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Machete Visor
Shafts Pier Investment Trust Bond
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:12:00 -
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Lets see... your strategy is to take a stable product, a cash cow, and leverage that playerbase into new development activities. You can use the stable product as a kind of testing ground for new products that come from the development activities. You mainly need to keep the customers happy while you grow...here is what happens:
1 - the product you developed is cumbersome, not user friendly and overall rejected by a core audience that are very similar to the target customers of the new product.
2 - the communication aspect is entirely botched, multiple times, causing a revolt of the stable customer base.
3 - economic recession hits, debt becomes more expensive for risky ventures.
If i am CEO, i shut down the product line that has flopped, build back up the core customer base and free cash flow, work on refinancing the debt, and can the guys who were in charge of keeping the customers happy.
As CEO, i hire people to do things for me, like manage a customer base, or develop a product. Sure, my vision may have not been great, and i can fix that. But i likely need to slash N burn to rebuild and refocus.
In other words, closing WOD is a rational move for a dog product. Getting rid of some of the community 'face' is also rational in two cases: 1 - they were part of the problem (either stirring up the customer base) or they 2 - weren't part of the solution (failing to prevent dissent).
Either way, in an economic recession, with debt coming due and Europe not doing all that well in the finances, if there is a f'up, expect someone involved to take the sword.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:44:00 -
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Heads are already rolling. |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:49:00 -
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Fire the people who messed their jobs up, not community liaisons and managers. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:51:00 -
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:Fire the people who messed their jobs up, not community liaisons and managers.
They fire the nex store team or cut nack on them? Seems that might have been the place to start.
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.20 02:55:00 -
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Machete Visor wrote: In other words, closing WOD is a rational move for a dog product.
Correct.
Quote:Getting rid of some of the community 'face' is also rational in two cases: 1 - they were part of the problem (either stirring up the customer base) or they 2 - weren't part of the solution (failing to prevent dissent).
Incorrect. What keeps customers happy is the game being good, all the community reps are for is to pass on to the devs how the customer base feels, on the one hand, and pass on to the customers whatever the devs want the customers to hear.
The only rational reason to fire the community reps would be simply lack of money, in that they are closer to "surplus to requirements". IOW it's nice for CCP to have them, if they can afford them, but if they can't afford them they don't need them. They're marginal.
So either CCP are being irrational (perhaps some harebrained management guru's scheme, akin to the previous harebrained marketing scheme represented by NeX), or they're really hurting financially.
If the former, then management needs to be fired; if the latter, then CCP deserve our support. |
Machete Visor
Shafts Pier Investment Trust Bond
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:06:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:Fire the people who messed their jobs up, not community liaisons and managers. They fire the nex store team or cut nack on them? Seems that might have been the place to start.
nah, they need the programers talent/knowledge.
just need them to program different things... that is a vision thing, only see head's roll there if the board decides so
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Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:21:00 -
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Machete Visor wrote: In other words, closing WOD is a rational move for a dog product.
Unlike what Barbelo Valentinian said, that is actually incorrect. WoD isn't closed and is still running and being worked on.
Quote:Fire the people who messed their jobs up, not community liaisons and managers. That's kinda the problem, the one that messed up was the CEO and well, they can't get fired just like that. If you want to focus on game development then getting rid of those that aren't developers would be the first move. Wouldn't be surprised if the rest are sound engineers and artists as they are usually the next ones on the chopping block. |
Machete Visor
Shafts Pier Investment Trust Bond
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:26:00 -
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Jashmyne wrote:Machete Visor wrote: In other words, closing WOD is a rational move for a dog product.
Unlike what Barbelo Valentinian said, that is actually incorrect. WoD isn't closed and is still running and being worked on.
its dead, they will try to sell it. |
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:30:00 -
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Ah the delusional minds of the Eve Community. let's forget about facts and simply post nonsense. That has worked sooo well so far. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:30:00 -
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Fire everyone |
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Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:31:00 -
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^See |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:34:00 -
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I think a few select staff from atlanta should remain on board, zyrg, fallout, u know, the ones who posted on the forums and answered questions we had..
the others, well i understand, it had to be done to refocus from WOD to eve/dust. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:36:00 -
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Machete Visor wrote: In other words, closing WOD is a rational move for a dog product. Getting rid of some of the community 'face' is also rational in two cases: 1 - they were part of the problem (either stirring up the customer base) or they 2 - weren't part of the solution (failing to prevent dissent).
i too fire my press secretary when they can't explain away that videotape of me with the hooker and her corpse in my trunk well enough to keep my poll numbers from sagging, because it is the press secretary's fault |
Machete Visor
Shafts Pier Investment Trust Bond
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:43:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Machete Visor wrote: In other words, closing WOD is a rational move for a dog product. Getting rid of some of the community 'face' is also rational in two cases: 1 - they were part of the problem (either stirring up the customer base) or they 2 - weren't part of the solution (failing to prevent dissent).
i too fire my press secretary when they can't explain away that videotape of me with the hooker and her corpse in my trunk well enough to keep my poll numbers from sagging, because it is the press secretary's fault
....happens actually. that is why you have a press secretary. to get you out of that kind of crap.
if they are just a talking head, you could do it yourself.
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Machete Visor
Shafts Pier Investment Trust Bond
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:46:00 -
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Jashmyne wrote:Ah the delusional minds of the Eve Community. let's forget about facts and simply post nonsense. That has worked sooo well so far.
which facts? i looked at their financial statements, followed their statements and their actions and arrived at a conclusion. They have good free cash flow from eve, a lot of development cost, debt coming due, a tough economy and product that was too machine intensive to be ready to market
= shutter down
the only way to survive as a company is to keep the eve crew happy, which they failed to do.
= head's roll.
if you don't see this is the way things work, you are thinking of this too much like a game and not enough like a business.
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Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:56:00 -
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Got to give props to the OP for the reasoning.
Economic calculation will usually set a bar, a number at which the corporation need to operate, a number that determines the max amount possible of expenses allowed and such.
Everything that puts the actual numbers above that bar and is not ABSOLUTELY essential will get the axe.
This is sound economical action in the quantifiable domain and in that the OP is right.
However it is also possible that the projected impact of letting go some folks because they were above the bar will be, in the long run, a good decision.
So, in short, the rationale seems sound (if we remember that seem is all we can discuss since we know not the details) but the decision still can be very very wrong.
Could be another PR mistake... of many.
"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:08:00 -
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Business is business, this decision was economic.
If you MUST let people go, who'd you rather Game Makers or Forum Posters?
CCP needs to learn, you lay people off on FRIDAY
Then you release all your dev blogs starting Saturday ... |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:46:00 -
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Please keep the discussion here.
Thread locked.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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