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Tetsel
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:05:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote: It is not THAT easy. Believe me, I have tried. The first NEO had a 20 PLEX minimum price tag on it, which is difficult to sell to your members "just to get blown up by PL once in round 1". The SCL is great, but they do have a very limited number of slots. And many of the teams competing there are also composed of some of the big alliances that happen to be the home of quite some of the finest pilots in the New Eden Cluster. And the FF tourneys... I might also have tried these, but then.. suddenly... no more tickets. So in fact, for a smaller team without infinite budget, the Alliance Tournament is the only viable opportunity to get into that type of competitive sports environment.
AT also have PLEX entry fees and even auctions... So if you can't afford NEO.. hum well... Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. Heretic Army's "Adult Movie" Star.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
5857
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:10:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:When will we find out how/when to enter the alliance in the tournament? With the Odyssey rebalence and new ship additions when will we find out the point worth of each ship? Also, how many points will we be allowed for the group play and then for the rest of the tournament? In other words, can you make a devblog with all the important stuff please?
It's being written now. We wanted to get the call for commentators out asap because that process takes time and commentators and teams will need to block the days in their schedule. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
24
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:15:00 -
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Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog. |
Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:17:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Should I even bother petitioning ? It sounds like you designed this rules change (with no warning) specifically to keep me from flying on the team I've been captain of in 10 previous CCP tournaments.
Yes it is worth it, I'm hoping CCP are dealing with this on a case by case basis and being sensible unlike last year.
Would be a shame not to see you and your team in the AT
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Green Gambit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:17:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:with wanting to continue using the the character people associate the most with my teams
Sorry - are you an alliance? I can name the alliances that won the _ALLIANCE_ tournament in the past... Don't recall any individual players winning the _ALLIANCE_ tournament.
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:I have good characters in Dystopia, not sure why you seem to think all my good ones are elsewhere
Because it's been suggested that you *must* have this character in Dystopia to take part in AT. If you have good characters in there already you don't have a problem.
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:so one doesn't always use the same one for every match
So you're going to use other characters anyway. So again you have no problem.
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:doesn't mean I should be forced to use one of them over this one.
Previously CCP gave you advance notice so people could move their chars around, they didn't give any warning that they were going to be dicks about it this time,
Actually yes you are being forced to use another - because you know - that's now the rules. Funnily enough I suspect none of the other 500,000 active subs were informed about the rule changes in advance either.
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: which will affect a great many teams, most of which are actually worth having in the tournament.
Actually if all these players have the same attitude, and sense of entitlement that you have, then to be honest, I think the tournament will be all the better for it.
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Ais Hellia
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
2
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:18:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Shadoo wrote:Well, this *IS* supposed to be the Alliance Tournament -- and as such, giving no notice and excluding the old "AT-only Alliance" crowd to be honest shouldn't be such a big deal today.
It USED to be a big deal because AT was the only competitive esport around for EVE -- but with NEO, SCL and FF Tourneys already on the roster, isn't it about time the Alliance Tournament once again became about, you know, alliances we know from EVE TQ competing against each others and less about ~12 man real life friends who make up an alliance for the tournament that exists 2 months of the year?
NEO has brilliant price pool and format to help the informal friends compete and OWN, SCL has started up really strong and SCL3 was a massively competitive and entertaining format of the same. And btw, it runs every month. It is not THAT easy. Believe me, I have tried. The first NEO had a 20 PLEX minimum price tag on it, which is difficult to sell to your members "just to get blown up by PL once in round 1". The SCL is great, but they do have a very limited number of slots. And many of the teams competing there are also composed of some of the big alliances that happen to be the home of quite some of the finest pilots in the New Eden Cluster. And the FF tourneys... I might also have tried these, but then.. suddenly... no more tickets. So in fact, for a smaller team without infinite budget, the Alliance Tournament is the only viable opportunity to get into that type of competitive sports environment.
seems like u are getting it all wrong
As mentioned above AT has also entry fee and more teams willing to compete than NEO, so it's much harder to get in not saying that you have to get more ppl for practices for 12vs12 matches than for 8vs8
SCL slots are distributed on first come first served basis, you just have to ask, and you don't need any budget so it's the best choice for a small new team as the AT is kind of worst
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nonsciolist
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:18:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.
It's already been discussed and explained several times already. CCP wants players to represent the alliance they are members of, not makeshift alliances created specifically to form a team for the alliance tournament. |
Green Gambit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:20:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.
