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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:56:00 -
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Here we go again with my semi annual plea to CCP to account for the fact that colour blind people play this game too.
RED IS BAD
GREEN IS GOOD
works jsut fine if YOU CAN *SEE* RED AND GREEN!!!!!
Basically, Odyssey exploration will be off limits to colour blind players.... again
CCP failed to listen to us... again
And yet another feature has been introduced with red=bad greed=good
FFS guys... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE listen at least once in 10 years to people who have been pleading with you for 10 years.....
Either put some colour blind people on your test panel or allow us to customize colour settings. You've been ignoring this advice for 10 years and it's getting really frustrating.
Odyssey introduces new exploration.... with scanning that includes red=bad green=good and cans popping out of objects in space with red=bad, green=good... that you have to react to under time pressure when you can't even see the mother.....ffafasfdasjkl;afd difference!
For the ... what is it?... 20% of EVE players who are colour blind, this means... no exploration for you.
Scanning already sucked HARD because of the abysmal choice of colours... now it's going to suck HARDER in double time.
I literally don't know what to do to get this point on the agenda but 10 years of moaning about it has delevered ZERO listening.
aaaarrrrrrgggggg!!!!!
I wil pod you all and eat your frozen corpses with ketchup! LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN... AT LEAST ONCE FFS. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:19:00 -
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I'm not colour blind, but listen to this guy. It can't be rocket science to add an option for him to set another colour... |
Jureth22
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:22:00 -
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support.
i know someone who is colour blind but he manages to elite pvp/scan etc cause he got used to it.but i understand this can be very frustrating |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:44:00 -
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Jureth22 wrote:support.
i know someone who is colour blind but he manages to elite pvp/scan etc cause he got used to it.but i understand this can be very frustrating
I think it depends on how badly colour blind you are. There are differing degrees.
In my case I have a type of colour blindness whereby the colour red more or less doesn't exist in my world.
It's hard for a lot of people to imagine, but I have a driver's licence and when I approach a traffic light that looks like it's turned off then I stop.... because that probably means it's red.
On rare occasions I have stopped for traffic lights that have literally been turned off... because I can't tell the difference between turned off and red.
In an EVE online context, I have an elite prober alt too and I've lived in wormholes since they were first added. I can actually see the red dots, although they look dim-brown, and I sometimes need to move the probes out of the way to see on a black background what they've detected.....
I also have an uber-alt that I use to scout with for roams, though and the little red squares that ships create if they overlap planets are literally invisible. I've moaned bitterly about this in the past but CCP has, over the last 10 years, consistently ignored any feedback from colour blind people.
My adivce to anyone reading this thread who feels that it's necessary to address this issue would be to ensure that the CSM member you voted for hears about it. I'm an optimist and although CCP have been very persistent in ignoring this, perhaps the CSM can get it on the agenda.
T- |
Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:54:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Jureth22 wrote:support.
i know someone who is colour blind but he manages to elite pvp/scan etc cause he got used to it.but i understand this can be very frustrating I think it depends on how badly colour blind you are. There are differing degrees. In my case I have a type of colour blindness whereby the colour red more or less doesn't exist in my world. It's hard for a lot of people to imagine, but I have a driver's licence and when I approach a traffic light that looks like it's turned off then I stop.... because that probably means it's red. On rare occasions I have stopped for traffic lights that have literally been turned off... because I can't tell the difference between turned off and red. In an EVE online context, I have an elite prober alt too and I've lived in wormholes since they were first added. I can actually see the red dots, although they look dim-brown, and I sometimes need to move the probes out of the way to see on a black background what they've detected..... I also have an uber-alt that I use to scout with for roams, though and the little red squares that ships create if they overlap planets are literally invisible. I've moaned bitterly about this in the past but CCP has, over the last 10 years, consistently ignored any feedback from colour blind people. My adivce to anyone reading this thread who feels that it's necessary to address this issue would be to ensure that the CSM member you voted for hears about it. I'm an optimist and although CCP have been very persistent in ignoring this, perhaps the CSM can get it on the agenda. T-
Man, that's tough dude. +1
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Deornoth Drake
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:56:00 -
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I'm colorblind myself, so I fully support this idea. Give us a choice to code the information in other colors or other forms of brackets.
E.g. the difference between partial and full safety is nearly impossible for me to see. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:24:00 -
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Deornoth Drake wrote:I'm colorblind myself, so I fully support this idea. Give us a choice to code the information in other colors or other forms of brackets.
E.g. the difference between partial and full safety is nearly impossible for me to see.
Yeah, I've had to set all safey's to "off" because of this. It means I need to know the mechancis but at least that way I know what state it's in.
