regarding the tragic incident.
Thoun Gatarau wrote:When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose.
You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations.
This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government.
This makes me highly suspicious of FIO motives in this situation, and directly implicates them in the escalation of the Federation/Republic crisis. |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
99
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:19:00 -
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Quote:This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government.
This makes me highly suspicious of FIO motives in this situation, and directly implicates them in the escalation of the Federation/Republic crisis.
You want to becareful Soter your going end like up like Karin Midular. Sanctioned by your own President Roden, carried out by your own intelligence services.
If not, your alliance must be close to being considered an enemy of the Federation. |
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
140
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:41:00 -
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Having learned the primary lesson of the Minmatar, in this case I'll let the FIO make the first shot, at least on terms of Alliance-wide policy. It seems our more. . . eager corporations have already declared FIO Persona Non Grata in our area of operations. That is their prerogative. |
Anton Duvalier
Moira. Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:30:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:
You want to becareful Soter your going end like up like Karin Midular. Sanctioned by your own President Roden, carried out by your own intelligence services.
If not, your alliance must be close to being considered an enemy of the Federation.
I for one would consider that a badge of honor. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Also, the FIO is not popular in the Federation. The FIO attacking a militia alliance, and one that's participated a number of high-profile victories against the Provists, would be PR suicide for the Roden administration. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
921
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:00:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:Quote:This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government.
This makes me highly suspicious of FIO motives in this situation, and directly implicates them in the escalation of the Federation/Republic crisis. You want to becareful Soter your going end like up like Karin Midular. Sanctioned by your own President Roden, carried out by your own intelligence services. If not, your alliance must be close to being considered an enemy of the Federation.
Of course you've compelling evidence to prove it was the FIO under Roden's directive that ordered Midular's death?
Because you're not the type to provide slanderous untruths to try and destabilise the Federation in a way that would benefit the Provists... Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
140
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:30:00 -
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Mentas Blaque since his bid for presidency has been known to not favor the Minmatar/Gallente alliance. I don't believe him responsible for this particular murder. But he does indeed have the necessary bias to follow a uncooperative course.
The FIO under Blaque also has significant conflict of interest holding this assassin, as the attack significantly damaged their credibility. They have a vested interest to bury any information, to keep the institution intact.
This situation requires the light of public scrutiny and criticism to correct what appear to be fundamental functional and philosophical flaws in our internal defense. The loud protestations and intimidation tactics from Thoun Gatarau, head of the Black Eagles only solidifies that fact. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
28
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:49:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:Quote:This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government.
This makes me highly suspicious of FIO motives in this situation, and directly implicates them in the escalation of the Federation/Republic crisis. You want to becareful Soter your going end like up like Karin Midular. Sanctioned by your own President Roden, carried out by your own intelligence services. If not, your alliance must be close to being considered an enemy of the Federation.
Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:39:00 -
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I support this initiative.
I may not care for the messenger but, that doesn't invalidate the message. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
857
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:57:00 -
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Anton Duvalier wrote:. The FIO attacking a militia alliance, and one that's participated a number of high-profile victories against the Provists, would be PR suicide for the Roden administration.
My Gallente politics might be a bit rusty (what with all the constant elections and will of the people nonsense) but I would think Roden or Blaque blowing up your organization would actually guarantee them re-election for the foreseeable future.
Pss. I'm trying to say no one likes your group. Even the Federation.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
196
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:24:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anton Duvalier wrote:. The FIO attacking a militia alliance, and one that's participated a number of high-profile victories against the Provists, would be PR suicide for the Roden administration. My Gallente politics might be a bit rusty (what with all the constant elections and will of the people nonsense) but I would think Roden or Blaque blowing up your organization would actually guarantee them re-election for the foreseeable future. Pss. I'm trying to say no one likes your group. Even the Federation.
Ah, no. Our Alliance, its Member Corporations, and Soter in particular are all in perfectly good Standing with the Federation. Foolish individuals are perfectly free to voice their criticism of us, but the actions of our Pilots show clearly exactly where our loyalty is.
Regardless, if the liberty of my fellow citizens is threatened I will defend it. Whether they like me or not. Clearly the actions of the FIO contravene the basic founding articles of our Federation. Apparently there are Gallente among us who've taken a liking to Caldari fashion lately and are hard at work shining their jackboots. Here's notice that some refuse to follow them meekly. |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
28
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:25:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anton Duvalier wrote:. The FIO attacking a militia alliance, and one that's participated a number of high-profile victories against the Provists, would be PR suicide for the Roden administration. My Gallente politics might be a bit rusty (what with all the constant elections and will of the people nonsense) but I would think Roden or Blaque blowing up your organization would actually guarantee them re-election for the foreseeable future. Pss. I'm trying to say no one likes your group. Even the Federation.
WHAT?!?!?!? People don't like us? Like who... Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Anton Duvalier
Moira. Villore Accords
4
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Posted - 2013.05.10 07:35:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
Pss. I'm trying to say no one likes your group. Even the Federation.
Ah, sticks and stones Mademoiselle Vitalia.
