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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:03:00 -
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I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.
There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.
And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.
For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.
Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.
In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...
The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.
Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.
Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
596
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:05:00 -
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People will always find something to whine about...
edit/not talking about OP.
/c
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:06:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.
There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.
And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.
For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.
Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.
In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...
The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.
Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.
Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.
Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
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baltec1
121
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:11:00 -
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The Apostle posts some terrible threads. This is not one of them.
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mkint
155
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:12:00 -
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Hilmar has spent the past 2+ years in a delusional state, and you expect us to feel sorry for -him-?
Yes, I feel absolutely awful for all those people. It's not a small number of people who have some awful challenges ahead of them. I've avoided commenting on this topic up to now, but to defend Hilmar?
btw: "visionary" is a garbage word. I've known some mentally ill homeless people with some great vision. A couple drops of acid or some magic mushrooms will confer some great vision. Hilmar wasn't the only founder of CCP, he's just the only one that's a big enough slimeball to be the salesman of EVE. Hilmar has over-sold, and good people, people not-hilmar, are paying the price. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
526
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:14:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job? All CEO's are given a chance at resurrection. If he doesn't sort out CCP after having that chance then on his head be it.
But while some call for him to fall on his sword, it was people like the CEO AND most of his senior staff that STARTED Eve. It's their baby, their vision...
Regardless, now is NOT the time to be proclaiming you are the fixer-of-all-things-bad...
For seniors to have to 1) admit errors for being visionary and 2) yield the axe for that vision is so, so tough.
If you knew how hard it is, you'd be silent. Very silent.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:16:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job? All CEO's are given a chance at resurrection. If he doesn't sort out CCP after having that chance then on his head be it. But while some call for him to fall on his sword, it was people like the CEO AND most of his senior staff that STARTED Eve. It's their baby, their vision... Regardless, now is NOT the time to be proclaiming you are the fixer-of-all-things-bad... For seniors to have to 1) admit errors for being visionary and 2) yield the axe for that vision is so, so tough. If you knew how hard it is, you'd be silent. Very silent.
This post strikes me as a delusional person.
Hilmar are you.....The Apostle? |
stoicfaux
302
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:17:00 -
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People are being respectful. I think most folks have realized that 20% layoffs means 99% less forum moderation, yet no one has a created a "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" thread...
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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baltec1
121
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:18:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:People are being respectful. I think most folks have realized that 20% layoffs means 99% less forum moderation, yet no one has a created a "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" thread...
We did but it didnt take off. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
526
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:18:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hilmar has spent the past 2+ years in a delusional state, and you expect us to feel sorry for -him-?
Yes, I feel absolutely awful for all those people. It's not a small number of people who have some awful challenges ahead of them. I've avoided commenting on this topic up to now, but to defend Hilmar?
btw: "visionary" is a garbage word. I've known some mentally ill homeless people with some great vision. A couple drops of acid or some magic mushrooms will confer some great vision. Hilmar wasn't the only founder of CCP, he's just the only one that's a big enough slimeball to be the salesman of EVE. Hilmar has over-sold, and good people, people not-hilmar, are paying the price. You put your credentials on the table and I'll listen further to your repeated snipes.
tbh, you may even be right, I don't know, I am not a senior executive with years of experience to draw such conclusions from.
Regardless, THIS is NOT the time... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Jigoku Tomi
Time Sync
7
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:18:00 -
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Still thinking about my response to last night's events.
It might be a WoT I'm afraid.
So TA you city based or in some shack someplace? |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
77
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:19:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
If you knew how hard it is, you'd be silent. Very silent.
Actually, some people don't seem to understand that others are born assholes. So this statement is not necessarily true. |
Janos Saal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:19:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Show some fn respect - [...] to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.
how 'bout no EVE is dead |
Kengutsi Akira
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:25:00 -
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not even trollin, this is eve respect an eve dont exactly go hand in hand What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:25:00 -
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So CCP fired 20% of its workforce and then hired The Apostle as the Forums Morals Police? |
Janos Saal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The Apostle posts some terrible threads. This is not one of them.
yes it is EVE is dead |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
684
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:25:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:People are being respectful. I think most folks have realized that 20 [percent] layoffs means 99 [percent] less forum moderation, yet no one has a created a "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" thread... Oh reallyGǪ?
Oh FFS! FORUMS!! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
299
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:26:00 -
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Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job? [/quote] I can answer if you don't understand by yourself.
- He made mistakes - He admitted that he made mistakes - He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them - He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future - He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course
Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process.
Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this. Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events.
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Reverand Pastor
Dynasty Ink.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:27:00 -
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What a terrible thread. If there were people like you we would all still think the world is flat and the earth is the center of the universe. This was a tragic error and for years we delt the brunt of it and now people who should not be held accountable are being thrown under the bus. I and others are pissed off and if you dont like that fact maybe this "sandox" game isnt right for you. On the respect note i havent read anything that has been the least bit disrespectful. Angry yes. Welcome to a FORUM |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:31:00 -
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I can assure you that I never said that management needs to be fired. There are always more creative solutions if you catch my drift.
Slade
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:31:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
I can answer if you don't understand by yourself. - He made mistakes - He admitted that he made mistakes - He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them - He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future - He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process. Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this. Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events.
You really think that he learned anything when it took him MONTHS to admit anything? The doubles down on stupid shortly after? |
Xymethian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:34:00 -
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Gas thread, ban OP. |
Janos Saal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:35:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote: Even good CEO may make mistakes
yeah thats great but were talking about hilmar EVE is dead |
Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
8
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:36:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.
There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.
And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.
For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.
Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.
In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...
The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.
Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.
Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.
Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?
Also, confirming OP is mad.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
529
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:39:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:not even trollin, this is eve respect an eve dont exactly go hand in hand It's extraordinary to think that actions IN a game has ramifications OUT of game....
If that's not true, tell that to the staff searching Positions Vacant.
So either
1) "The Protests" in Eve have caused this therefore we are much more powerful in REAL life than we know and we're using a game interface to do so!
2) This has nothing to do with "The Protests" (it's only a game) which means all commentary about RL people are void.
If 1, then some OUT of game respect, dignity and empathy for RL people must apply and we need to use the game interface to do it.
If 2, then be harsh by all means but then you can't use RL people or practices to justify the commentary.
We must either except they are mutually exclusive or they are not. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:39:00 -
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I really hope for the Apostle being a WiDot poaster (edit: in disguise). |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
118
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:40:00 -
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is this the same respect that hilmar has shown the player base over the last 2 years?
i dont wanna get the respect wrong and upset the op even more CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:44:00 -
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Most the the replies have been very respectful. I would say more than 80%. As for where the angry is directed it should be at the Hilmar. He ran the ship aground and is using the bottom 20% to stand on while people try and fix the boat. I love Eve I hope it works.
As for the Meat Floats, sorry about your jobs guys. I myself have been in the spot and it sucks. GL finding a new job and looking at some of the jobs being posted on the the forums I am sure you all can get back on your feet. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:46:00 -
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Grog Barrel wrote:I really hope for the Apostle being a WiDot poaster (edit: in disguise). We used to think he was a Riverini alt but not even Riverini would make a thread this horrible.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
25
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:46:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
Because when you axe the top management, your investors get very nervous. They put signifigant amounts of capital at risk to fund the company, and a fired CEO screams 'internal conflict' and 'hostile takeover' -- which any investor worth his salt will look at very carefully when it next comes time to pay the bills. |
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