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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:46:00 -
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Xymethian wrote:Gas thread, ban OP.
Makes me sad to be an Australian when I see bears like OP riding CCP and their :awesome"
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
529
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:48:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs. ....... Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad? Also, confirming OP is mad. That's the most un Australian thing I've heard for a long time. Check your postcode. Does it have 4 digits?
Confirming OP is angry and mad. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
532
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:52:00 -
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Jigoku Tomi wrote:Still thinking about my response to last night's events.
It might be a WoT I'm afraid.
So TA you city based or in some shack someplace? Option 3) I live in a shack in a city.
jk
Recently ex city - returned to "bush" for tree change. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
299
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:01:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
I can answer if you don't understand by yourself. - He made mistakes - He admitted that he made mistakes - He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them - He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future - He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process. Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this. Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. You really think that he learned anything when it took him MONTHS to admit anything? The doubles down on stupid shortly after? Well would you be happier if we had someone who would not admit his mistakes at all before entire corporation is dead. World is full of that kind of leaders.
I surely am not happy that CCP is in this point today and it is most certainly Hilmar's fault, but at least he goes clean with it. I was yelling loud about replacing Hilmar during the protests, but after his latest blog I finally started to have some faith to the guy again. He certainly has earned the right to "try again". I wouldn't trade him to some "fresh blood" just to watch rerun of same mistakes what have been made in past few years.
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Jaiimez Skor
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:02:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
I can answer if you don't understand by yourself. - He made mistakes - He admitted that he made mistakes - He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them - He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future - He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process. Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this. Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. Every worker you fire you fire because of your own mistakes. That really makes you think what being humble means.
I believe also the nature of how CCP is ran it is not a publically owned company, that means there is no board of directors, it means Hilmar is the boss, there is nobody who can fire him, he is the head of the company, there is no board of directors to vote him outta the job, the only way he can lose it is if #1 he quits due to pressure from the community or staffing, or #2 his company goes to hell because everybody leaves in protest or it isn't making money.
I also do not believe Hilmar deserves to be sacked, he has screwed up he knows that, I do not believe that CCP are only after fattening their wallets unlike what alot of people say I do believe they are trying to make more money, but they're a business that's what businesses do, but I also believe the extra money will be reinvested into EvE as well as their other projects.
Although on a different note, i'm slightly confused, how is realising you're stretched too thin and trying to do too much with not enough people mean you have to reduce staff numbers, surely if you don't have enough people, the best thing is to employ more, the only reason you'd lay people off if there are finanacial concerns and you cannot afford to employ more staff to make up for the extra hours needed to not be stretched thing, or you are concerned that the company has become too large too fast, and it is part of the reason for the lack of communication and other issues and wish to downsize and get the company back to how it previously was.
Knowing CCP I wouldn't be suprised if it is in an attempt to fix their communication issues and get back to being that close friendly developers that we all love, rather than becoming so large they have to become too corporate and cold to the community to avoid any issues with communication. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
118
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:05:00 -
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Jaiimez Skor wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
I can answer if you don't understand by yourself. - He made mistakes - He admitted that he made mistakes - He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them - He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future - He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process. Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this. Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. Every worker you fire you fire because of your own mistakes. That really makes you think what being humble means. I believe also the nature of how CCP is ran it is not a publically owned company, that means there is no board of directors, it means Hilmar is the boss, there is nobody who can fire him, he is the head of the company, there is no board of directors to vote him outta the job, the only way he can lose it is if #1 he quits due to pressure from the community or staffing, or #2 his company goes to hell because everybody leaves in protest or it isn't making money. I also do not believe Hilmar deserves to be sacked, he has screwed up he knows that, I do not believe that CCP are only after fattening their wallets unlike what alot of people say I do believe they are trying to make more money, but they're a business that's what businesses do, but I also believe the extra money will be reinvested into EvE as well as their other projects. Although on a different note, i'm slightly confused, how is realising you're stretched too thin and trying to do too much with not enough people mean you have to reduce staff numbers, surely if you don't have enough people, the best thing is to employ more, the only reason you'd lay people off if there are finanacial concerns and you cannot afford to employ more staff to make up for the extra hours needed to not be stretched thing, or you are concerned that the company has become too large too fast, and it is part of the reason for the lack of communication and other issues and wish to downsize and get the company back to how it previously was. Knowing CCP I wouldn't be suprised if it is in an attempt to fix their communication issues and get back to being that close friendly developers that we all love, rather than becoming so large they have to become too corporate and cold to the community to avoid any issues with communication.
hilmar is that you?
he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:07:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:
hilmar is that you?
he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer
More like showing the customer the beer then smashing it on the ground in front of them. Then tell them to lick it up while dodging shards of glass. |
Barakkus
852
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:09:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote: he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer
While I don't like the list of who they laid off, some of them were my fav CCP personalities, I would like to know how you would get anything actually coded and produced with just community reps...
