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Scorp Sentry
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Posted - 2005.10.16 00:17:00 -
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I knew before i clicked this post was gonna be 50 paragraphs too long
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.10.16 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 16/10/2005 00:18:51
Originally by: insuperable GL JF. What I am interested in, is where do G stand now?
Well, thank you but so far as Jericho Fraction is concerned, our relations with G are entirely independently negotiated.
We're sure G feel that way too.
The Cosmopolite
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Ugluuk
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Posted - 2005.10.16 01:29:00 -
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JF once more post a topic with style..
Good luck guys, if any help is needed you know where to ask..
http://bydi.digilo.net/forum/ http://bydi.digilo.net/evekill/
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.16 08:16:00 -
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Quote: Hmm...I think the Northern areas of Deklein and Fade were built on an old burial ground and are permanently cursed.
funny you should say that. I say the same about venal.
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Chrony
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Posted - 2005.10.16 16:16:00 -
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Quote: Then Blacklight is saying that G and IRON have lots of issues with eachother.
Oh, can you please show me were he said that? I must have missed it!
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PedroFTW
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Posted - 2005.10.16 19:14:00 -
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Amusing.....indeed
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Night BlackDark
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Posted - 2005.10.17 00:33:00 -
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richmond
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Posted - 2005.10.17 00:35:00 -
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edited logs for the win.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.10.17 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: richmond edited logs for the win.
Yes, because JF aren't mature with the way they handle diplomatic relations at all
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Clementina
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Posted - 2005.10.17 00:54:00 -
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Sadly, I have to be with Jericho on this one, don't nobody know who IRON shoots, not I, and probably not anyone else in NBSI or PA.
Who Does IRON shoot anyway? I've heard they've KOSed some PA corps, they've shot PA haulers in pure blind. They now shoot Jericho because Jericho shoots PA.
What is IRON's diplomatic stance towards everybody else.
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2005.10.17 01:13:00 -
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Now, bare in mind I will never be on the level of a diplomat as you jade, but none the less
When he said you attacked PA, I believe he is referring back to the time of when blades were still in PA and you gents were attacking, you know prior to your ceasefire.
I was not the one negotiating but yes we are staunch in those who we allow to be near us and not be -10 to bob, not our of hatred for bob but merely out of intelligent risk management. How many alliances that are +10 to IRON sit within 2 regions of bob?
I believe G would be the only one and G is not +10 to bob. Or for that matter how many alliances that are +10 to IRON are not KOS to the majority of the south & rest of eve?
ISS is a rare case, they are a new idea in eve and have done some great things, yes they have negative impact such as the crash of moon minerals but I highly doubt that is 100% their fault. And yes we do not have them -10 because they will never choose a side it is pointless for them to do so as it would eliminate the entire concept of ISS. They thrive on neutrality it is the life blood and will continue to be through the evolution of eve. So there is no point in us perusing hostilities with them as it basically a mute point for them to ever oppose any entity in eve for the territory they claim or the actions they take; barring direct aggression against them.
As for JF, jade we have never gotten along. We both know that and there is no reason to hide that, if for some reason you do want to rectify this situation we can actually sit down and do something about it, but I highly doubt you have any interest in creating a good relationship with IRON.
As for G, your right I will see too it that you are not set -10 by them, as G leaders already discussed this with me and I see no reason to have them set you -10. the reason you were set -10 this time was because of a chat with O-Syn I believe in which they got very lippy and negative towards IRON, in which the director set them -10 at which time you and O-syn were attached at the hip.
we never claimed to be a White hat alliance or a steward to the north. IRON has a few interests, that being the Protection of those we care about, and the protection of ourselves. We are not interested in ***** footing around and we are not afraid of war, we are NOT the NSA and we donÆt play by the rules that governed the NSA, sometimes political BS ties you down, we have no interest in red tape and we can do what we want when we want. This is a game and we play it how we think it should be played or how we can enjoy it.
As far as IronÆs word goes there are many that when given a promise know that we will keep it, G knows that no matter what happens IRON will never abandon G and will always be there in any way possible. We have never abandoned the Dek residents who have been faithful and steadfast. Iron has earned the right to be brothers with G just as G has earned the rights in the same sense. We have time and time again both went out of our way to make sure that the other is secure and steady. This relationship will stay this way because of a Friendship between leaders and a brotherhood between members. Other Corporations & alliances have also been given our word which we have kept over time, giving assistance when and if needed.
Jade Iron has never pretended to be a white hat alliance, we do what is needed to protect those whom we care about and those whom we donÆt well what becomes of it becomes of it. If you really cared to foster a relationship you would, making some agreement in a channel that takes 5 mins carries no weight in long term, it has nothing but the text involved in it. Friendship is built, not signed on a piece of paper, stop pretending that there is something here that isnÆt.
Oh and tell your sniper apoc excellent job, I will get him sooner or later but truly opened my eyes to the ability of support cruisers, simply amazing 8 ).
Bud
---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2005.10.17 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina Sadly, I have to be with Jericho on this one, don't nobody know who IRON shoots, not I, and probably not anyone else in NBSI or PA.
