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Joneleth Rein
Delta vane Corp. Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:29:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Joneleth Rein wrote:Right. Because it really does wonders for companies to focus on one thing and one game alone. Specially for game developing studios in this economy
Let me ask you this.
Would you feel bad if part of the revenue that Dust or WoD would produce was also given for Eve?
Did the thought cross anyone's mind? Its a matter of fact that the porked over EvE in favor of the other projects. No one had a problem with them working on new things but you cant do it while screwing over the existing product. Which is what they did, they wasted years of development on crappy incarna with jack all to show for it. While old bugs, Content and problems were ignored.
Which eventually will benefit CCP and Eve because obviously they do need to pay their bills and look at the future and they can't just sit on their butts. I don't like pulling random numbers out of my head but what if it wasn't cutting it? Would you rather lose EVE than just wait 1 more year for them to actually finish? And actually, looking back at the history I have never seen a more quickly evolving and improving game and tbh I'm starting to get the feeling it's spoiled people a little too much. Things don't just happen. Priorities aren't always what we want them to be and someone else's plan might be looking far more ahead than ours.
I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm new to the game that I still hold some romantic value over it and CCP. Maybe i'll become a bitter vet in a couple years (doubt it).
And from my point of view they have a lot of things to show for it and they'r just a preview still. 2 years to develop the infrastructure engine to handle two different aspects of the same universe while in the meantime having to tackle the complexities both at a macro and micro level of a sandbox game. That enough should bring fear to anyone who has 1)coded for a project this size 2)has actually participated in a design process.
But my point isn't to back CCP up. Just hold your horses with the pitchforks and the torches and think about who's house you'll be setting on fire. Collateral isn't always manageable and sometimes it turns up to be the wrong house.
Peace out
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:36:00 -
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Buruk Utama wrote: Lets look at Skyrim v. WoD. WoD started development in 2007, Skyrim started development in 2008 after fallout. Bethseda built an entire new engine, AI, graphics input, etc like CCP has tried to do with WoD. Skyrim launches in a few weeks as one of the best RPG of all time...WoD created a fraken room! I'm sorta pissy by this entire development and believe the entire mess lies at the foot of CEO and upper management in the attitude they took towards the players and are now trying to blame all for these woes but those responsible, themselves.
I'm sorry but I don't see his letter as anything but an attempt to stem the blood flow. The game may be mortally wounded at this point and he still thinks he didn't do anything wrong. Look at the latest PI changes that are coming out and the many many things wrong with the implementation (not the change itself, but implementation and secondary affects which were apparently never thought about). CCP. Remember his words: Watch what they do, not what they say. So far CCP likes to say many things but everything regarding eve development currently is solely related to DUST integration and gearing up micro transactions to use plex sales as a replacement to sub numbers.
RougeOperator wrote:I have a hard time respecting a company that puts out a grovelling letter of apology just a bit before sacking a lot of people before the Holidays.
Hilmar elevated from simply idiotic megalomania to scum.
I agree,
It looks like CCP/Eve is falling down further into the Rabbit Hole, probably landing in Never Never Land. (DUST, WoD, NEX, etc.)
One thing is for sure, we're not in Kansas anymore. (Rushed content released, Bad coding, Forum censorship, etc)
One simple fact of life - a wounded animal always bellows just before it dies. (The Infamous Letter, Non-formative Dev Blogs, Company rollback, etc.)
When a Company is trying to repair public relations with a disgruntled and upset Community showing a declining subscription rate, the last thing needed is to remove the Liaison (GM's) between the Company and the Customer. Doing so only amplifies the community's perception of distrust and low estimation towards the company.
A better approach might have been to reduce wages or cut back working overtime hours instead of laying-off or terminating employees. Of course, if CCP/Eve is indeed a sinking ship - then the rats are always first to leave while the Captain (Hilmar) goes down with the ship.
Hopefully I'm wrong. I'm just tired of all this stuff, starting to wish I had never even heard of Eve. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:46:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I have a hard time respecting a company that puts out a grovelling letter of apology just a bit before sacking a lot of people before the Holidays.
Hilmar elevated from simply idiotic megalomania to scum. I missed this post. Probably because I might have skipped the poster rather than the subject
But hey, Hellmar apologized to YOU, the player and stated that "he's on it"....
He acts, rationalizes, as CEO's have to do, to get Eve back on track, which YOU demanded, and he apologized for.
So he was nothing more than "a simple idiotic meglomaniac" and has now become "scum"?
I don't get it.
YOU guys ASKED for this.
Though I s'pose now you're going to tell me that he didn't sack who YOU wanted sacked. And of course, you're the CEO of CCP and had to make the choices yourself?
