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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:00:00 -
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I seen this ARTICLE, and thought WoW! I mean, 1.3 million unsubscribed in just 3 months. Do you think it's the beginning of the end for World of Warcraft? Think maybe the end of the subscription based games? Do you think Eve should be worried?
I'm just curious if you think the same thing could happen to EVE since it is subscription based. Please keep it civil, and no trolling or smacktalking because if you do, the thread will be locked. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Ruvin
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:13:00 -
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doesnt matter how many mmo's i tryed p2p is still far ahead imo ... you just pay a reasonable fee and have everything gameplay wise , f2p cost lot more usually then a simple subscription ...
Maybe its better for companies fast imediate cash flow , which gets steady and so on , or where 1 person will spend the money for 10 if itt was subscription based . I mean 110 euros in one month instead of 10.
So imo sub is still worth it :| Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:41:00 -
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Im not sure the drop has anything to do with WOW being a subscription game. First off its been around for a while with a lot of "clones" or games based around the same idea. Thus it would be easy to just say "bye bye WOW" and jump into another game and find similar game play, better graphics, and more enjoyable story lines and quests. EVE however is more unique and most games that try to make something similar (spaceships) seems to be trying to make a combination of EVE and WOW which just does not attract that many players.
You also have to consider that its a rough time for people in school with finals and similar, and from my experience in WOW a lot of its player base is younger, or still in college so this is a logical time to stop paying the sub so they will have more time to focus on school related issues.
But also from the last i heard WOW was going down hill because of their introduction of even more daily quests that are not just boring but extremely aggravating and eats up time for little reward compared to the time needed, but for raiders you "need" to do these things just to have "the best" gear when your character is getting raid ready. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Daimon Kaiera
Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:54:00 -
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Eve is dying. .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--. |
Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:07:00 -
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I don't see how anybody could ever take a micro-transactions MMO seriously. In any MMO you're sort of competing against other players, even if you don't PVP. "Check me out, I've got shiny items because I'm an bad*** in this world and earned them."
If you can just instantly make your character stronger and shinier by buying stuff with real money, it ruins that whole idea of earning your comparative rank in the world. I might explore a game like that for a while, but it would be hard for me to stay interested in it very long. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:09:00 -
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Its the end of the world......of warcraft. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:23:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Its the end of the world......of warcraft. How do you kill that which has no life?
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:49:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Its the end of the world......of warcraft. How do you kill that which has no life?
With the Sword of a Thousand Truths. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:50:00 -
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It will get a new influx of subscribers when the film comes out. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:52:00 -
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i can't speak for others that have unsubbed...but i can tell you why i quit WoW...
...pandas. the entire pandaria expansion was so disgustingly grindy and hateful i would have deleted my account the moment i first started the quests. and would have...if i hadn't been suckered into a year long subscribtion agreement by getting free diablo 3...which i played for maybe 5 days, beat it on the first tier difficulty and NEVER wanted to play it again.
those gated daily quests are the most horrible thing ever. i started wow in the burning crusade days and i thought that was a grind...lol. WoW has always had a grind factor but MOP just took it to insane levels. even to hit lvl 90 took ages it felt like...by the time i acheived 90...i had no stomach to begin the gear grind. as soon as my agreement expired, literally the very day, i cancelled my sub and sent my little parting letter/reason to blizzard saying "you're crazy for making the game like this." basically. |
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
516
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:36:00 -
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WoW used to be so good during the Burning Crusade era. 10 man Karazhan was so fun back in the day.
WoW died during the Wrath of the Lich king expansion. Before that expansion, you had to be good to play Wow. Not anymore. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
749
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:45:00 -
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I don't think you can directly compare the two, OP, as they are so fundamentally different.
With WoW (World of WarCRACK) and clones though, it all comes down to the same thing:
How long can doing essentially the same damned thing for the same damned rewards all the freaking time --with a few better stats here, a different skin-job there, maybe a different-looking/slightly tougher boss-- before it all becomes so mind-numbingly boring?