The PR people are always the first to go in these situations, unfortunately those positions are expendable. It REALLY sucks, but you're not going to get any 3D modeling or coding out of a PR person, no matter how much you try, unless they are actually developers as well...I'm pretty sure most of the people on the list so far are not actual grunt developers.
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Reverand Pastor
Dynasty Ink.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:12:00 -
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The people laid off is a big concern. Community Devs and Mods have been axed. The people who are the link between ccp and player base. This is while touting new interaction between us and the company. so strange. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
50
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:12:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote: he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer
While I don't like the list of who they laid off, some of them were my fav CCP personalities, I would like to know how you would get anything actually coded and produced with just community reps... The PR people are always the first to go in these situations, unfortunately those positions are expendable. It REALLY sucks, but you're not going to get any 3D modeling or coding out of a PR person, no matter how much you try, unless they are actually developers as well...I'm pretty sure most of the people on the list so far are not actual grunt developers.
Have EPIC amounts of terrible PR.
KILL YOUR PR TEAM
MAKES PERFECT SENSE. |
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Dessau
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:12:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:And for mine, the dicks need to be belted...
Interesting username. A true believer, a loyal follower. The perfect sort of sheep to pad Hilmar's wallet for the outstanding state or affairs in this game.
No thanks. I'll save my respect for when someone earns it.
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Generals4
183
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:17:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:
You really think that he learned anything when it took him MONTHS to admit anything? The doubles down on stupid shortly after?
To his defence at least he admitted he made a mistake and actually corrected it. Many CEO's nowadays admit they made a mistake but continue following said path. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:21:00 -
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This, by far, is the worst community of people I've ever seen in any game.
Being fine with people being laid off for spurious reasons? Reality check |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
299
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:24:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: Have EPIC amounts of terrible PR. KILL YOUR PR TEAM MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
Do you know the reasoning behind PR employee lay-offs? I certainly don't.
It might as well be because new goal is to offer more direct discussion between the community and developers making certain PR roles obsolete. However it pointless to speculate or judge without any of the basic information needed to the task.
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Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
8
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:24:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs. ....... Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad? Also, confirming OP is mad. That's the most un Australian thing I've heard for a long time. Check your postcode. Does it have 4 digits? Confirming OP is angry and mad.
You don't get out much, do you?
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:26:00 -
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Are we talking about he guy who, more or less, said: 'Ignore what our customers are saying'. |
Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:27:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:This, by far, is the worst community of people I've ever seen in any game.
Being fine with people being laid off for spurious reasons? Reality check
Not sure where you are reading bad stuff enough to say its the "worst community". As I said earlier most posts have been very nice.
Although, had a community leader died in RL or anyone else for that matter, all hell would have broken loose. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:29:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:Are we talking about he guy who, more or less, said: 'Ignore what our customers are saying'.
In some cases, autism can be cured...they said. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
300
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:31:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:This, by far, is the worst community of people I've ever seen in any game.
Being fine with people being laid off for spurious reasons? Reality check I don't think anyone is "fine" about lay-offs in here.
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
118
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:35:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:This, by far, is the worst community of people I've ever seen in any game.
Being fine with people being laid off for spurious reasons? Reality check I don't think anyone is "fine" about lay-offs in here.
true, i think most just want hilmar to be the one fired. to the ones that did loose there jobs, for what its worth, GL with what ever comes next CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
537
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs. ....... Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad? Also, confirming OP is mad. That's the most un Australian thing I've heard for a long time. Check your postcode. Does it have 4 digits? Confirming OP is angry and mad. You don't get out much, do you? Here's a funny thing Aussie - and this is coming from a bloke that rode broncos in the bush, was a roo-shooter, chased dingo bounties, ran fishing charters in wild seas and owned several businesses in and out of the cities. I am, for all intents and purposes, semi-retired from my own exploits.
I came from an era where, after you belted a bloke, you hauled him up afterwards, dusted him off and bought him a beer. The very same ethos often used in Eve by posting 'gf' in local as a mark of respect.
There are some 'Aussies' these days that go around in gangs, beat up innocents and kick them while they're down. Yep, that still happens in Eve but they STILL post 'gf' in local.
You, of all people, have got the steelcaps on, slamming me on **** you know nothing about and you dare to call me un Australian.