Because CCP want the AT to be comprised of the pilots who are normally part of an alliance.
Rather than having lots of shuffling around of characters, just to make-up "perfect" AT teams.
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CoiledVipers
Calamitous-Intent
10
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:24:00 -
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nonsciolist wrote:Jaangel wrote:Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog. It's already been discussed and explained several times already. CCP wants players to represent the alliance they are members of, not makeshift alliances created specifically to form a team for the alliance tournament.
Then why couldn't they have made the rule something like 'You need to have been a member of your alliance for 6 months to be eligible' and told us 6 months and a week ago ? |
nonsciolist
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:33:00 -
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CoiledVipers wrote:nonsciolist wrote:Jaangel wrote:Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog. It's already been discussed and explained several times already. CCP wants players to represent the alliance they are members of, not makeshift alliances created specifically to form a team for the alliance tournament. Then why couldn't they have made the rule something like 'You need to have been a member of your alliance for 6 months to be eligible' and told us 6 months and a week ago ?
Because people do actually change corp/alliance from time to time, if they'd done that it'd exclude far more people who wanted to take part, including those who wanted to compete for the alliance they're members of. |
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Khar Velsox
1
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:36:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:
No that's what the New Eden Open is for - assembling the best team.
The Alliance Tournament is about proving which _alliance_ is best at PvP... (hint the clue is in the name - "Alliance Tournament")
NEO was so serious they haven't even paid the prizes. |
CoiledVipers
Calamitous-Intent
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:39:00 -
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But at least those people would have been making a decision between being eligible or switching corps/alliances. Nobody would have been excluded without knowing what was going on. This method just screws over people who had no idea that this rules was going to be implemented. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:42:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:you don't have a problem. Yes I do, your often repeated opinion that I don't have a problem is incorrect. (Obsessed much?) CCP Fozzie even acknowledged it in his reply to me that they immediately thought of how it would affect me personally when they were making this rules change.
Green Gambit wrote: Actually if all these players have the same attitude, and sense of entitlement that you have, then to be honest, I think the tournament will be all the better for it.
That's just your ignorant and very biased opinion, sounds like you haven't even seen one of these before ? Tourneys in the past have almost always been better for having my teams competing, same with other tournament veterans who will be excluded by this rule like DHB Wildcat. |
Bagehi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
170
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:45:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:with wanting to continue using the the character people associate the most with my teams Sorry - are you an alliance? I can name the alliances that won the _ALLIANCE_ tournament in the past... Don't recall any individual players winning the _ALLIANCE_ tournament.
I really can't imagine CCP having a problem with letting Tyrrax put his main back in Dystopia so he can field a battle badger. They don't want A & B teams because events like the final match in AT IX are stupid and unsporting. I doubt they are afraid that Dystopia is somehow PL's B-team. |
nonsciolist
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:50:00 -
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CoiledVipers wrote:nonsciolist wrote:
Because people do actually change corp/alliance from time to time, if they'd done that it'd exclude far more people who wanted to take part, including those who wanted to compete for the alliance they're members of.
But at least those people would have been making a decision between being eligible or switching corps/alliances. Nobody would have been excluded without knowing what was going on. This method just screws over people who had no idea that this rule was going to be implemented.
But that would defeat the entire point of the rule?
The idea is that people aren't make a decision to join an alliance based on alliance tournament eligibility.
(unless that alliance is actually your "home alliance", in which case they'll consider allowing it if you submit a petition) |
CoiledVipers
Calamitous-Intent
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:02:00 -
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nonsciolist wrote:CoiledVipers wrote:nonsciolist wrote:
Because people do actually change corp/alliance from time to time, if they'd done that it'd exclude far more people who wanted to take part, including those who wanted to compete for the alliance they're members of.