Maybe he should have given you a list of employees and YOU could work out who goes/who stays. It's easy. Really is.
Eenie Meenie, Minie Mo.......
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
70
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:49:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I have a hard time respecting a company that puts out a grovelling letter of apology just a bit before sacking a lot of people before the Holidays.
Hilmar elevated from simply idiotic megalomania to scum. I missed this post. Probably because I might have skipped the poster rather than the subject But hey, Hellmar apologized to YOU, the player and stated that "he's on it".... He acts, rationalizes, as CEO's have to do, to get Eve back on track, which YOU demanded, and he apologized for. So he was nothing more than "a simple idiotic meglomaniac" and has now become "scum"? I don't get it. YOU guys ASKED for this. Though I s'pose now you're going to tell me that he didn't sack who YOU wanted sacked. And of course, you're the CEO of CCP and had to make the choices yourself? Maybe he should have given you a list of employees and YOU could work out who goes/who stays. It's easy. Really is. Eenie Meenie, Minie Mo.......
Way to project and put words in peoples mouths dude.
This isnt what we asked for. Most of us have no problem with the sacking of WoD devs. Thats a fair call. We have issue with the sacking of the community teams. Which flys in the face of what we want.
I mean seriously are you freaking hilmar or what? Or is he your lover or something?
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Deucalion Ex Mortis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:52:00 -
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Thank You Apostle
+1
You have my vote sir!
Please keep it up.
As for CCP employees past and present. Thank you for making/help make the greatest game around. Even with its faults eve is the best. I hope CCP can weather the storm. I look forward to Dusk, WoD and many more CCP games in the future. CCP is the best hope we have to bringing an end to the stagnation in the MMO industry. Be bold pilot!
For the employees that lost there jobs today. I wish you and your families the best. Thank you for all you have done for the community, the industry, and the game. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
70
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:53:00 -
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Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:Thank You Apostle
+1
You have my vote sir!
Please keep it up.
As for CCP employees past and present. Thank you for making/help make the greatest game around. Even with its faults eve is the best. I hope CCP can weather the storm. I look forward to Dusk, WoD and many more CCP games in the future. CCP is the best hope we have to bringing an end to the stagnation in the MMO industry. Be bold pilot!
For the employees that lost there jobs today. I wish you and your families the best. Thank you for all you have done for the community, the industry, and the game.
The Apostles Alts come into play.
Cute. |
Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:55:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: He's welcome to disagree but there was no need to get personal.
I seem to have missed the part where I got personal.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
552
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:59:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote: He's welcome to disagree but there was no need to get personal.
I seem to have missed the part where I got personal. [this space left intentionally blank]
Hang 5 mate. I'll go get the post.
Aha..... Here we go... Post #24
Mallak Azaria wrote:Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?
Also, confirming OP is mad. k. We done here? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
72
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:01:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote: He's welcome to disagree but there was no need to get personal.
I seem to have missed the part where I got personal. [this space left intentionally blank] Hang 5 mate. I'll go get the post.
You are a sad sad person.
That personal enough?
I know its accurate and all. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
552
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:05:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:Thank You Apostle
+1
You have my vote sir!
Please keep it up.
As for CCP employees past and present. Thank you for making/help make the greatest game around. Even with its faults eve is the best. I hope CCP can weather the storm. I look forward to Dusk, WoD and many more CCP games in the future. CCP is the best hope we have to bringing an end to the stagnation in the MMO industry. Be bold pilot!
For the employees that lost there jobs today. I wish you and your families the best. Thank you for all you have done for the community, the industry, and the game. The Apostles Alts come into play. Cute. tch tch. The Fools Cubbyhouse. Make it personal.
Psst... I have a total of 15 chars to call on. I could. I don't. I can be foolish and stupid all by myself. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:14:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Deucalion Ex Mortis wrote:Thank You Apostle
+1
You have my vote sir!
Please keep it up.
As for CCP employees past and present. Thank you for making/help make the greatest game around. Even with its faults eve is the best. I hope CCP can weather the storm. I look forward to Dusk, WoD and many more CCP games in the future. CCP is the best hope we have to bringing an end to the stagnation in the MMO industry. Be bold pilot!
For the employees that lost there jobs today. I wish you and your families the best. Thank you for all you have done for the community, the industry, and the game. The Apostles Alts come into play. Cute. tch tch. The Fools Cubbyhouse. Make it personal. Psst... I have a total of 15 chars to call on. I could. I don't. I can be foolish and stupid all by myself.
Explains with clarity how you have so many likes. LOL.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
562
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:21:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: Explains with clarity how you have so many likes. LOL.
