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Twistator
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:08:00 -
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Please dont remove DSPs! |
Lucy Alfrir
The Lost Shadows Circle of the Shadows
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:28:00 -
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I was just about to train for DSPs as they looked useful for all kinds of things, please don't remove em. |
Sir John Halsey
16
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:46:00 -
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Burn JITA!
On a more serious note, every explorer or people living in WH will be deeply affected by this. CCP, Don't remove DSPs!!!
JH |
Shinzann
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
5
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:06:00 -
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Keep the DSPs! For the reasons my fellow WH residents have already explained way better than I could. |
Celeo Servasse
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:12:00 -
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Many great reasons have been expressed for keeping the DSPs. Would really hate to see them go. |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
304
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:20:00 -
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Quote:DEV Response requested
Because you're a special snowflake right? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
347
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:25:00 -
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You bet I am. |
Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:33:00 -
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IMO keep the probes but remove their ability to scan down players. Call me a care bare if you want but if you pvpers were half as good as you clame to be you wouldnt need to use DSP for pvp. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:46:00 -
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What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU? |
HazeInADaze
L'Avant Garde
47
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:48:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:IMO keep the probes but remove their ability to scan down players. Call me a care bare if you want but if you pvpers were half as good as you clame to be you wouldnt need to use DSP for pvp.
or remove combat probes and have core probes locate ships too. That way players have to learn how to tell when probes are zeroing in on their position -- Call me a pvper, but if carebears were half as good as they clame to be, they would be able tell when probes are meant for them or someone else. |
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
351
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:56:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU?
If these probes were being removed for a specific reason, sure I'd buy it and take it lying down. The drone/agression nerf was to combat people AFK missioning, for example.
To date, no reason has been provided for the removal of DSP's. They are hadly 'OP' in any way..
From a PVP scanning perspective, they are less effective than combat scanner probes. From a probing perspective and using the external tool I originally linked, it at best gives you a rough idea what you're scanning down, but is not 100%..
Neither of these are terribly unbalanced, or game breaking. These probes have just found a useful, emergent nich in wormhole defense, PVP scanning and PVE ..
It seems they have been removed without thought, or reason .. I think the only people in this forum are asking for is a good reason *why* they are being removed, or reconsideration of said removal if no good reason can be provided. |
Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
3
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:58:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU?
But its ok when pvpers do it right? Personally I dont care as I bail as soon as I see any kind of probe in a wh that isnt mine. |
gawrshmapooo
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:59:00 -
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+1
Not okay with this at all. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:17:00 -
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Agreed. Removing dsp benefits no one and harms many. |
Castor Narcissus
Limited Liability
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:27:00 -
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Never used them. But I've reading a lot of complain in the test forums. Just wanted to had to the topic.
If you are going to remove them at least replace DSP with a feature that does the same using the skills that people had to train for it, since you are touching the scanning mechanics, it's a good time to do it now than later. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:37:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU? If these probes were being removed for a specific reason, sure I'd buy it and take it lying down. The drone/agression nerf was to combat people AFK missioning, for example. To date, no reason has been provided for the removal of DSP's. They are hadly 'OP' in any way.. From a PVP scanning perspective, they are less effective than combat scanner probes. From a probing perspective and using the external tool I originally linked, it at best gives you a rough idea what you're scanning down, but is not 100%.. Neither of these are terribly unbalanced, or game breaking. These probes have just found a useful, emergent nich in wormhole defense, PVP scanning and PVE .. It seems they have been removed without thought, or reason .. I think the only people in this forum are asking for is a good reason *why* they are being removed, or reconsideration of said removal if no good reason can be provided. I agree, a reason would be nice. And maybe they have one. But I was responding to the majority of posts in this thread which are not "asking why," they are saying "don't remove them." |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:39:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:Din Chao wrote:What is that common initialism I see tossed around here whenever a hi-sec miner or mission-runner responds negatively to a game change that may require them to do more work or think about what they're doing?
HTFU? But its ok when pvpers do it right? Personally I dont care as I bail as soon as I see any kind of probe in a wh that isnt mine. I assume anyone in a WH is a "PVPer." If not, they're in for some surprises. |
Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:42:00 -
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Castor Narcissus wrote:Never used them. But I've reading a lot of complain in the test forums. Just wanted to had to the topic.
If you are going to remove them at least replace DSP with a feature that does the same using the skills that people had to train for it, since you are touching the scanning mechanics, it's a good time to do it now than later.
Either that, or we'd might need a skill reset for compensation.
I am still confused as to why remove them now though - provided that is the actual intention.
CCP goes mysterious ways at times Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
232
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:49:00 -
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Not sure why they are being removed. Although I don't use them often, I do use them. |
BigCynoBoom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:50:00 -
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DSP should stay in the game, there is absolutely no reason to remove them. |
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Mimiru Minahiro
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:05:00 -
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Umm.... you guys know that removing DSPs actually make roaming bands more viable.....right? The removal of the 256AU d-scan is a good thing. |
Sentamon
900
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:11:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:These have a use in PVP, and you'll be killing some emergent gameplay mechanics that have been in use, by my alliance at least.
- When conducting highsec ganking, or trying to scan down larger ships running missions, we will often employ deep space probes..
Ganker tears best emergent gameplay. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:11:00 -
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+1 Trained for them for a reason. Use them continuously. You should feel bad. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
473
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:13:00 -
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I just don't want items I got in my collection removed.
Remember last time you deleted stuff, CCP? it didn't end well.
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Scinndie
Horizon Military Group Eternal Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:14:00 -
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DSP are a valuable tool for both site runners, and PvPers. I do not believe they should be removed. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
360
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:55:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Ganker tears best emergent gameplay.
We don't cry mate, we adapt. Try harder :)
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1476
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:09:00 -
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The wormhole argument is moot, new wormhole sigs should show up on the sweep scan the second they appear, if you have sound on they even come complete with a "blip" noise. |
Apoctasy
the united Negative Ten.
24
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:43:00 -
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Use them for sites and, don't remove this CCP! |
Amidia Zadel
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:44:00 -
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+1 |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
587
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:10:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.
This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs. Considering, so far, in several threads related to odyssey changes, the second Devs start receiving alot fo negative feedback, theyd rop out and dissappear, i doubt well get anything useful in response here besides "these chagnes are good, harden up, blah blah blah" |
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