The Villore Accords and M. Soter are not known for being lovable, but we're also not known for dragging people out of their beds in the dead of night and throwing them into secret prisons without trial. While we can be loud and arrogant, we're not feared or hated like the FIO. |
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
428
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Posted - 2013.05.10 07:46:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Pss. I'm trying to say no one likes your group. Even the Federation. Pot, Kettle. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:46:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Pss. I'm trying to say no one likes your group. Even the Federation. Pot, Kettle.
To be fair, Silas may be a savage blood drinking she-witch, but more people like her than they do Julianus, which says a fair bit about his activities and those of Moira. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
428
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:55:00 -
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I concede that Silas is far more likable than Sotar. Yes, she hangs people on meat hooks, but you don't see Asias Urazmie hoping on the IGS because Lady Vitalia dropped the idiot ball. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
99
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:01:00 -
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Marellus
Quote:Of course you've compelling evidence to prove it was the FIO under Roden's directive that ordered Midular's death?
Because you're not the type to provide slanderous untruths to try and destabilise the Federation in a way that would benefit the Provists...
Im not saying the Federation killed Midular. Your goverment is extremely dangerous. Federation death squads, holding people in prison without charge, torture.
All i was saying if Soter continues his attacks on his own goverment he may end up like Midular. If he does It would of been sanctioned by the President Roden carried out by intelligence services.
Dont tell me your not concerned about your own goverments recent actions and accusations against it Marellus. Soter is concerned and is taking stand against it. You to should take stand against them Not with words, with force. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2612
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:00:00 -
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Oh, so it's become cool to fight the FIO now?
You're about two months late to the party, Soter. Mane 614
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
922
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:04:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:MarellusQuote:Of course you've compelling evidence to prove it was the FIO under Roden's directive that ordered Midular's death?
Because you're not the type to provide slanderous untruths to try and destabilise the Federation in a way that would benefit the Provists... Im not saying the Federation killed Midular. Your goverment is extremely dangerous. Federation death squads, holding people in prison without charge, torture.
Not my Government Tomhorn, you need to stop making that mistake. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
446
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:35:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Thoun Gatarau wrote:When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose.
You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations. This indicates they are not releasing information, to anyone. Much less the Minmatar government. I don't see these generic statements, that mostly describe Federal procedures in general, as an indication that what you think is fact. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Anton Duvalier
Moira. Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:05:00 -
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As someone relatively new to this charming little corner of the holonet, I'm rather taken aback by the level of vitriol and hostility here. It seems people don't have a problem so much with what M. Soter has said, but with the fact that it was he who said it.
Let's take the personalities out of the equation, and judge our statements on their own merits. I'll break down our arguments in detail, and everyone can let us know what's so reprehensible about them:
1. We believe that without Senate oversight, the FIO has become a rogue gendarmerie under the control of the executive branch. Should the FIO overstep the bounds of Federal law, the public (or even other branches of government) has no means of legal recourse. We have no confidence that without this oversight, the FIO has been or will operate either legally or in the best interests of the Federation and it's citizens.
To clarify, we are not asking the FIO to telegraph it's every move to the public. Transparency and accountability can be achieved without compromising operational security.
2. We believe that combined with this lack of accountability to the Federation public & their representatives in the legislature and judiciary, the FIO's "exclusive & unconditional" right to assume authority over any element of the government has made the president into a de-facto dictator. We have no confidence the FIO's authority will not be abused by the executive, and used to contravene the authority of the other branches of the Federal government (otherwise known as a coup).
3. We believe that M. Blaque's public history of discrimination against the Minmattar people makes him unsuitable to lead the FIO. We have no confidence that Monsieur Blaque is able to perform his duties without allowing his prejudices to become policy.
4. We believe that all things mentioned in prior grievances came together this week to cause an international incident with our closest ally. M. Blaque and the FIO, through deliberate prejudice or incompetence, provoked the Minmattar Republic. Although the FIO cannot be held responsible for the thoughtless actions of the Republic, they should, yet cannot, be held responsible for creating and then escalating the situation that led to the Battle of Colelie.
By this public statement of no confidence, we hope we can pressure President Roden to act in the best interests of the Gallentean people and in the spirit of Federation law. We are not asking for violent action against M. Blaque or his agency; only that the President remove M. Blaque from his office and reorganize our internal security efforts to align with Federation law and values. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1539
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:24:00 -
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Anton Duvalier wrote:As someone relatively new to this charming little corner of the holonet, I'm rather taken aback by the level of vitriol and hostility here. It seems people don't have a problem so much with what M. Soter has said, but with the fact that it was he who said it.
Hey, isn't yours the nation which determines Heads of State by how likable they are? We're just trying to play along! Honest!
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
16
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:27:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Oh, so it's become cool to fight the FIO now? You're about two months late to the party, Soter.
It looks like the author of the article there overlooked one small fact about the involvement of you, mr. Ixiris. Did you bribe him or did he just miss the fact that you were in command of the activist fleet? (Oh, and the True Slave Foundations were not in that fleet but flying around trying to be disruptive.) I was there too and left the fleet after I realized what the "activists" are doing. I wasn't happy with them gasing the FIO personnel to sleep. Yet you remained and later, opened fire on FIO ships. You continue undermining the effort of Julianus and side with FIO in this. I wonder, what turned you around. Or is it just the thing Anton hinted above so nicely quoted by Ms. Oniseki? |
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