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Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.05.11 06:20:00 -
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It's got me baffled.
I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.
Where are they getting all the money for fuel? Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |
Drunein
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
27
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Posted - 2013.05.11 06:48:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:It's got me baffled.
I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.
Where are they getting all the money for fuel?
My question is... why are you on the forums talking about towers.... and not in space, removing them? |
lanyaie
832
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Posted - 2013.05.11 07:17:00 -
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Drunein wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:It's got me baffled.
I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.
Where are they getting all the money for fuel? My question is... why are you on the forums talking about towers.... and not in space, removing them?
I should be asking you the same question Hay |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
383
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Posted - 2013.05.11 08:04:00 -
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I would be interested to know the answer, too. G££ <= Me |
Galileo Ohaya
Tortuga Coalition 102
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Posted - 2013.05.11 08:38:00 -
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I am in a C2, We have a hard time funding a couple of large towers with it. There just isn't the isk to be made. The anomalies don't produce much, not enough mag or radar sites to make a difference, the ladar aren't worth the bother, and shortly mining grav sites will be suicide. PI isn't bad, but at least in our WH, it isn't great.
So if they have more than a couple large towers, I'd suggest they are doing it just for fun. It is a game after all.... |
Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
77
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Posted - 2013.05.11 08:51:00 -
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If you are making isk only in your home C2, you are doing it wrong, or have a really ****** static.
Rolling a good static can produce as much isk as you have time to make.
Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online. |
Cheesy Feet
Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety
23
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:56:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online.
As above - don't count towers, count force fields that way you ignore dead sticks.
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grassy 420
Boris Johnson's Love Children
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:28:00 -
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my guess loads of pi.. reactions and getting lucky with mags and radars. also farming the statics can give u a lil extra |
Winthorp
Straya. Scrapyard.
130
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Posted - 2013.05.11 12:44:00 -
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I got very space rich bearing it up in a C2 (not this toon) if you stay in your C2 and think you will get rich though you are mistaken. You should never do your home sites in your C2 and farm the static. |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:32:00 -
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You'll see all kinds of ridiculousness in C2s, I've seen a C2 with a C2 static that had 2 carriers in it, as well as like 3 towers for the same corp all active. You can't reasonably make that kind of money in a C2, but some people do it just because they can.
Edit// Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2 |
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
252
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:00:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote: Edit// Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2
In my very early days in wormhole space I came across a C3 POS with more than 11 capitals floating in the forcefield, system had a static null so there was me thinking "oh smart they are going to seed them quietly into enemy null space" then (for the first time) I realised you can't get capitals out of a C3 - I left that C3 a very puzzled person - none the least why someone would build not just 1 but more than 11 capitals in a C3. |
AutumnWind1983
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
37
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:39:00 -
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Copying / Researching BPO's, T2 production and Reactions James Arget for CSM 8! http://csm.fcftw.org |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
103
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:14:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Dato Koppla wrote: Edit// Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2
In my very early days in wormhole space I came across a C3 POS with more than 11 capitals floating in the forcefield, system had a static null so there was me thinking "oh smart they are going to seed them quietly into enemy null space" then (for the first time) I realised you can't get capitals out of a C3 - I left that C3 a very puzzled person - none the least why someone would build not just 1 but more than 11 capitals in a C3.
Well some people will be staying in a wormhole as a temporary stay others might actually view their wormhole as a home, a permanent residence. To be honest if you never plan on leaving your wormhole voluntarily then is there really such a thing as too many POS or capitals? It all comes down to available ISK and how much you want to invest in your security. Also you can live in a wormhole but still operate in known space so one day you could be running sites in wormhole space the next incursions in hi-sec so it's not really possible to base a corps/alliances disposable income on the class of wormhole they choose to inhabit. |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
185
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:44:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Rroff wrote:Dato Koppla wrote: Edit// Well you could with a C3-C4 static, but theres no excuse for building 2 Carriers in a C2
In my very early days in wormhole space I came across a C3 POS with more than 11 capitals floating in the forcefield, system had a static null so there was me thinking "oh smart they are going to seed them quietly into enemy null space" then (for the first time) I realised you can't get capitals out of a C3 - I left that C3 a very puzzled person - none the least why someone would build not just 1 but more than 11 capitals in a C3. Well some people will be staying in a wormhole as a temporary stay others might actually view their wormhole as a home, a permanent residence. To be honest if you never plan on leaving your wormhole voluntarily then is there really such a thing as too many POS or capitals? It all comes down to available ISK and how much you want to invest in your security. Also you can live in a wormhole but still operate in known space so one day you could be running sites in wormhole space the next incursions in hi-sec so it's not really possible to base a corps/alliances disposable income on the class of wormhole they choose to inhabit.
The main reason it's dumb is because building capitals in a C1-4 is a sunk-cost, they can never leave the WH, sure they provide 'defence' but 11 capitals is ridiculous, a properly defended large tower and a decent sized active player base can keep out even the most dedicated low-class WH evictions unless the attackers are really hellbent on kicking you out (setting up their own tower, getting a huge fleet in over a week or so etc) and that might be the only scenario the capitals may come to use, even then its a longshot. Other than that what can the capitals be used for? Repping structures? Running sites? All in all its a bad idea, but that doesn't stop people from doing it. Just like people who run L4s in 10bil boats, sure it can be done and you may do them slightly faster, but all in all it's a bad idea, but once again, somebody is going to do it.
