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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
591
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Posted - 2013.05.31 11:39:00 -
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Kinurra wrote: The Problem: You enter the game and aren't sure what to train. You decide mining sounds ridiculously awesome, and 2.5 million skill points later decide mining is boring and a waste of time. So you start training PvP and really like it - never touching a mining barge or laser again. But those skill points just sit there, worthless and taking up space.
But, from what you are saying, you used those mining skills during the time it took you to skill up those 2.5million SPs. You flew mining ships You reaped the rewards of rock chewing Maybe you even reprocessed ore with less wastage (I forget if this is a skill or not)
So now you want to turn these skills, (which you have benefited from), into a new profession.... Instantly.
Seriously, NO!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Dreus D'arco
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:34:00 -
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Well if they would allow for skill respecialization it would atleast need serious consequences.
For example if you would like to unlearn skill like Mining Barge you would be refunded only 50% (or even less) of the skill points you spent learning on it.
This would be only way i would MAYBE allow it. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9813
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:29:00 -
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Kinurra wrote:I don't care that others have raised this issue before
OK, then we don't care to waste time making the same explainations all over again because you think you're a special snowflake.
If you want us to put any time into considering your ideas, then you should at minimum put similar effort into making sure that they haven't already been looked at, and into addressing objections raised at that time.
If you can't be bothered to do that, why should we be bothered to spend any time on self-serving skillpoint reset proposal #218?
(Answer: we won't)
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Tjorven Einherjar Valkyrja
Insight n Foresight
22
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Posted - 2013.07.22 01:48:00 -
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Nay on your idea also.
But because I understand your frustration as I am also a bit OCD.
Then as this is not a fix but an idea to soothe your eyes; do what I do and finish the skills you started to train. Makes my Character Skill Sheet look good. If that's too much to handle well I'd also say HTFU because you shoulda' planned your direction better Makin' Isk is my business
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
248
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:22:00 -
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PLEX for Removal of Unwanted Skills!!!
You do not get reimbursed for skill points or skill books. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
47
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:59:00 -
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The only thing I could think of where I would be ok with this is PLEX for skill removal.
not reimbursement or any of that abuseable rubbish.
straight off Aurum for skillpoints gone from your sheet.
Either from the point of view of the OCD people out there who no longer want mining foreman 3 or from PvPers who want to bring their clone costs down.
Anything else NO NO NO!
I HAVE SPOKEN! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
278
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:29:00 -
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Dreus D'arco wrote:Well if they would allow for skill respecialization it would atleast need serious consequences.
For example if you would like to unlearn skill like Mining Barge you would be refunded only 50% (or even less) of the skill points you spent learning on it.
This would be only way i would MAYBE allow it. Its quite easy to get around the gaming the system - A skill point remap refunds only points on your base start up stats. That means if you were training for a year with +5's and say you had 25 perception 24 willpower you would be refunded the years worth of skill points based on your base stats, completely ignoring the +5's and the attributes points that can be allocated.
Sure you might end up losing 50% or more of the skill-points but who cares. I would only support this reallocation though when CCP makes very large changes to the game that make that skill you trained for useless.
And please, don't tell me its not useless, I haven't fired a torpedo or missile since the missile nerf and never plan to. That' s what 7 years? I specialize and never do flavor of the month. Same as the shield compensation skills I have all trained up now...
I could go on for a while, lots of wasted skill points that will never have a use.
Also I agree there should be consequences for your choices, however those consequences should not extend to CCP's unforeseen and arbitrary changes to core game mechanics. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
6
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:There is already a solution to this. Self-destruct an alpha clone over & over until you've lost the desired skills.
Lmao... |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
756
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Posted - 2013.08.14 10:43:00 -
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Kinurra wrote:^^ if someone hacked your account they could just biomass your toon anyways so a timer wouldn't do much. Use a complex password with a variety of caps, numbers, and special characters and your account will be safe.
I wouldn't mind deleting skills from my head and losing those skillpoints all together. That would be progress
I believe there is a 24 hour timer on Biomass for this exact reason.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
486
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:26:00 -
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New FOTM pops up, I buy a char from the character bizarre, I remap it's skills for FOTM, I lol all over your face.
FOTM gets nerfed, I sell char with FOTM skills, I buy a new char from the bizarre, I remap it for the new FOTM, lol all over your face again.
ok, so you limit it to 1 remap per account per year, I have 12 accounts (most are inactive), I switch to a monthly sub and rotate through these accounts.
You've just trashed eve and turned it into some ****** WoW "I R GOTTA MAX SKILL FOR RAID!!!" game. Well done. |
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Sir Spottington
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
15
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:00:00 -
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Kinurra wrote: The Problem: You enter the game and aren't sure what to train. You decide mining sounds ridiculously awesome, and 2.5 million skill points later decide mining is boring and a waste of time. So you start training PvP and really like it - never touching a mining barge or laser again. But those skill points just sit there, worthless and taking up space.