I was never really a WoW player, but I have been playing SW: tOR --WoW with better storyline and glowy phallus-surrogates for 1337-teens, basically-- a lot in the last year, and the thought of doing another PvE [DAILY] make me want to /face-desk. (The Makeb and GSI staged [DAILY]/[WEEKLY] quest-arcs excepted...at least for now, but only because they're still new to me.)
Thank God for EVE, because there's a reason that those of us who get EVE never really "leave" it. Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Tybalt Hancock
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:31:00 -
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Haven't played WoW in a LONG time, but everything I read about the last expansion from various reviews was that it was just the same old thing and he experience was getting tired and overdone. Even the lore doesn't seem nearly as interesting or epic as it used to.
The game has been cloned to death, other fantasy games doing what Wow does better. It was never going to last forever, and you can blame it on pandas I guess.
That said just because they lost that many users don't forget they still have something like 8 million subscribers still running around. Wow is still doing fine |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1659
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:26:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It will get a new influx of subscribers when the film comes out. This is a cyclical thing. Their convention is sold out, and you can bet that the next expansion will be announced then, with an accompanying surge in subscriptions.
WoW is dying just as surely as EVE is Dying(tm). Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:18:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
if i hadn't been suckered into a year long subscribtion agreement by getting free diablo 3...
Isn't this a large majority of the reason they just lost all those subs? People that bought the year long contract but stopped played and it just ended?
Though, if we want to turn this into a "I hate wow thread" I'm happy to comply, I have enough whaa for that game to fill up a thread myself.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:15:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:Eve is dying.
I believe it
For real t his time "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Cierejai
Biofuel Productions
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:57:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:i can't speak for others that have unsubbed...but i can tell you why i quit WoW...
...pandas. the entire pandaria expansion was so disgustingly grindy and hateful i would have deleted my account the moment i first started the quests. and would have...if i hadn't been suckered into a year long subscribtion agreement by getting free diablo 3...which i played for maybe 5 days, beat it on the first tier difficulty and NEVER wanted to play it again.
those gated daily quests are the most horrible thing ever. i started wow in the burning crusade days and i thought that was a grind...lol. WoW has always had a grind factor but MOP just took it to insane levels. even to hit lvl 90 took ages it felt like...by the time i acheived 90...i had no stomach to begin the gear grind. as soon as my agreement expired, literally the very day, i cancelled my sub and sent my little parting letter/reason to blizzard saying "you're crazy for making the game like this." basically.
People like you are the reason WoW is dying. You don't want to put in effort to get a reward. You just want to click a button and have everything handed to you.
Like everyone else on Earth, Blizzard wants money so they are dumbing their game down to cater to "casuals" like yourself who just want pretty epics without a time/effort investment.
PS: I don't like grinding either. PPS: I am also an LFR baddy because I don't have to be social to get MUH EPICS PPPS: ^that's the reason the community is ****^ |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
537
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:55:00 -
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Wow has only been getting better. The skill system, the quests have become more use friendly, more fun and interactive. The classes have become more viable and better rounded.
The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game. We miss you Saede. |
Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:41:00 -
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OP, I have observed so many titles come out and advertise themselves as the WOW killer. All of them failed to meet expectations. What is so sad here is that in time WOW will fade and some game that just happened to come out of development at the right time will falsely claim credit. After this long on the market for a theme park game some decline in subscriptions is to be expected. They have been slowly bleeding subs for a while. The GÇ£endGÇ¥ for WOW will be a slow thing.
EVE is a rather unique niche title and I am not sure the common industry themes for more generic titles really apply here. Having a subscription fee will not be EVEGÇÖs undoing. However, coding against the will and inclination of oneGÇÖs player base is comparable to attempting to rule against the will of the people. That is a thing CCP needs to worry about from Odyssey, really since Incarna, onwards in their efforts to make the game more GÇ£accessible.GÇ¥. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:33:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Wow has only been getting better. The skill system, the quests have become more use friendly, more fun and interactive. The classes have become more viable and better rounded.