Who Does IRON shoot anyway? I've heard they've KOSed some PA corps, they've shot PA haulers in pure blind. They now shoot Jericho because Jericho shoots PA.
What is IRON's diplomatic stance towards everybody else.
we kill everyone But
NBSI G Razor The Rock PA - although there has been a ton of **** going around about PA shoot us and our residents and us shooting them Dek residents ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.17 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 17/10/2005 01:44:12 So, because Omerta and Jericho WERE allies (and had effectively disbanded at the time), you secretly broke your agreement with Jericho?
Nice. So you blame people for something their (ex) allies did without them knowing, and put them to -10 without "bothering" to inform them. Then kill in situations you KNOW you are blue to your targets.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Buddrow
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Posted - 2005.10.17 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 17/10/2005 01:44:12 So, because Omerta and Jericho WERE allies (and had effectively disbanded at the time), you secretly broke your agreement with Jericho?
Nice. So you blame people for something their (ex) allies did without them knowing, and put them to -10 without "bothering" to inform them. Then kill in situations you KNOW you are blue to your targets.
actully i did convo jade and inform him, so no it was not without warning. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2005.10.17 07:12:00 -
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So are you shooting F-E? (They weren't listed, but might have been overlooked :p)
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.10.17 07:26:00 -
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We shoot F-E. I don't know what IRON does with you. ------- K. Raven
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.10.17 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 17/10/2005 09:26:43 Buddrow, "As for JF, jade we have never gotten along. We both know that and there is no reason to hide that, if for some reason you do want to rectify this situation we can actually sit down and do something about it, but I highly doubt you have any interest in creating a good relationship with IRON."
We have no interest in creating a good relationship with IRON? No, that's quite right. Now, what I'd like you to tell people is: what exact hostile moves had JF done between signing of ceasefire and now? You know, every time that you people shot us out of blue we did "sit down and do something about it", we called you guys up and asked what the hell was up.
We're tired of that now. You've shown on quite a few occasions that your word isn't worth the datapackets transmitting it. If someone says "we won't shoot you" and then shoots us, then says "we won't shoot you" again and then repeats the whole circus two times more in as many weeks... We're fed up. There is no such thing as "sit[ing] down and do something about it" with IRON, because you obviously don't care about your given word.
Addendum: And the next time whole circus with "let's be neutral" starts, I will personally say no to any reversion to neutrality. Those that chose your side this time around have made their beds, they can sleep in it.
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chris Henry on 17/10/2005 10:00:33 That was the most immature and childish piece of diplomacy I have ever seen in a chat log. "We don't like your friends - shoot them or we'll shoot you"? Please... Playground bully stylee public relations.
Go JF. --------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Kill the Bunny. |
Czardas
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:06:00 -
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Jericho Traction diplomacy: an exercise in twisting your words, not actually achieving results.
Tip: don't talk to snakes. They're not interested in constructive outcomes. They're just building endless castles of logic in their own hot air.
[CZ] (an alt unaffiliated with either side)
p.s. ever see a real-life diplomat post details of his discussions? I don't think so. What lousy poker players JF must be.
p.p.s. I spend all day managing projects, writing white papers and dealing with corporate bovine scatology. I know JF's type. They don't get anything done, but they'll whine for ever about the inconsistent principles of those that do. Advice: ignore (or just shoot them for fun :))
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Czardas Jericho Traction diplomacy: an exercise in twisting your words, not actually achieving results.
Tip: don't talk to snakes. They're not interested in constructive outcomes. They're just building endless castles of logic in their own hot air.
[CZ] (an alt unaffiliated with either side)
p.s. ever see a real-life diplomat post details of his discussions? I don't think so. What lousy poker players JF must be.
p.p.s. I spend all day managing projects, writing white papers and dealing with corporate bovine scatology. I know JF's type. They don't get anything done, but they'll whine for ever about the inconsistent principles of those that do. Advice: ignore (or just shoot them for fun :))
An un-affiliated alt? Sure...
p.s. ever see a real-life diplomat post details of his discussions? I don't think so. What lousy poker players JF must be.
So it's a bad thing that JF lay everything out on the table for all to see and judge? I fully respect that.. Or maybe thats just me?
Go JF. --------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Kill the Bunny. |
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FotoFlame
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:27:00 -
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Nice to see the JF propaganda machine is greased up and running at full speed once again.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite IRON is an organisation that is fixated on the feud with Band of Brothers (BoB)...IRON cannot bear to see any organisation in the north that does not share their vendetta. They have now stated in the clearest possible terms their standings enclosurism and resolute policy that anyone who does not set BoB to -10KOS will be -10KOS to IRON.
Signed. Its something IÆm sure youÆll find is enforced by anti-bob corps and alliances throughout Eve û weÆve only been at war with them for about a year after all.
Quote: Naturally this is unacceptable to any truly independent organisation.
So you feel your freedom and rights are being threatened because we donÆt condone you supporting an alliance thatÆs sole aim is to strip people of their freedom and rights? perhaps you should read this and then state your case again http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=236930
and if you seriously think that you can live in 0.0 without having to choose sides then you obviously havenÆt got a clue what youÆre talking about.