Over the years as your game play experience changes and you entertain the idea of venturing into other professions, more and more wasted skillpoints stack up.
Justification for implementing this change: 1) Players really should be given the opportunity to correct mistakes and clean up their characters 2) Like the philosophy behind Plex or Tags-for-sec, the time has already been invested and skill points already earned. 3) Limiting to 1 reset per year (or even 2 or 3 years) like Attribute resets prevents this from being abused 4) I'd pay a plex (now, if that's not motivation!....)
Sidebar: This also goes hand-in-hand with skill deletion. Most players have at least a few skills that they plugged into their head, only to regret it later and have no way to delete them. Those of us with OCD that hate seeing a lot of level 0,1, or 2 skills mixed in with level 4's and 5's really go nuts over not being able to delete them. I'd like this feature too.
i agree with the skill deletion but with no sp reimbursement. if there was that then i see no need for a remap,not that there ever should be sp remaps, and it keeps with the 'actions have consequence' as whatever time its taken to train the deleted skill would have been totally wasted. |
Ravn
Gallente Mining Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:37:00 -
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Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!
It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-) |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
274
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:18:00 -
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Ravn wrote:Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!
It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-)
Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points.
And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Baaldor
Capsuleer Outfitters Easily Excited
72
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:34:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Ravn wrote:Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!
It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-) Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points. And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this.
That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD? |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
274
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:54:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Ravn wrote:Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!
It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-) Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points. And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this. That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD?
No, delete skills I have NO USE FOR and WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE FOR AGAIN.
Example,
CCP gave me Mining Lvl 2 when I created this character. This is a combat character, I have NO USE FOR this skill.
When planet management first came out, I wanted to give it a try, you know something new, let's try it. I injected all 5 skills and trained each skill to lvl 4. After a few months, I decided that I did not like PI. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE AGAIN for these 5 skills.
Should I be penalized for trying something new, then deciding that it is not for me?
I do not mind losing the skill points & think I should lose the skill points for trying it. I just want to remove it from my skill sheet if I want too. Charge me a PLEX, if you/CCP thinks it is a vanity thing, like PLEX for Re-Sculpt. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Baaldor
Capsuleer Outfitters Easily Excited
72
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:05:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Baaldor wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Ravn wrote:Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!
It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-) Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points. And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this. That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD? No, delete skills I have NO USE FOR and WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE FOR AGAIN. Example, CCP gave me Mining Lvl 2 when I created this character. This is a combat character, I have NO USE FOR this skill. When planet management first came out, I wanted to give it a try, you know something new, let's try it. I injected all 5 skills and trained each skill to lvl 4. After a few months, I decided that I did not like PI. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE AGAIN for these 5 skills. Should I be penalized for trying something new, then deciding that it is not for me? I do not mind losing the skill points & think I should lose the skill points for trying it. I just want to remove it from my skill sheet if I want too. Charge me a PLEX, if you/CCP thinks it is a vanity thing, like PLEX for Re-Sculpt.
I am not sure where you are "penalized" for having it.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3094
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:22:00 -
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Seconded. How does having skills you aren't using "penalize" you? It's like know irrelvevant trivial from the 90s when you are an engineer. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2579
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Posted - 2013.08.24 14:08:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Baaldor wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Ravn wrote:Oh you young-ins! Eve isn't about all that!
It's about your choices impacting the life of your character. Just like the real world! :-) Yes I agree, but I would like to have the choice to remove unwanted/unused skill points. And with that choice the consequence is that I will not be reimbursed the skill points for doing this. That makes absolutely no sense, so basically what is being asked here, is to allow someone to delete skills to satisfy their OCD? No, delete skills I have NO USE FOR and WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE FOR AGAIN. Example, CCP gave me Mining Lvl 2 when I created this character. This is a combat character, I have NO USE FOR this skill. When planet management first came out, I wanted to give it a try, you know something new, let's try it. I injected all 5 skills and trained each skill to lvl 4. After a few months, I decided that I did not like PI. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY USE AGAIN for these 5 skills. Should I be penalized for trying something new, then deciding that it is not for me? I do not mind losing the skill points & think I should lose the skill points for trying it. I just want to remove it from my skill sheet if I want too. Charge me a PLEX, if you/CCP thinks it is a vanity thing, like PLEX for Re-Sculpt. I am not sure where you are "penalized" for having it.
There are very, very few skills in this game that have a "drawback".
The Afterburner skill used to have a capacitor use drawback, but they fixed that. Warp Drive operation reduces the cap needed to warp, and could be considered a drawback if attempting to dump cap and make a precision short warp, but that is a very, very niche situation.
