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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
897
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:26:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Aryth wrote:Danni stark wrote:
too expensive to gank
This is not remotely true. that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk. i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*
Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Danni stark
235
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:32:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Danni stark wrote:Aryth wrote:Danni stark wrote:
too expensive to gank
This is not remotely true. that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk. i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug* Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.
*shrug* i hope you're right, i'll make a nice profit off it. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
747
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:40:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Aryth wrote:Danni stark wrote:Aryth wrote:Danni stark wrote:
too expensive to gank
This is not remotely true. that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk. i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug* Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either. *shrug* i hope you're right, i'll make a nice profit off it.
Unless of course your the one loosing ships |
Danni stark
238
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:46:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Unless of course your the one loosing ships
it's a distinct possibility that i will, but i'm long overdue to lose a mining ship anyway i guess.
then again, when a retriever is so cheap, no fucks will be given if i do. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
33
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:12:00 -
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The Guild and the entire universe depends on ice. He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.
When the ice flow stops, all eyes will turn to Hi-Sec. The Baron and the Emperor himself will be forced to deal with us. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
200
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:17:00 -
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I don't see a highsec ice cartel being too difficult, for people who are willing to devote the time to it. Gank who you can. Bump those you can't gank. Short-cycle and fast mine the ones you can't bump or gank.
It'd take a decent number of folks to nail down one isotope, but I don't see it as being impossible. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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baltec1
Bat Country
6324
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:27:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Aryth wrote:Danni stark wrote:
too expensive to gank
This is not remotely true. last i checked in a 0.5 system concord took ~20 seconds, so you'd need 4k dps per 80k skiff. that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk. i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*
Yes, it will not be viable to gank macks this summer. Please fit t2 ice harvesters on all of your ships. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
750
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:27:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.
btw, can we count on a nice ice-interdiction by the Goons after the patch? |
Danni stark
241
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Posted - 2013.05.12 18:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yes, it will not be viable to gank macks this summer. Please fit t2 ice harvesters on all of your ships. i was talking about skiffs...
YuuKnow wrote:Aryth wrote:Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either. btw, can we count on a nice ice-interdiction by the Goons after the patch? i think that's already a forgone conclusion. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
7935
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:11:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Danni stark wrote:YuuKnow wrote:No fun. That's why we need to petition CCP to make ice mining a player-corp only mechanic. yk i agree, it's no fun being able to do an underpaid activity without it costing you even more money in replacing ships because you've really got no defence in a mining ship other than don't mine or drop to an npc corp. NPC corps can stick to roids and missioning. Leave the ice to the real corps. yk
So much for The Sandbox.
-áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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baltec1
Bat Country
6325
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:12:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:i was talking about skiffs...
Funny thing is, I have seen more mining carriers than skiffs. |
Lord LazyGhost
Pissed Every Night Including Sundays
69
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:23:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:The coolest thing that could happen after Odyssey lands is for one or more corps to come into the high sec ice systems and attempt to control the ice. War-deccing any organized corp that attempts to regularly harvest the ice fields. Continuous ganks on NPC corp miners that try to mine the ice. 23/7 activity against all that attempt to harvest the ice supplies.
Continuous warring amongst rival corps warring over control of the ice supplies = cool. I would join a corp like that.
The only problem I see, is that if so many npc corp miners start to become so numerous that you can't really 'war' against them (since you can't declare war on NPC corps).
Maybe there needs to be some sort of mechanic where only player corps can mine the ice? NPC corps will have to stick to roids and missioning. Leave the ice to the real corps.
yk
Easy fix if ur in a NPC corp you can't fly a ship that can't be trained on a trial account. I problem solved all these fighter alts., and mi ers and I rap like that would have to join player corps to be able to unlock I am those kind d's of ships. |
Danni stark
244
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Danni stark wrote:i was talking about skiffs...
Funny thing is, I have seen more mining carriers than skiffs.
sad thing is; i don't doubt that, at all. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Danni stark
244
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:53:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Easy fix if ur in a NPC corp you can't fly a ship that can't be trained on a trial account. I problem solved all these fighter alts., and mi ers and I rap like that would have to join player corps to be able to unlock I am those kind d's of ships.
not quite sure you know what the word "fix" means since that idea breaks a hell of a lot of things. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Lord LazyGhost
Pissed Every Night Including Sundays
70
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:46:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Lord LazyGhost wrote:Easy fix if ur in a NPC corp you can't fly a ship that can't be trained on a trial account. I problem solved all these fighter alts., and mi ers and I rap like that would have to join player corps to be able to unlock I am those kind d's of ships. not quite sure you know what the word "fix" means since that idea breaks a hell of a lot of things.