But at least those people would have been making a decision between being eligible or switching corps/alliances. Nobody would have been excluded without knowing what was going on. This method just screws over people who had no idea that this rule was going to be implemented. But that would defeat the entire point of the rule? The idea is that people aren't make a decision to join an alliance based on alliance tournament eligibility. (unless that alliance is actually your "home alliance", in which case they'll consider allowing it if you submit a petition)
Are you being intentionally dense? A lot of pilots that will be competing have chosen their corps/alliances just because of the AT, so your point is stupid. If the point is that people are supposed to represent their home alliance, then there should have been a clearly outlined rule about how long a player or corporation needs to have been in an alliance for it to classify as their home alliance, with at least a few days of notice. That way nobody would have been dicked over without warning. If someone wasn't eligible, at least it would have been a decision made instead of what we have now, which is a quite a few pissed off and completely surprised pilots. If CCP came up with the idea too late to implement it without screwing people over, they should have implemented it next year properly, and not this year at the expense of their players
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
269
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:05:00 -
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xo3e wrote:Quote:Lastly, to fly with an alliance in the Alliance Tournament XI you will need to have been a member of that alliance from downtime this morning, at 11:00 UTC May 15th. take it as you like, CCP but it is Teams who wins not an Alliances behind this teams. and today you screwed many teams
For teams who like to play, are you saying New Eden Open, Fanfest Tournament and monthly Syndicate Competitive League isn't enough esports opportunities? You also want to create makeshift pretend alliances to compete in the once a year ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:08:00 -
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None of those are anywhere near as good as the alliance tournament , NEO was pretty much garbage and SCL is only really good as practise for the CCP tournaments so yes that isn't enough high level esports opportunities
Alliance Tournament is also the only one with prizes worth a significant amount.
But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P |
Green Gambit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:17:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Green Gambit wrote: Actually if all these players have the same attitude, and sense of entitlement that you have, then to be honest, I think the tournament will be all the better for it.
That's just your ignorant and very biased opinion, sounds like you haven't even seen one of these before ? Tourneys in the past have almost always been better for having my teams competing, same with other tournament veterans who will be excluded by this rule like DHB Wildcat.
Wow, I presume you fly battleships in the tournaments, so the ships are big enough to fit your ego in? |
Green Gambit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:19:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P
Well that's great, because you're God's gift to spaceship tournaments, and *also* in PL.
Win win! |
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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:20:00 -
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\0/
Thanks for the screw job.
Quote:Lastly, to fly with an alliance in the Alliance Tournament XI you will need to have been a member of that alliance from downtime this morning, at 11:00 UTC May 15th. Each alliance may only field one team.
Last year there was at least a month between the announcement and the need for a pilot to be in the alliance. Dropping this on us now means that several players will not be able to participate in the Tourney that had planned to do so with the team I was going to be on. Do note the "was" since I am one of the pilots effected.
I was training up a pilot just to loan out to another player using a PLEX transfer. We were waiting for the announcement to they would lose as little SP on their main while waiting for the AT. Now this does not work.
I do not mind, in fact prefer the fact that this new rule is in effect. It is the unannounced implementation that is the issue.
(someone reading the thread has told me that we can try a petition to get on the team. We will make the attempt. Still, It would have been better to notify the players of the change in advance. For the future, good rule but it does not match the previous rules and therefore is an unexpected change that ruins the plans of many players.) |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
374
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:20:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Green Gambit wrote: Actually if all these players have the same attitude, and sense of entitlement that you have, then to be honest, I think the tournament will be all the better for it.
That's just your ignorant and very biased opinion, sounds like you haven't even seen one of these before ? Tourneys in the past have almost always been better for having my teams competing, same with other tournament veterans who will be excluded by this rule like DHB Wildcat. Wow, I presume you fly battleships in the tournaments, so the ships are big enough to fit your ego in?
I have to agree with green here. You're throwing a tantrum because people wont see your name on a screen, narcissistic much? By your own admission you have characters that meet the entry criteria, is it so hard for you to use one of them instead? Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
269
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:23:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:None of those are anywhere near as good as the alliance tournament , NEO was pretty much garbage and SCL is only really good as practise for the CCP tournaments so yes that isn't enough high level esports opportunities
Alliance Tournament is also the only one with prizes worth a significant amount.
But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P
How do you determine "good"? I considered SCL #3 probably the most competitive EVE esports even I've ever watched so far. Is that not a definition of "good"?
Or are you talking about price pool? Is NEO (in theory) with a 10,000$ cash pool + other stuff not better for small teams? And as such "good" for the hebrew inclined among us?
Or are you talking about exposure/viewership? I agree in that sense Alliance Tournament is indeed "good", but surely it's "good" because we are following our arch-enemies, our "friends" we love to see fail and our real friends we'd like to see succeed. Is it not better if people like SOLAR, Red Alliance, Goonswarm, TEST Alliance, etc etc etc are competing than let's say a new alliance called "Lord Commander John Snow Dies" which is made out of 20 160mil SP characters and only exists during the summer.