C'mon mate. Go have a cuppa and a lie down. You're starting to look a bit silly. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:25:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Explains with clarity how you have so many likes. LOL.
C'mon mate. Go have a cuppa and a lie down. You're starting to look a bit silly.
You've been at this for over 6 hours straight. Go to bed and we'll continue in the morning. |
Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:34:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote: He's welcome to disagree but there was no need to get personal.
I seem to have missed the part where I got personal. [this space left intentionally blank] Hang 5 mate. I'll go get the post. Aha..... Here we go... Post #24 Mallak Azaria wrote:Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?
Also, confirming OP is mad. k. We done here?
How on earth did you manage to take that personally? That's very un-Australian of you.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
577
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:38:00 -
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Buruk Utama wrote:The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Explains with clarity how you have so many likes. LOL.
C'mon mate. Go have a cuppa and a lie down. You're starting to look a bit silly. You've been at this for over 6 hours straight. Go to bed and we'll continue in the morning. Hey man. It's 2.00 in the afternoon here Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:38:00 -
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Jaiimez Skor wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson. Still has a job?
I can answer if you don't understand by yourself. - He made mistakes - He admitted that he made mistakes - He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them - He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future - He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process. Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this. Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. Every worker you fire you fire because of your own mistakes. That really makes you think what being humble means. I believe also the nature of how CCP is ran it is not a publically owned company, that means there is no board of directors, it means Hilmar is the boss, there is nobody who can fire him, he is the head of the company, there is no board of directors to vote him outta the job, the only way he can lose it is if #1 he quits due to pressure from the community or staffing, or #2 his company goes to hell because everybody leaves in protest or it isn't making money. I also do not believe Hilmar deserves to be sacked, he has screwed up he knows that, I do not believe that CCP are only after fattening their wallets unlike what alot of people say I do believe they are trying to make more money, but they're a business that's what businesses do, but I also believe the extra money will be reinvested into EvE as well as their other projects. Although on a different note, i'm slightly confused, how is realising you're stretched too thin and trying to do too much with not enough people mean you have to reduce staff numbers, surely if you don't have enough people, the best thing is to employ more, the only reason you'd lay people off if there are finanacial concerns and you cannot afford to employ more staff to make up for the extra hours needed to not be stretched thing, or you are concerned that the company has become too large too fast, and it is part of the reason for the lack of communication and other issues and wish to downsize and get the company back to how it previously was. Knowing CCP I wouldn't be suprised if it is in an attempt to fix their communication issues and get back to being that close friendly developers that we all love, rather than becoming so large they have to become too corporate and cold to the community to avoid any issues with communication. CCP is run by a board consisting of 7 people: Vilhj+ílmur +Porsteinsson (chairman), Birgir M+ír Ragnarsson, David Fialkow, Sigur+¦ur +ôlafsson, Stephen Wieck, Reynir Har+¦arson and deputy board members: Reynir Har+¦arson and Isaac Kato Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
577
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:41:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote: He's welcome to disagree but there was no need to get personal.
I seem to have missed the part where I got personal. [this space left intentionally blank] Hang 5 mate. I'll go get the post. Aha..... Here we go... Post #24 Mallak Azaria wrote:Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?
Also, confirming OP is mad. k. We done here? How on earth did you manage to take that personally? That's very un-Australian of you. If you meant it to be Australian v Australian you'd have simply called me a mongrel bastard.
But hey, whatever. Grab a beer cobber and celebrate the fact that it's Thursday. Any excuse yeah? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
246
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:43:00 -
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To the people wanting to knock Hilmar down, i ask you this:
Did you like EVE before Incarnia?
If yes, then he is responsible for 1 (apparent) error.
If not, why are you still here? Do you like playing games you don't like?
Incarnia bought in SM 3. THAT is what taxed video cards. And since SM 3 has been out for about a decade, if you got a burnt out video card then it was a golden opportunity to buy a new one hey?
Also, personally i love it how people QQ all day long about bugs in EVE and coding methods used, but QQ even more when CCP spend time fixing it...
Not lets face reality here for a minute. The GFC that has been going on for the past 3 years is still happening. There are not many places where it's not affecting anyone. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
577
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:46:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:CCP is run by a board consisting of 7 people: Vilhj+ílmur +Porsteinsson (chairman), Birgir M+ír Ragnarsson, David Fialkow, Sigur+¦ur +ôlafsson, Stephen Wieck, Reynir Har+¦arson and deputy board members: Reynir Har+¦arson and Isaac Kato And the decision/s needed for restructure and refocus would have been made at a boards' request or at the very least, the boards' full approval.