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Bane Nucleus
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
427
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:49:00 -
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Having a ton of towers in a c2 is easy. You make all your money in c5s with your alts in caps, while the rest of you guys live in the c2. Free Agent |
Britta Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.05.12 06:30:00 -
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They are problably running a T2/T3 manufactuing center. If that many caps are in there as well; it might be home to 100's of billions in terms of BPO's. Running such a large scale operation in lowsec attracts attention and nullsec is too inconvinient vs a highsec static.
My .07 isk |
Drunein
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.05.13 05:56:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:Drunein wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:It's got me baffled.
I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.
Where are they getting all the money for fuel? My question is... why are you on the forums talking about towers.... and not in space, removing them? I should be asking you the same question
IRL internet doesn't allow successful pvp. :/
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Bloody Wench
338
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Posted - 2013.05.13 07:11:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:If you are making isk only in your home C2, you are doing it wrong, or have a really ****** static.
Rolling a good static can produce as much isk as you have time to make.
Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online.
Cheesy Feet wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Though I suspect that many towers you have seen on dscan are not online. As above - don't count towers, count force fields that way you ignore dead sticks.
Not my first day in a WH fellas. I have FF and towers ticked
Also as stated, C2 with Hisec + C1 static, so they aren't rolling for farming.
AutumnWind1983 wrote:Copying / Researching BPO's, T2 production and Reactions
Seems like the most plausible answer. Cheers. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |
Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.05.13 07:12:00 -
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Britta Nolen wrote:They are problably running a T2/T3 manufactuing center. If that many caps are in there as well; it might be home to 100's of billions in terms of BPO's. Running such a large scale operation in lowsec attracts attention and nullsec is too inconvinient vs a highsec static. In terms of defense, C2 with C1 statics are very hard to achieve hole control on. C1 has a mass limit of 20t. It takes approx 50 jumps to collapse it.
My .07 isk
Interesting.
Also I'd never thought about what it would take to close a C1, I've just always avoided them...hmmm.
There has to be a cunning plan in here somewhere. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
689
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:11:00 -
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Gas reactions Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1369
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:16:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Gas reactions
Bloody Wench wrote:I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.
Probably not gas reactions. |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:52:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Gas reactions Bloody Wench wrote:I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though. Probably not gas reactions.
no probably tech II/III production. Or a BPO copy/invention farm.. I know of a few C2 holes that are static HS static C1 that ar4e just massive industrial farms, even if they attract attention .. they log it all off in orca/carriers and gridning 20+ **** stars in sub caps is to painful for most to touch them. |
Marsan
Emergency and I
99
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Posted - 2013.05.14 00:26:00 -
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Having lived in a just such a hole years ago I can tell you they are real isk makers. Sure they aren't a C5-6, but it's easy care free isk...
- Farm the C1 static every day. The nano ribbon drops are in a C1 are pretty good, and quick. (It wouldn't surprise me if this is a better isk maker than farming a single C3 long term.) - Mine the ladars dry. (This sucks now but come summer the ABCs will be worth mining again also it will provide minerals for your capitals) - Mine the gas (This isn't the money maker of the past, but ventures are cheap enough to afk mine) - PI with 2-3 characters per account it's basically free isk - Setup research POSes it's much cheaper than HS, and safer than LS - Setup reaction POSes it's much cheaper than HS, and safer than LS
Also way people make it not worth evicting you is to drop a small POS on every moon so the attacker can't drop a staging POS without shooting up an offline tower. If they do evict you just power up all the small POSes for staging when you come back. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Mister Tuggles
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 01:10:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:It's got me baffled.
I don't see reaction modules, sometimes Labs though.
Where are they getting all the money for fuel?
These wormholes are owned/funded by the large c5/6 WH alliances. Their members set up in these for better small gang PvP and what not.
I remember running into a hole that had something like 29 large towers in it. I broke the golden rule of WH's and spoke in local to ask why/how they had so many. That was the answer I got. |
Abyss Wyrm
Brotherhood.
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Posted - 2013.05.14 04:21:00 -
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C1 and C2 not a place for gaining profit in W-space (only if for training purpose), its strategical systems perfect for skirmish-raid-PvP. Especially c2, which is always have 2 static wormholes. Open wormhole you want, raid into deep low or nullsecs (and if possible at other w-space systems as well), and get back. Especially well for raiding nullsecs, since you both dont need settle in it, with all those complexities about defending your null systems, and yet you dont need to worry about passing systems like HED-GP and other 'bottleneck' systems. Same time risk of retaliation is minimal, its nearly impossible that someone will try to search you among those 2.5k W-space systems to make you pay for their losses, they will rather abandon that cause very soon.
So answer is - no, c2 doesn't pay for itself, neither should. Though its still possible to get enough money to pay for it, especially if one of static wormholes lead to c5 system. There is so much to discover, just beneath the surface (C) |
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