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Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
240
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:32:00 -
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Wish this came out over a year ago because my main hasn't trained for about 18 months . Oh well. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
459
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Posted - 2013.05.13 05:38:00 -
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DelightSucker wrote:this feature have been here forever, its called and ALT account
whats good about this??
its gonna cost the same as running another acc, that you can actually play on, have 2 cynos alts or 2 noob spys or whatever.
now we get the option to pay for 2 and only able to play whit one.
also. CCP, i thought you learned by having 2 options right next to each other. add game time and this right under each other is bound to fill up your pettion system! Simple. Now if you have something like RvB/losec frig alt, you either have to pay for both of them even if you don't multibox it with your main, or stop your main's training while training an alt. With this new feature you need to pay for 2 accounts only as long as your frig alt need training, after that you can have 2 character for the price of 1.
Technically, you can do that right now, but the (only) difference is that you have to stop your main's training in order to train another character on the same account. In the future you'll (presumably) be able to use PLEX in order to "compress" the time. |
Michal Jita
Lords Of The Universe Exiled Ones
1
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Posted - 2013.05.13 06:04:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:
buy a plex? with cash, i mean.
plex for cash is more expensive than sub for cash ... |
Vintah
Dissent.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:23:00 -
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This is such a troll feature.
1. If you want a limited SP pilot, such as a cyno alt, refiner etc. Just use your buddy key to activate a trial. You get 21+30 days gametime on your alt and also +30 days of gametime to your main.
51 days is enough to train most of the "trash alts". Even if not, it takes a while before the profit of an alt account starts to neglect towards dual training.
2. You play the same price as if you would maintain an alt account and still can't play them at once. And at the end, if you DO want to play those two at once, you pump in another 2 PLEXes to transfer the idle pilot.
Have fun!
V |
Capther White
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:43:00 -
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Good feature. I like it. |
Danni stark
251
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Posted - 2013.05.13 09:27:00 -
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Michal Jita wrote:Danni stark wrote:
buy a plex? with cash, i mean.
plex for cash is more expensive than sub for cash ...
and? you can still pay cash for training a second character. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4999
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:12:00 -
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Vintah wrote:This is such a troll feature.
1. If you want a limited SP pilot, such as a cyno alt, refiner etc. Just use your buddy key to activate a trial. You get 21+30 days gametime on your alt and also +30 days of gametime to your main.
51 days is enough to train most of the "trash alts". Even if not, it takes a while before the profit of an alt account starts to neglect towards dual training. And then after those 51 days are over, you can't use that alt anymore. What a solid plan. |
Danni stark
251
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:And then after those 51 days are over, you can't use that alt anymore. What a solid plan.
it's like after 19 pages people still don't get it.
i know i didn't quite get it at first, but at least it didn't take me nearly 20 pages to grasp how awesome it is. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Ciba Lexlulu
United Evian Peace Corp
14
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:54:00 -
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CCP, can we have the same feature but instead of PLEX, we use exotic dancer? up until now, Exotic Dancer is pretty useless beyond 'vanity' item and lol item in loss mail.
Imagine, you can 'sacrifice' an Exotic Dancer to the training god to train your alt! |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
209
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:19:00 -
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To answer a few more of the recurring questions in this thread.
We have initially limited this to two characters on an account. This has been discussed with Dr Eyjo (our lead economist) and a number of other important parties. We will be monitoring the uptake of this feature very closely and are interested in what we might learn from it. It's great to know that many of you see the value in it and we intend to put in a few more new UI elements before it goes live.
Please continue with any specific concerns, requests or ideas. The team is reading this thread and taking note of interesting points of discussion as well as putting pressure on getting a developer blog out before too long. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
443
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:26:00 -
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I'm 100% fine with this. I find the whole character bazaar thing to be quite convoluted and archaic. Basicly, it was always possible to train a second character as long as you paid the monthly fee. This just removes the need to also have 2 seperate accounts, so basicly nothing changes except that we don't have to start proxy accounts for our alts. Whats not to like? |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
764
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:30:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:To answer a few more of the recurring questions in this thread.
We have initially limited this to two characters on an account. This has been discussed with Dr Eyjo (our lead economist) and a number of other important parties. We will be monitoring the uptake of this feature very closely and are interested in what we might learn from it. It's great to know that many of you see the value in it and we intend to put in a few more new UI elements before it goes live.
Please continue with any specific concerns, requests or ideas. The team is reading this thread and taking note of interesting points of discussion as well as putting pressure on getting a developer blog out before too long.
I like how CCP Engineering is a completely different corp and alliance than the regular CCP. You guys should declare war on the other CCP alliances.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
13
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:31:00 -
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Well... i dunno, might be usefull for some people, but does it let u use both chars at the same time? Prolly not right?
With that in mind, i'd rather have a 2nd account instead of a trained alt on my main account. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
209
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:34:00 -
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Most of my alts stop training after a certain point and aren't necessary to dual-box. I'm going to use this feature.
Here's a hypothetical: Yeah, you can train on a separate account then do the 2PLEX transfer. What happens when you decide to expand on that alts training to react to game changes etc?
You spend another 2 PLEX moving to a separate training account,
Then 2 more PLEX to get it back onto the active account before the training account lapses,
On top of whatever game-time you buy to train with.