T- |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:43:00 -
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+1 and I'm not even color blind. Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
Kenny Drein
Big Shadows Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:53:00 -
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I support this product and/or service, not coulourblind myself, but still, everyone should have the ability to get some fine probed down bling machariel kills |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:05:00 -
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this thread needs to stay at the top next to the stickies so ccp see it. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:42:00 -
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Seems to be fair solution to a problem. +1 |
Caljiav Ocanon
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:48:00 -
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Even World of Warcraft has a colorblind mode. Though I fly through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am aligned to a safespot and warping out. - Me 2013 |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:15:00 -
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Or better yet, dont make us chase cans across the screen after hacking, people with poor eyesight of any kind, a slow computer/connection, or really ANYBODY not in highsec, will find the enw system unusable. lag = unclickable loot, poor eysight = cant see the feakin boxes/ cant see which ones to click. not in highsec? = herpderp was chasingc ans around the screen so wasnt able to see that insta-cane come on grid and pop me. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:43:00 -
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Colorblind people are people too.
+1 for this. |
Jureth22
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:45:00 -
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another bump for a good cause |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:25:00 -
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+1 Can't be hard to implement.
Also would be nice for operating systems to have built-in settings to adjust to the specific color vision of the user. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.11 04:31:00 -
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CCP PLS. |
Luke Hammarskjold
Seventh Heaven's Retinue Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:20:00 -
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well, I also have this problem, although I prefer to call it "colourish differentsightness" :) I EVE I can get trough, but I know how f*+* frustrating it is when you know there should be something on the screen but you cant see it :D
+1 for this idea |
Aglais
Liberation Army Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:54:00 -
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Valid concern here. I'm not colorblind, but I definitely believe that those who are should not be barred from any sort of content for that reason alone. Perhaps differentiate between things not just by color but also by shape, when possible? |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:33:00 -
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League of Legends has a colorblind mode as it is heavily dependent on being able to see red and green also. It looks really odd to me in colorblind mode but then I'm not colorblind. Either color settings or colorblind mode shouldn't be too hard.
Alternatively simply adding marks or changing shapes should work too as long as there is something to differentiate items other than color. |
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Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:56:00 -
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I'm 27% colorblind to red/green and I support this.
It can't be hard to add an option to change red for blue or purple. |
Socks the Fox
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:12:00 -
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I'm not colorblind, but my brother is to a degree. Even if I didn't know anyone who wasn't colorblind, there's no reason not to implement some kind of alternate color themes for those with vision difficulties. No valid reason at all. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:52:00 -
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can't be that hard to use 2 different colours.. look at League of Legends colour blind settings...
Anyway, +1 |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:27:00 -
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CCP should support their players as much as we have supported them.
+1 for a colorblind mode. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
mr ed thehouseofed
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:39:00 -
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+1 from me real gamers only need one toon-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:48:00 -
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+1
I heartily support this. Accessibility based on game difficulty is one thing (I love it that EVE is so hard), but accessibility based on color perception is another thing entirely. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:54:00 -
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+1 I'm AM NOT colour blind but I AM against discrimination. CCP need to be brought to account and help our colour blind capsuleers!
I'll be contacting my CSM Elective on this matter immediately and linking this thread. My Feature\Idea:-áFast Character Switching "XP Stylee" |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:27:00 -
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Would switching to greyscale only work? That is just black, white and the shade of grey?
To be honest I don't think this is discrimination. Given that displays are RGB, missing the ability to see red means you are fundamentally incompatible with technology. And unless you do something like this thread, no one realizes you exist. Blind people have sticks and animals, cripples wheel chairs, color blind have.... well nothing actually hence the reason you are overlooked.
I wonder if using augmented reality you could swap the world for greyscale and thus be able to actually see things. That actually would be worth programming. |
Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:10:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Would switching to greyscale only work? That is just black, white and the shade of grey?
That's simply not needed. Most colorblind people are red/green and a few yellow/blue. Simply by allowing to switch red for blue would make 99,999% of the eve players happy.
You don't miss a color. In my case, some hues of red and green (mostly when they are bright) are hard to distinguish from eachother.
I change the colortag of corp members to blue to distinguish them easily from war targets |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2920
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:25:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:EDIT: I've evemailed Trebor Daehdoow regarding this matter. If you want to use the below feel free but lets get some action on this and evemail your CSM Representative:
I have raised this issue with CCP before, and will continue to do so. I've started a thread in the CSM internal forums about this and pointed interested devs to this thread.
Players with particular types of color-blindness may wish to list examples of where the interface lets them down and potential remedies that they think will have good "bang for buck" in addressing the issue. On CSM, masochism is not an option -- it's a requirement! |
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