I'd bet my Austrian kangaroo to your silk pyjamas in mum's house that you never got out much mate.
Fair crack son, fair crack. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Chained Reactions
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:49:00 -
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I can feel that the community as a whole is upset. Therefore I have formulated an action plan to fix this.
Step one: Get really really mad. Step two: Create an alt for trolling the forums. Step three: Cancel all your alt accounts, if you don't have any simply claim you cancelled alts anyway Step four: Rally like-minded community members to go to Jita to shoot a statue. Step five: Create a long winded rant about how the game and CCP have gone to **** and post it on the forums. Step six: Attack and verbally abuse anyone who disagrees with you. Step seven: Get banned for voicing "your opinion" (read: being an *******). Step eight: Create yet another alt as a sockpuppet who rallies to your defense because CCP clearly is going on a witch hunt and trying to silence dissent by banning you. Step nine: Repeat steps 1-8 until victory is achieved Step ten: Celebrate your inevitable victory when CCP comes out and says that the community will be appeased and EVE will be saved.
Hey it worked for Incarna.
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Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
8
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:50:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs. ....... Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad? Also, confirming OP is mad. That's the most un Australian thing I've heard for a long time. Check your postcode. Does it have 4 digits? Confirming OP is angry and mad. You don't get out much, do you? Here's a funny thing Aussie - and this is coming from a bloke that rode broncos in the bush, was a roo-shooter, chased dingo bounties, ran fishing charters in wild seas and owned several businesses in and out of the cities. I am, for all intents and purposes, semi-retired from my own exploits. I came from an era where, after you belted a bloke, you hauled him up afterwards, dusted him off and bought him a beer. The very same ethos often used in Eve by posting 'gf' in local as a mark of respect. There are some 'Aussies' these days that go around in gangs, beat up innocents and kick them while they're down. Yep, that still happens in Eve but they STILL post 'gf' in local. You, of all people, have got the steelcaps on, slamming me on **** you know nothing about and you dare to call me un Australian. I'd bet my Austrian kangaroo to your silk pyjamas in mum's house that you never got out much mate. Fair crack son, fair crack.
I will now refer to my original statement.
Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
537
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:01:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:Fair crack son, fair crack. I will now refer to my original statement. Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?
I will also refer to my original statement.
Quote:There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.
And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are. Quid Pro Quo Aussie...
Besides, the topic isn't about which Aussie is the best type. My reference to Australia was to explain why it was "morning" when I made OP. Not so we could play spot the wombat.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:04:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:... The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. .... Bernie Ebbers and Ken Lay both gave you 10/10 for that bit. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:08:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Here's a funny thing Aussie - and this is coming from a bloke that rode broncos in the bush, was a roo-shooter, chased dingo bounties, ran fishing charters in wild seas and owned several businesses in and out of the cities. I am, for all intents and purposes, semi-retired from my own exploits. Holy **** The Apostle is Crocodile Dundee.
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
88
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:10:00 -
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Ummm, I'm Australian and I agree with OP and I don't think he's making us look bad. I happen to believe any Aussie who disagrees with him would be making us Aussies look bad.
The "cool" thing to do would be disagree with OP. I bet you can't stand up and say something without first checking with all your "cool" friends to make sure it doesn't make you look bad. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
392
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:14:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.
There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.
And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.
For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.
Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.
In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...
The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.
Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.
Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.
I don't usually think very highly of guys in hoods, but I'm going to give you props on this one.
And don't forget that I'll be voting for you come the CSM elections. Make me proud, Apostle.
Mr Epeen
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
538
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:19:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:The Apostle wrote:Here's a funny thing Aussie - and this is coming from a bloke that rode broncos in the bush, was a roo-shooter, chased dingo bounties, ran fishing charters in wild seas and owned several businesses in and out of the cities. I am, for all intents and purposes, semi-retired from my own exploits. Holy **** The Apostle is Crocodile Dundee. Nicest thing you ever said Skunk. I'm touched. Unless ofc you know that the hardest job Croc Dundee (Paul Hogan) ever did was paint the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
(If you really wanted to insult me you woulda called me Steve Irwin. )
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
538
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:25:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Ummm, I'm Australian and I agree with OP and I don't think he's making us look bad. I happen to believe any Aussie who disagrees with him would be making us Aussies look bad.
The "cool" thing to do would be disagree with OP. I bet you can't stand up and say something without first checking with all your "cool" friends to make sure it doesn't make you look bad. He's welcome to disagree but there was no need to get personal.
I hate that "you're a moron" game, even though I can be really good at it myself when pushed. Although it's sad, because sneaky and slippery retorts are usually wasted on "THAT" kind of poster Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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