And now y breaks you mens stops people having risk free money. I ie mineing missions. ThT sort of crap. I |
Danni stark
244
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:02:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Danni stark wrote:Lord LazyGhost wrote:Easy fix if ur in a NPC corp you can't fly a ship that can't be trained on a trial account. I problem solved all these fighter alts., and mi ers and I rap like that would have to join player corps to be able to unlock I am those kind d's of ships. not quite sure you know what the word "fix" means since that idea breaks a hell of a lot of things. And now y breaks you mens stops people having risk free money. I ie mineing missions. ThT sort of crap. I
you heard it here first folks. suicide gankers aren't a risk to miners. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
760
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:22:00 -
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Highsec Ice belongs to James 315. End of story. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
756
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:32:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:it's a distinct possibility that i will, but i'm long overdue to lose a mining ship anyway i guess. then again, when a retriever is so cheap, no fucks will be given if i do.
As you wish.
yk |
Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
240
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:37:00 -
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Sure there could be a high sec mining war... if by war you mean whining and raging on the forums about ice being mined under them. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6328
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:38:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Highsec Ice belongs to James 315. End of story.
The barges that mine it however belong to us |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4992
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:39:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Danni stark wrote:Lord LazyGhost wrote:Easy fix if ur in a NPC corp you can't fly a ship that can't be trained on a trial account. I problem solved all these fighter alts., and mi ers and I rap like that would have to join player corps to be able to unlock I am those kind d's of ships. not quite sure you know what the word "fix" means since that idea breaks a hell of a lot of things. And now y breaks you mens stops people having risk free money. I ie mineing missions. ThT sort of crap. I While it's commendable that you've trained your cat to type for you, you'd be better understood if you wrote these yourself. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1294
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:44:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Easy fix if ur in a NPC corp you can't fly a ship that can't be trained on a trial account. I problem solved all these fighter alts., and mi ers and I rap like that would have to join player corps to be able to unlock I am those kind d's of ships. I'm generally in favor of doing things to NPC corps to encourage people to not be in them. But this idea doesn't even make sense.
See now if they made it so that members of non-school NPC corps could shoot each other in highsec while incurring sec status loss and a suspect flag like a character engaging a neutral character in lowsec I think you'd find far fewer people that are willing to be members of NPC corps for long periods of time. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
756
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:52:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Highsec Ice belongs to James 315. End of story.
Nah, went over to Halaima and there was nothing but the same old peaceful mining blobs. He would needs to step it up a couple of notches after the expansion IMHO.
yk |
Cage Man
211
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:53:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:YuuKnow wrote:No fun. That's why we need to petition CCP to make ice mining a player-corp only mechanic. yk i agree, it's no fun being able to do an underpaid activity without it costing you even more money in replacing ships because you've really got no defence in a mining ship other than don't mine or drop to an npc corp.
sure.. at the same time make it that bumping and ganking can only be done from a player corp... Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
756
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:56:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Danni stark wrote:YuuKnow wrote:No fun. That's why we need to petition CCP to make ice mining a player-corp only mechanic. yk i agree, it's no fun being able to do an underpaid activity without it costing you even more money in replacing ships because you've really got no defence in a mining ship other than don't mine or drop to an npc corp. sure.. at the same time make it that bumping and ganking can only be done from a player corp...
Seems fair enough.
yk |
Danni stark
251
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Posted - 2013.05.13 11:59:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Danni stark wrote:it's a distinct possibility that i will, but i'm long overdue to lose a mining ship anyway i guess. then again, when a retriever is so cheap, no fucks will be given if i do. As you wish. yk
congratulations on placing a bounty the only character i have that doesn't mine.
not sure if you went out of your way to find that, or you just failed horribly. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
128
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:09:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:The other big question would be...
... just how many war-decs would it take to effectively 'control' an ice system?
yk
Lots. I know ppl that would start ice mining just to get a war dec from the evil ice empire corp. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
805
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:42:00 -
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The problem I see with pvp is that there is not a lot of things to fight for those that aren't into the hot-drop warfare and supercap stuff. What interesting about the ice changes is that it will be a nice null sec conflict driver, but really won't have any impact on the non-null sec conflicts because you can't fight with NPC corps.
Thus a player has to either choose to fight for pointlessness...or ...join the hot-drop gayness that most folks agree is a borked endgame. Otherwise pvp without a point is the rule.
Might seem like a small, almost inconsequential change, but if CCP were to make the ice a player-corp only affair then I think that they would be shocked about the implications for the game for many players and what would result in terms of player engagement and dynamics.
yk
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1227
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:53:00 -
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Cool idea. Doubt CCP would ever go for it but they should consider it. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1864
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:36:00 -
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Somewhere I saw CCP say they do not want to limit what players in NPC corps can do. And even if they did: Just have everyone join a new corp, mine until the war goes hot, jump corp. The other way to do it would be for every ice miner to be in a separate one man corp. Have fun deccing them all. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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