Quote: Anyone who has experienced the bullying of IRON will have a hard time believing that BoB are the devils of the piece.
WeÆre actually really nice when you get to know us û you just have to stop supporting people that want us dead for us to really open up and play house.
Quote: IRON has been shooting PA haulers deep in PA territory and in Pure Blind rrecently.
One hauler, once û PA were immediately contacted and offered compensation, nice try though.
Quote: No-one who has been treated to the childish farce that is IRON 'diplomacy' can easily credit them with the role of shining knights practising a gallant stewardship of the North.
/me stops polishing his armour and points to the wall
nah youÆre just a special case - now if you could form an orderly queue please, I cant afford the bullets.
~Foto
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:32:00 -
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FotoFlame, I trust you aren't trying to confuse the issue by presenting a series of quotes from our press release and slipping an external (unattributed) comment into the mix are you?
(hint) Cosmopolite's press release said absolutely nothing about IRON hitting PA haulers for fun.
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FotoFlame
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:43:00 -
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just a collection of quotes from this thread - but if it makes you feel better...
~Foto
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Czardas
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Czardas on 17/10/2005 11:12:38
Originally by: Chris Henry
Originally by: Czardas p.s. ever see a real-life diplomat post details of his discussions? I don't think so. What lousy poker players JF must be.
So it's a bad thing that JF lay everything out on the table for all to see and judge? I fully respect that.. Or maybe thats just me?
Go JF.
It probably isn't just you, but you'd be fired from my negotiating team for being an asshat. Think JF got anything positive out of this apart from fanboys?
They're still word-twisting snakes. I won't deal with anyone whose principal negotiating position is trying to tell me what my principles are.
[CZ]
[OOC comparison snipped due to Constantine griping]
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:48:00 -
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Thank you for the edit FotoFlame, its now clear that all but one quote was from the initial press release. Much appreciated.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:49:00 -
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Cz, you ll find that most people who have had relationships of any kind with JF know exactly where they stand with them.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Veskrashen
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: FotoFlame and if you seriously think that you can live in 0.0 without having to choose sides then you obviously havenÆt got a clue what youÆre talking about.
Actually, that's exactly what we've been saying for over two years now. It's worked well for us on a personal and corporate level. Your fight with BoB is just that - your fight. I am under no obligation whatsoever to choose sides, it ain't my fight. You can shoot each other all day, every day to the end of time, and guess what? Still won't be my fight.
Of course, now you have gone and picked a fight with us, so now we'll do what we can to kick you where it hurts the most. It's a shame, really - especially since we used to be rather close, back when you were the NSA, back in the GNW. But then you decided to commit suicide, and now here we are. With you shooting us in the back, dragging us into fights that aren't our concern. We might not be a big corporation, but we can be a pain far out of proportion to our size.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.10.17 10:51:00 -
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Note for the mods: could we have this thread cleaned of OOC material please? I can't see any valid reason for an alt to be posting about his real life experience with software vendors in an IC press release on an IC forum.
(buddrows comment also has some non IC stuff that could do with snipping truth to tell)
Thanks in advance.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.10.17 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: FotoFlame
Originally by: The Cosmopolite IRON is an organisation that is fixated on the feud with Band of Brothers (BoB)...IRON cannot bear to see any organisation in the north that does not share their vendetta. They have now stated in the clearest possible terms their standings enclosurism and resolute policy that anyone who does not set BoB to -10KOS will be -10KOS to IRON.
Signed. Its something IÆm sure youÆll find is enforced by anti-bob corps and alliances throughout Eve û weÆve only been at war with them for about a year after all.
Care to list all the 'anti-bob corps and alliances' you are presuming to speak for? I think it's interesting that you are essentially declaring that a special feature of 'anti-bob' organisations is that they particularly have a policy of standings enclosurism: that is, the bullying of corporations that live in or near space they 'claim' into adopting standings pleasing to them.
I can think of one or two 'anti-bob' organisations that would probably not be best pleased to be spoken for in this manner.
Originally by: FotoFlame
[...] you feel your freedom and rights are being threatened because we donÆt condone you supporting an alliance thatÆs sole aim is to strip people of their freedom and rights? [...] and if you seriously think that you can live in 0.0 without having to choose sides then you obviously havenÆt got a clue what youÆre talking about.
We feel our freedoms are under threat when anyone tells us who we may or may not be friends with and who we should or should not fight. You have done this. You are standings enclosurists. You are enemies of liberty.
As to the remark to the effect that anyone who lives in 0.0 must of necessity 'choose sides'. It requires little comment. A clearer illustration of the mindset underpinning standings enclosurism and the bullying 'you're either with us or you're against us' attitude it exemplifies would be difficult to find.
It's worth adding that Jericho Fraction and free spirits across the cluster have been proving it to be utterly wrong for years.
The Cosmopolite
Voice of the Freecaptains Jericho Fraction |
Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2005.10.17 14:22:00 -
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So be it.
This time there will be no relenting in the struggle. We understand now that for the North to be free it must be burned down and made ash to nourish the hope of true freedom.
So who's gonna burn it down for you? _______________________________________________
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