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StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:40:00 -
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Cheers,
I post this here because i shall do that within a petition process.
we encounter something i knew yet only from hearing.
We wardeced an alliance. Some people left that alliance and formed corp1. We also decleared war on corp1. They just created corp2.
(we stopped wardeccing them at this point, but this probably can be extended to...)
. . . They just created corp(n+1).
So they are 100% invulnerable to wardecs. And as far as i got EvE none should be invulnerable to anything. Change that please. Or at least think about it. It-¦s nonesense.
A quick solution (yeah, herpderp but meh: no ranting without a how-to-do-better):
If someone leaves a corp which is at war he should carry the war with him. He can't join a new corp till he is a viable wartarget (he stays a wartarget as long as the war on the corp lasts (but max. 7 days). Only way to get rid of the wartarget-mark is to join an npc corp. If he leaves the npc-corp within the 7 days the mark is refreshed. This also should apply to alliance-levels (then the mark is corp-wide).
Still: We take that as a win. https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Somali%20Pirates%20are%20Retards
Flame on! My true stories |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:43:00 -
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I'm not going to tell you to biomass yourself for not searching before posting the exact same idea that's been posted before, but you might want to biomass yourself for not searching before posting the exact same idea that's been posted before.
Generally speaking, everyone/almost everyone in Features & Ideas agrees that wardecs shouldn't be so easy to avoid. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:47:00 -
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biomass, definitely. |
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:47:00 -
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Get over it. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:53:00 -
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Yes, biomass yourself for not using the search feature.
Then uninstall the game too.
In fact, it should be mandatory for people posting something that has been posted countless times before. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
120
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:01:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Yes, biomass yourself for not using the search feature.
Then uninstall the game too.
In fact, it should be mandatory for people posting something that has been posted countless times before.
This post made me think of AFK Cloaking threads.
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:10:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Yes, biomass yourself for not using the search feature.
Then uninstall the game too.
In fact, it should be mandatory for people posting something that has been posted countless times before. This post made me think of AFK Cloaking threads. shush lest more of them show up to make new threads... |
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:25:00 -
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This sounds to be stupid loophole in wardeck system and should fixed. If you can so easily avoid wardeck.wardeck really lose its purpose. Also I believe that the suggestion of the original poster was reasonable.
+1 bump.
What becomes to the stupid trolls. Go beat up your wife you seem to be good in that. Other discussions: Racial systems balancing and homogenization Bounty contracts |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
163
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:34:00 -
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Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for. |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
149
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:45:00 -
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A real warrior does not seek out defenseless cowards.
Thanks for admitting that you are just as pathetic as your prey. How droll. |
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Pan Dora
Stardust Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:51:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:... as far as i got EvE none should be invulnerable to anything.
NERF STATIONS!!!!
NERF LOGOUT!!!!
ADD PLAYER PERMADEATH
_____________________________________________________ -CCP would boost ECM so it also block the ability of buthurt posting. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:05:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for.
There is a lot of truth in the above.
War deccing a small industrial/research/manufacturing corp is just damn pathetic. You have players that are mostly specialized in things like mining, manufacturing, and research (isn't that shocking). Maybe some skills for hauling. They might have some skills for missions that have some overlap with PvP, but since they don't PvP they have less understanding of how to PvP well.
Basically, it is like the 8th graders picking the 3rd graders.
It isn't always like this, but more often than not it is. So, is it reasonable to expect these players to fight. No, in fact it is ****ing stupid. So the decced players have found a solution. And those initiating the dec come here and whine about fights that by and large they wouldn't have gotten anyways...or the occassional fight they do get is with some poor ******* who didn't see the war dec notice in his corp mail and undocked in his min-maxed mission boat.
Here is a suggestion to the corp initiating the war dec: HTFU and STFU. |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:20:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Ersahi Kir wrote:Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for. There is a lot of truth in the above. War deccing a small industrial/research/manufacturing corp is just damn pathetic. You have players that are mostly specialized in things like mining, manufacturing, and research (isn't that shocking). Maybe some skills for hauling. They might have some skills for missions that have some overlap with PvP, but since they don't PvP they have less understanding of how to PvP well. Basically, it is like the 8th graders picking the 3rd graders. It isn't always like this, but more often than not it is. So, is it reasonable to expect these players to fight. No, in fact it is ****ing stupid. So the decced players have found a solution. And those initiating the dec come here and whine about fights that by and large they wouldn't have gotten anyways...or the occassional fight they do get is with some poor ******* who didn't see the war dec notice in his corp mail and undocked in his min-maxed mission boat. Here is a suggestion to the corp initiating the war dec: HTFU and STFU.
Seen this happen on a very regular basis. Combat corps picking out some indy targets to have a shooting fish in a barrel funtime. And the worse display of their lack of gut is they don't even follow me into lowsec. I often explore and run sites in low (way more isk) but never seen any WTs there. Totally camp station, but won't follow us into low. pft.