It seems like a very sound strategy to bring the "Alliance" back to the "Alliance Tournament" and put the exceptional teams to New Eden Open with team-oriented prices. And as you well know -- Pandemic Legion loses in every tournament, no matter of the format or people participating. |
Shigsy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
52
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:30:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:None of those are anywhere near as good as the alliance tournament , NEO was pretty much garbage and SCL is only really good as practise for the CCP tournaments so yes that isn't enough high level esports opportunities
Alliance Tournament is also the only one with prizes worth a significant amount.
But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P
Why would Dystopia care about prize pools when they never win? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
854
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:32:00 -
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I would totally apply but i'm quite sure letting the other commentator get a word in would be a requirement and i'm terrible at that. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
245
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:33:00 -
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I agree SCL 3 was very competitive, probably more competitive than this alliance tournament is going to be, in part because of this rule change. - However hardly anyone watched it and the prize pool was tiny compared to the Alliance Tournament's Like 4x as many people watched my EVE/HoN gambling match as watched SCL 3..
I do want to see SOLAR, Red Alliance, Goonswarm, TEST Alliance etc competing, but I also want to see teams like Verge of Collapse and Goggle Wearing Internet Crime Fighters, established teams that are heavily affected by this unannounced change. (and Dystopia)
NEO was basically a joke, and even if they had actually paid out the 10k then that's nothing compared to 100 limited issue ships.
PS; Did you forget PL did win SCL 2 btw ? :) |
CoiledVipers
Calamitous-Intent
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:34:00 -
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Shadoo wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:None of those are anywhere near as good as the alliance tournament , NEO was pretty much garbage and SCL is only really good as practise for the CCP tournaments so yes that isn't enough high level esports opportunities
Alliance Tournament is also the only one with prizes worth a significant amount.
But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P How do you determine "good"? I considered SCL #3 probably the most competitive EVE esports even I've ever watched so far. Is that not a definition of "good"? Or are you talking about price pool? Is NEO (in theory) with a 10,000$ cash pool + other stuff not better for small teams? And as such "good" for the hebrew inclined among us? Or are you talking about exposure/viewership? I agree in that sense Alliance Tournament is indeed "good", but surely it's "good" because we are following our arch-enemies, our "friends" we love to see fail and our real friends we'd like to see succeed. Is it not better if people like SOLAR, Red Alliance, Goonswarm, TEST Alliance, etc etc etc are competing than let's say a new alliance called "Lord Commander John Snow Dies" which is made out of 20 160mil SP characters and only exists during the summer. It seems like a very sound strategy to bring the "Alliance" back to the "Alliance Tournament" and put the exceptional teams to New Eden Open with team-oriented prices. And as you well know -- Pandemic Legion loses in every tournament, no matter of the format or people participating.
NEO prize pool remains unpaid as far as I know, and nobody watched it because nobody cares about teams or players they've never heard of.
SCL takes place on the test server, and is not very widely viewed (or cared about). How would you define a 'good' tournament?
I agree that his change is a good one, but it would have been so easy to avoid all of the unhappy pilots with a little foresight from ccp by implementing it better.
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:40:00 -
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Quote:How do you determine "good"? I considered SCL #3 probably the most competitive EVE esports even I've ever watched so far. Is that not a definition of "good"?
my dota 2 premade games is competitive and intense too, but im not comparing it to The International.
i think that concerning the tournament, word "good" means that it has large viewership, good prize pool and challenge i cant say that tournament is good if it has only one or two things of this list. Signature removed. Navigator |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
233
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:57:00 -
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Can CCP possibly hire me to just read their dev blogs first and point out glaring **** that no one will like?
I think it's a good idea. |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
252
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:03:00 -
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I find it amusing how various types of entities got crossed in the single set of rules.
The new rule says that this will be competition of ingame entities (alliances), which will be using another ingame entities as resource (characters), yet it mentions real entities (players are unable to participate in 2 or more teams) and will probably have ruling which takes into consideration meta-game connection between characters (for guys with multiple accounts like tyrrax).
It feels inconsistent to say at least. It will let me (individual and solo pilot, making no contribution to ingame alliance activity) compete, because i joined hydra quite a long ago and didn't bother to leave it, while breaking out-of-game connections of people from multiple alliances and not letting them to compete together. Let alone cases where players are moved to various alliances to overcome technical limitations (e.g. rvb case).
Not that it will hurt me or my team, but i feel bad for people who are getting cut because of this rule.
ps Tyrrax, with any possible outcome - you won't get hurt as much as we previous year were. I still remember how bad it tasted (and esp smacking coming from various sides on forums, trying to justify ccp's position) and really hope you will solve this somehow or just be a man and overcome it. |
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