The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game. That's pretty much my understanding as well. From the anecdotal evidence I've heard old vets have been abandoning it for 2 basic reasons. They've finally become sick of the grinding, with hate for dailies being pretty fierce, and the gameplay elements they're personally interested in are now done better by other MMOs. They still resub to try new expansions, but the new things they provide only keep them mildy interested for a week or two. They've simply gotten tired of the game, have no excitement about where the game is going and have therefore started to move on to other things. |
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
538
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:40:00 -
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In the end the only game that will kill World of Warcraft is World of Warcraft 2 or whatever blizzard decides to name the next game in the same genre and theme.
When it comes to making user friendly games that appeal to a wide audience they know what they're doing. We miss you Saede. |
Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:09:00 -
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Relevant |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:37:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game.
This does not seem to be a problem for EVE. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
538
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:59:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game.
This does not seem to be a problem for EVE.
We will never really know that until we find out what share of the accounts are alt accounts. Eve greatly rewards people for having multiple accounts. It also punishes people for not doing so by making it impossible to train more than one character per account at the same time. The Campaign to make people get "a second pilot" has been pretty fierce as of late.
But then Eve as a whole is a drop in the ocean compared to the financial figures WoW handles.
We miss you Saede. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
210
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:01:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I don't see how anybody could ever take a micro-transactions MMO seriously. In any MMO you're sort of competing against other players, even if you don't PVP. "Check me out, I've got shiny items because I'm an bad*** in this world and earned them."
If you can just instantly make your character stronger and shinier by buying stuff with real money, it ruins that whole idea of earning your comparative rank in the world. I might explore a game like that for a while, but it would be hard for me to stay interested in it very long.
I play a mmo game on mobile called Parallel Kingdom. It is a free to play, pay for secondary currency, food, with real life money. This game brings the best of both words together and does it well in my honest opinion. It is a land conquest game played on google maps. It has a dynamic player driven economy based on resource acquisition and player crafting with no quests 8-). It has dominated my game time for over a year and half now. I have played it for free and I have given some money to the developers in the form of buying food.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
7544
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:19:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game.
This does not seem to be a problem for EVE. We will never really know that until we find out what share of the accounts are alt accounts. Eve greatly rewards people for having multiple accounts. It also punishes people for not doing so by making it impossible to train more than one character per account at the same time. The Campaign to make people get "a second pilot" has been pretty fierce as of late. But then Eve as a whole is a drop in the ocean compared to the financial figures WoW handles.
It's been fierce since I first logged on 3 years and 6 months ago. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The only thing dragging down the subscription numbers is that people have played the game for some 8 years now and despite the improvements it's still the same game.
This does not seem to be a problem for EVE. We will never really know that until we find out what share of the accounts are alt accounts. Eve greatly rewards people for having multiple accounts. It also punishes people for not doing so by making it impossible to train more than one character per account at the same time. The Campaign to make people get "a second pilot" has been pretty fierce as of late. But then Eve as a whole is a drop in the ocean compared to the financial figures WoW handles. It's been fierce since I first logged on 3 years and 6 months ago.
I guess you are not getting the same offers as my unsubbed accounts get... CCP has gone as far as offering Power of 2 to accounts just subscribed. Plus all the "come back" offers, pus the "start a sidekick " campagin, plus the average Power of 2 (which Ishtanchuck was offered while her sub was still active but already unsubscribbed, and then again when I fired a PLEX for her).
If Permaband had to make a new tune, it would be this one, and the videoclip would feature a line of CCP ladies in miniskirts, CCP Guard juggling viking swords and Hilmar handstanding and eating fire. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1667
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:15:00 -
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Hyperbolic, but accurate.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:If Permaband had to make a new tune, it would be this one, and the videoclip would feature a line of CCP ladies in miniskirts, CCP Guard juggling viking swords and Hilmar handstanding and eating fire. I want to see that video. Now. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Aaron Kyoto
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:50:00 -
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Eve has a fair few things going for it that makes it worth P2P, though all points can be argued against (and likely will be for the sake of it).
Going F2P - such as the old republic recently, gets a sudden influx of people who want everything for nothing and other terrible players. Not to mention a loss of services and other things we take for granted. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
7610
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:56:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:If Permaband had to make a new tune, it would be this one, and the videoclip would feature a line of CCP ladies in miniskirts, CCP Guard juggling viking swords and Hilmar handstanding and eating fire.
...and this is a bad thing? -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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