These people are just so f****** obsessed with forcing people to fight them, even on the most unmatched and uneven of terms. They won't be happy till even logout causes you to undock and sit in space, or CCP sends a task force to your house to make sure you log on and undock for them to shoot you.
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Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:56:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Seen this happen on a very regular basis. Combat corps picking out some indy targets to have a shooting fish in a barrel funtime. And the worse display of their lack of gut is they don't even follow me into lowsec. I often explore and run sites in low (way more isk) but never seen any WTs there. Totally camp station, but won't follow us into low. pft.
These people are just so f****** obsessed with forcing people to fight them, even on the most unmatched and uneven of terms. They won't be happy till even logout causes you to undock and sit in space, or CCP sends a task force to your house to make sure you log on and undock for them to shoot you.
Reminds me of my time in a wormhole alliance. Some of the miners needed low end minerals to build some ships so they were high sec mining, and some nutless corp war-decced us. We offered to straight up fight them somewhere, they declined. We would show up in system and chase them into station, even when we were outnumbered. They weren't looking for fights and PvP, they were looking for the weak targets to pad their killboard.
Which pretty much shows half of the problem with the war dec system anyway. War decs are used when a much stronger PvP corp wants to beat up a weaker corp. They're not used when two strong corps/alliance want to go at it, as that action is in wormholes or null sec where a war dec isn't necessary. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:03:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for.
But what happens when those corps just do exactly the same thing? |
Zen Dijun
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:10:00 -
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The WarDec system should just be abandoned. I mean who starts a fight with a notice (here we come!!!)? You should just pay Concord to look the other way and have at IT!!!!
-- Zen |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:15:00 -
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There is so much fail in some replies.
The corp was picked because it had over 150 people. Also they finished 5 wars (also vs. well known entities) without a single kill or loss.
All those HTFU go to lowsec. been there, done that. You ofc wouldnt kill a hulk mining in a 0.3 because its a to soft target for you, AM I RIGHT? My true stories |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:17:00 -
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I've learned over my time in eve that only the weak and foolish play by the rules, so in regards to the op's original point when you wardec someone and the leave the alliance and form corp (n+1) and thus become immune to wardec's you could simply gank their transporters, gank their mining barges.
Yes you lose a lot of cheap disposable ships, but you completely wreck their supply lines and remove their sense of satisfaction or feeling of safety. You can create an alt and try to spy/infiltrate them or simply scan them down when they are missioning and brazenly salvage their loot. You'd be amazed how that gets under people's skin. Find ways to take away the fruits of their labours without using war decs.
Now the question you got to ask yourself is 'do you hate them enough to operate outside the rules'.
Eve is like that, you can always win on your own terms. Tiericide is tiers by another name. |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:26:00 -
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Ofc that-¦s a workaround, but doesnt solve the (i dont want say problem) thing about people getting immune to wardecs.
At one point (if my mind doesnt trick me; couple years ago) it was ruled an exploit. My true stories |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:32:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:There is so much fail in some replies.
The corp was picked because it had over 150 people. Also they finished 5 wars (also vs. well known entities) without a single kill or loss.
All those HTFU go to lowsec. been there, done that. You ofc wouldnt kill a hulk mining in a 0.3 because its a to soft target for you, AM I RIGHT?
So let me get this straight, genius.
You and your buddies find a corp with 150 people in it. You then look at their KB and war dec record and notice:
1. 5 Wars recently. 2. Nary a kill or loss in sight. 3. Dec them. 4. Whine because you don't get a fight.
What an awesome story.
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StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:51:00 -
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The bootcamp is about to teach people how to hunt down targets.
So yeah, they doing a wonderfull job.
Whining because we got no kill: The 'trainees' achieved 116 Kills for a total of 8.22 B isk while they lost 18 ships for 0.32 b (against that target in less then 2 weeks).
It-¦s not whining if something is realy broken.
EDIT: They 'generate' ISK in a no-risk environment (besides the mentioned suicide ganks; which doesnt totaly not fit to the philosophy of EvE). Also a change would make merc-work more 'important'. My true stories |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:09:00 -
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StoneCold wrote: ...the mentioned suicide ganks; which doesnt totaly not fit to the philosophy of EvE...
Sure it is. If anything it represents the philosophy of Eve better than just about anything else. Once you undock, there is nothing the ensure your safety. Not a noob corp, an NPC corp, high sec, Concord....nothing. |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:15:00 -
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For the suicide part yeah, you-¦re right ofc.
I tried to refer to the "non-risk environment to generate ISK". More ISK is something EvE realy needs.
Also quoting out of context is meh. Did you see that semicolon? My true stories |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:21:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:For the suicide part yeah, you-¦re right ofc.
I tried to refer to the "non-risk environment to generate ISK". More ISK is something EvE realy needs.
Also quoting out of context is meh. Did you see that semicolon?
I did, and it is in the part I quoted.