Thx for that info. +1 Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:49:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:If you meant it to be Australian v Australian you'd have simply called me a mongrel bastard. But hey, whatever. Grab a beer cobber and celebrate the fact that it's Thursday. Any excuse yeah?
Being Australian doesn't make me a bogan, but I'll take the beer since I'm on leave :D
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Jalapeno Life Preserver
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:50:00 -
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Headerman wrote:To the people wanting to knock Hilmar down, i ask you this:
Did you like EVE before Incarnia?
If yes, then he is responsible for 1 (apparent) error.
If not, why are you still here? Do you like playing games you don't like?
Incarnia bought in SM 3. THAT is what taxed video cards. And since SM 3 has been out for about a decade, if you got a burnt out video card then it was a golden opportunity to buy a new one hey?
Also, personally i love it how people QQ all day long about bugs in EVE and coding methods used, but QQ even more when CCP spend time fixing it...
Not lets face reality here for a minute. The GFC that has been going on for the past 3 years is still happening. There are not many places where it's not affecting anyone.
I had a week old, new, updated computer before Incarna. In high settings it fries eggs. I can run it in low setting but this suggests that something is wrong to me. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
246
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:If you meant it to be Australian v Australian you'd have simply called me a mongrel bastard. But hey, whatever. Grab a beer cobber and celebrate the fact that it's Thursday. Any excuse yeah? Being Australian doesn't make me a bogan, but I'll take the beer since I'm on leave :D
Ha i got a beer in hand and i am at work in the office :-+P
Still, i would rather be on leave.... [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
579
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:54:00 -
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Jalapeno Life Preserver wrote:Headerman wrote:To the people wanting to knock Hilmar down, i ask you this:
Did you like EVE before Incarnia?
If yes, then he is responsible for 1 (apparent) error.
If not, why are you still here? Do you like playing games you don't like?
Incarnia bought in SM 3. THAT is what taxed video cards. And since SM 3 has been out for about a decade, if you got a burnt out video card then it was a golden opportunity to buy a new one hey?
Also, personally i love it how people QQ all day long about bugs in EVE and coding methods used, but QQ even more when CCP spend time fixing it...
Not lets face reality here for a minute. The GFC that has been going on for the past 3 years is still happening. There are not many places where it's not affecting anyone. I had a week old, new, updated computer before Incarna. In high settings it fries eggs. I can run it in low setting but this suggests that something is wrong to me. It's odd that I'm running a system at least 5 years old and never had the problem. I did running multiple accounts but that's unrealistic anyway.
Is being "new" a cause? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
2
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:54:00 -
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Sorry no, no respect to those that didnt show it to us on the first place. Your apologetic ways and background info story only serves to entrench you on one side of the fence, that is all. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
579
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:55:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:If you meant it to be Australian v Australian you'd have simply called me a mongrel bastard. But hey, whatever. Grab a beer cobber and celebrate the fact that it's Thursday. Any excuse yeah? Being Australian doesn't make me a bogan, but I'll take the beer since I'm on leave :D Ha i got a beer in hand and i am at work in the office :-+P Still, i would rather be on leave.... I wanna know where you work? You sound a bit like Kev from Swift and Shift..... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:56:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:If you meant it to be Australian v Australian you'd have simply called me a mongrel bastard. But hey, whatever. Grab a beer cobber and celebrate the fact that it's Thursday. Any excuse yeah? Being Australian doesn't make me a bogan, but I'll take the beer since I'm on leave :D Ha i got a beer in hand and i am at work in the office :-+P Still, i would rather be on leave....
My job doesn't allow for that, but the pay is worth the inconvenience.
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
246
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:58:00 -
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I would tell you all where i worked, but you'd probably email the boss and rat me out... -.- [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Demon Azrakel
Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
43
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:58:00 -
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Reverand Pastor wrote:The people laid off is a big concern. Community Devs and Mods have been axed. The people who are the link between ccp and player base. This is while touting new interaction between us and the company. so strange.
qft |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
581
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:59:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Headerman wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The Apostle wrote:If you meant it to be Australian v Australian you'd have simply called me a mongrel bastard. But hey, whatever. Grab a beer cobber and celebrate the fact that it's Thursday. Any excuse yeah? Being Australian doesn't make me a bogan, but I'll take the beer since I'm on leave :D Ha i got a beer in hand and i am at work in the office :-+P Still, i would rather be on leave.... My job doesn't allow for that, but the pay is worth the inconvenience. I did suggest you were a minor earlier. Maybe I shoulda said miner
If so, betcha you don't drive a Hulk when you're home. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:22:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:If so, betcha you don't drive a Hulk when you're home.
Good guess. I actually spend most of my time at home riding the forums.
Does it show?
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