You folks have fun doing that then. Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1809
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:32:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:And then after those 51 days are over, you can't use that alt anymore. What a solid plan. it's like after 19 pages people still don't get it. i know i didn't quite get it at first, but at least it didn't take me nearly 20 pages to grasp how awesome it is. \
Ye,a I honestly don't get it, how are people smart enough to play the game yet not smart enough to understand why this idea is super useful to some folks.
Over and over again I and others have said "I have multiple accounts, i don't want more, i don't want to pay transfer fees, i don't care that i can't play both chars in training at the same time (I alredy have multiple accounts for dual boxing and such) etc etc" and some people still don't get it.
Sometimes I'm just sitting around and blam, and idea comes into my head for something cool to do in game and i have a toon on one account that can ALMOST do it, but if I want to train that all to "all the way and ready", i have to stop traiing on my main. This new feature means I DON'T have to stop training on my main just to try out new stuff with another character on the same account.
I get to experiment more with my toons, CCP gets money they wouldn't have gotten otherwise (because power of 2 or no power of 2 I'm not getting a 5th account, even if it's "free") and everyone with any sense should be happy,
Again, why is this hard to grasp for some people?
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
100
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:00:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Hey all,
RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.
If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.
Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.
+1 But i suggest that skill with longer quene continue to skill As your Customers - we thank you - CCP. [1/17/2013 11:21:16 AM] seleene_ge: I don't even understand why CCP has a forum. No one at CCP reads it. <---- True Story. |
Riyal
Fluffles Inc.
89
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:08:00 -
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Liking this feature, as I am currently toping up the skills on my research/manufacturing alts. It would be nice to not have to stop training my main. |
Biglenny
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:26:00 -
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I see this as a great benefit to someone like myself. I have 3 accounts all of them incursion pilots who spent there time flying all over universe to fight off the sansha horde.
There are times when incursions are not available and can be down for 1-2 days. when this happens the choice is to either jump clone to a new clone to pvp (you don't pvp in a top end incursion clone unless your a fool) or fly 25+ jumps with multiple characters just to set up a mining op only to have to move again when a new incursion spawns. With this option I can side train a mining fleet in just a few short months and not have to worry about plexing miner accounts that only get used 3-5 days a month.
This option is not for everyone but some of us will find a great use for it. |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops S2N Citizens
166
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:40:00 -
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The bigger question is will we get a button to log out the character and get back to the character selection screen?
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Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
78
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:57:00 -
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Djana Libra wrote:The bigger question is will we get a button to log out the character and get back to the character selection screen? Quoting for emphasis. Please do this. Don't make me bite my monitor every time I want to use that nice new shiny alt. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Daktaklakpak.
2168
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:23:00 -
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Meh...another ISK sink. Doesn't bother me any. It's not like they will be able to play both characters at the same time anyway. Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1810
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:38:00 -
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Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Djana Libra wrote:The bigger question is will we get a button to log out the character and get back to the character selection screen? Quoting for emphasis. Please do this. Don't make me bite my monitor every time I want to use that nice new shiny alt. You didn't say it loud enough, so i fixed. |
Haulie Berry
706
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:40:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Meh...another ISK sink. Doesn't bother me any. It's not like they will be able to play both characters at the same time anyway.
Excepting broker fees and sales taxes from an increased number of plex sales, this is not an isk sink. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14254
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:43:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Meh...another ISK sink. Doesn't bother me any. GǪespecially since it's not an ISK sink.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5022
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:04:00 -
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It is, however, a PLEX sink. Which may make it more difficult for people to maintain their subscriptions by PLEX. On the other hand whenever PLEX prices go up, people are more inclined to buy them from CCP to finance their in-game activities, so it partially balances out. It all depends on where the new equilibrium is. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
87
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:58:00 -
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I've been out of the game awhile. Initially, this change didn't look all that great. A nice option, but nothing groundbreaking.
Now that I've had a chance to look over the new training requirements resulting from the tiericide initiative, I see that there are several categories of characters who will be only a few weeks away from flying entire classes of other ships on June 4th. For example, a current freighter pilot will be able to get into an orca with just one extra skill trained to V, and any pilot flying anything above sub cap will be two very short steps away from flying freighters. There are plenty of other examples. While many of us are thinking in terms of the old ways of account management and account planning (which are still valid, but increasingly difficult to maintain without true passive income sources), this new option provides an interesting way to branch your existing characters out into new ship lines and quickly get into gear for the future of EVE. Perhaps this is step one on the path to fewer accounts and fewer fleets of alts. It looks like the future of EVE is more like other MMOs where players have true sub-professions. Anyway, interesting stuff. BTW: I'm totally sold on tiericide, excellent stuff. ***Frog Forever***
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Just Lilly
71
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:00:00 -
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My scanner / scout alt, stucked on the PVE account, would LOVE this feature. Powered by Nvidia GTX 690 |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.05.13 22:03:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Hey all,
RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.
If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.
Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.
JUST DO IT ... its a WIN, WIN for CCP
(on a lighter note the bean counters on the CCP board may be so short-sighted to think that subscribed account number is more important as its a hard number, but i assure you there are lots people who have have alts (lots were bought/transferred) who they will want to skill up to access other non complementary skills to their mains on the same account, and it also drives the PLEX market both in and out of game)
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:05:00 -
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The Dev Blog from the team has gone live:
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/dual-character-training/
Will try and answer any additional questions that are still not clear. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:06:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote:
JUST DO IT ...
Done! Odyssey soon enough (4th of June)! Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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