And there is risk...even for the station scrub in Jita that spends all his time docked trading. He probably puts more at risk every day in terms of isk than you or I do in a week.
Some people just aren't going to PvP with guns. Nothing can really be done about it. Even if they implemented your change the people who play Eve and fit into this category would simply not undock, not log in, or the like.
I knew a guy like this in game a few years ago. My alt was in an indy corp at the time, we were mining and some guys came around looking to flip cans. All of us got excited and one guy went to reship into an Arazu, IIRC. All except that one guy. He recalled drones, aligned out and warped to station, docked and logged. Just not his thing...at all. But he was a heck of an indy guy. Market PvP though was not an issue for him. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:56:00 -
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Good point, the op could also use market pvp and out compete their buy/sell orders and crush them economically, obviously this wont work well if you don't have skilled traders in your corp, but to be fair every corp should have at least one. Tiericide is tiers by another name. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:58:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:EDIT: They 'generate' ISK in a no-risk environment (besides the mentioned suicide ganks; which doesnt totaly not fit to the philosophy of EvE). Also a change would make merc-work more 'important'.
as if ratting in the middle of a blue ball in 0.0 is high risk. They have intel showing that 15 man roam coming in many systems out. It they die to this its not dangerous risk taking, its stupidity. The biggest "threat" to these null bears is afk cloaky apparently as they whine so much about them.
Empire you can have 75 nuets in local. JUSt like 5 of them need to be in teir 3's to make it a party. Question is....which 5 out of 75 are they? |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
260
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Posted - 2013.05.17 00:28:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:StoneCold wrote:EDIT: They 'generate' ISK in a no-risk environment (besides the mentioned suicide ganks; which doesnt totaly not fit to the philosophy of EvE). Also a change would make merc-work more 'important'. as if ratting in the middle of a blue ball in 0.0 is high risk. They have intel showing that 15 man roam coming in many systems out. It they die to this its not dangerous risk taking, its stupidity. The biggest "threat" to these null bears is afk cloaky apparently as they whine so much about them. Empire you can have 75 nuets in local. JUSt like 5 of them need to be in teir 3's to make it a party. Question is....which 5 out of 75 are they?
There is a difference, not in the amount of available risk, but eligible risk, and the steps necessary to achieve it.
Every nulbear in 0.0 flies under the wings, and work, of some other player. Their security, their relative safety, is all earned by the hard work of other players, other corps, sometimes even other alliances. While they are actually far safer than your general hisec occupant, the simple fact that they had to participate in a player-fueled engine to achieve that safety earns them more respect and tolerance in the eyes of the 'cold dark universe' crowd.
Again, some PLAYER worked hard for that security. Lost ships, destroyed ships, manned gate camps for hours on end (if you don't think that is work, you've never worked security in real life), all to provide allies with security.
In comparison, the player in hisec who is probably under more threat from suicide dessies than roaming enemy fleets, does NOT have to put any effort into his security. In fact, neither he, nor his friends, nor any player before him, established that NPC corp and CONCORD in order to give him the little security he has.
Some players, like myself, feel that your personal level of safety needs to be earned. If players would involve themselves with others, so much the better. Instead of jumping corps a million times, try spending a little of your isk and hiring a bunch of players to fight for you. Pay to have the enemies stop. Negotiate a mining tax or to sell ships for cheap.
In short, INTERACT.
Because while so many anti-pvp players seem to feel that every pvper is a twisted, sick individual who likes to drown puppies (because, you would HAVE to be that disturbed to want to shoot pixels at another pixelated combatant in an online video game, right?), it's often more the other way around. It's usually the anti-social, 'friendly to your face' hermit, pillar of society type that keeps body parts in his cooler. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality.-á That 'griefer/thief' is probably more sane than you are.-á How screwed up is that? |
1st-Garrentious WispBender
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:09:00 -
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Lulz, you got reversed griefed broskie. |
Darxia Thornblade
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:27:00 -
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Imagine the world where you go to work happily, and then a guy comes over to you. Politely says: "Hello!" and starts beating you up. Then, after you get beaten up a little, maybe your nose is bleeding, maybe you have a cracked rib or two, and a cut or bruises. Then, a policeman walks by and stops. He stares at you and the man beating you up. He asks politely whats going on, and the man who was beating you says: "I've declared war to him yesterday!" and continues to beat you up, while the policeman walks away whistling.
Makes no sense? Right? How about...
You go to work happily, a man comes over and he seems familiar, you may have seen him yesterday, or maybe he's a totally different man. It doesn't matter. You see him swinging his fist at you, and you strip your uniform or colors instantly and dress into another uniform. The man stares at you and can't touch you as you're wearing different clothes now. If he tries to swing at you, he'll be beaten up by a policeman (the same one from the day before).
Makes no sense either? Right?
The mechanic is broken... Or is it? Makes no sense? Right? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2479
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:33:00 -
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OP... here is a thread you might be interested in.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235899&find=unread Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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