If you have many, many "extra" skills, it is possible they bump you to the next clone grade, but that is, again, a very rare thing, as you need to have an aweful lot of skillpoints to get you there, especially if you are a high skillpoint character.
There are two reasons for the "please let me remove skills" crowd: a.) OCD: b.) RP: You have a character that you want to be all amarr, but trained some minnie crap at a young age before you went all CVA and wish to remedy it for "RP" reasons.
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SaberRaptor Roxxors
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:42:00 -
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read the first 5-6 replies.. got boring.. I agree with poster.. should be able to reset skill points..
I also agree with everyone against it.. for old chars its way imba and would ruine the game.. thus, why not offer new players a chance to have a 1 time skill reset that expires after say.. 1 year?
ive put points into gunnery, shield, etc.. when im an armor tank..
before I learned about different tank styles and weaponry, I kind of just put all of a mish mash into everything.. its usefull, if I used it but never will.. now I know the game it would be nice to specialise more towards my hearts content now that I atleast know which direction to go. |
Elysia Hunter
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.18 05:50:00 -
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Okay, middle ground
Yearly opportunity to SHIFT a to-be-determined number or skill points from 1 skill to another.
This is remove from skills and add that to skills with a capacity on the number of movable points.
I'm thinking 25000 to 50000 per year, no more.
IF Johnny plays the same toon for 5 years he could move X per year that's 5 times X
IF that were 25000 per year in five years he could move the points from mining on a PVP toon to something else and then shift some other around to fit his model. Want to move them back.. got to wait, sorry. No GM request for the adjustment, you reap what you sow until the next year.
NO IT WOULD NOT STACK YEAR ON YEAR. Whatever the value it would be always have its yearly amount no more. Use it or lose it.
But No Sorry, not allow him to totally revamp the toon every year.
Everyone wins, new and old. Allow the flexibility that experience and commitment to a toon should enable without super charging, no one gets super powers.
I see no reason to deny people the right to remove a skill, if they choose to lose the skill points. If they just want a "cleaner" character/skill tree. Some folks are that way. |
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:09:00 -
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I agree that finished skill training's should never be reset.
But, i would not mind if there was 1 per year reset of unfinished training's. For example i started training lvl5 of some ass-long skill, spent 2 days training it, and then decided i dont need it, and will never need it. And it is forever locked at those 10-20% progress. It does not happen often, but this does happens, and it would not grant anyone any significant amount of SP, maybe a half million total from all unfinished skills over the year.
But its no big of an issue in long run. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Makalu Zarya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
91
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:13:00 -
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no, no, no and no
oh did I mention?
NO |
Fuscus Exitium
Outer Ring Exploration Service
0
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Posted - 2013.10.16 20:04:00 -
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i want this so much think its a good thing
1 year = 10 skill reset free and if u want more u can buy 1 plex = 5 skills reset |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
346
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:55:00 -
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Fuscus Exitium wrote:i want this so much think its a good thing
1 year = 10 skill reset free and if u want more u can buy 1 plex = 5 skills reset
This wasn't a good idea when this thread was started and what do you know......it still isn't. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
992
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Posted - 2013.10.17 15:53:00 -
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No. The Tears Must Flow |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12103
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Posted - 2013.10.18 09:49:00 -
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ArmyOfMe
0mega. Phobia.
182
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:41:00 -
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Im all for it. (as long as the feature costs about 500bill) |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
183
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Posted - 2013.10.20 03:47:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Im all for it. (as long as the feature costs about 500bill)
... per single SP.
I'm all for the idea of people moving Skills where ever they want. Just not for EVE.
I can predict consequences of nightmarish proportions. And I'm not even psychic.
And on the idea of letting people wipe SP's: CCP would start getting so many "oh noes I clicked wrong, lost Carrier V please fix" even if there was 5 screens to say "Do you really want to do that?" just because they have a cat that is awesome at just hitting the "Y" key".
Such an idea has lots of potential, but it's got far more dangers, don't see why CCP would risk it. I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
343
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Posted - 2013.10.21 14:40:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote: I can predict consequences of nightmarish proportions. And I'm not even psychic.
And on the idea of letting people wipe SP's: CCP would start getting so many "oh noes I clicked wrong, lost Carrier V please fix" even if there was 5 screens to say "Do you really want to do that?" just because they have a cat that is awesome at just hitting the "Y" key".
Such an idea has lots of potential, but it's got far more dangers, don't see why CCP would risk it.
CCP places warning popups all thru out the game to insure you understand the consequences of your actions. If you ignore them, then it is your fault & not CCP's & you are stuck with it.
It's like me saying to CCP. "oh noes I clicked the wrong button, I jumped my Titan instead of hitting the bridge to button, CCP please give me my Titan back" - Would CCP give my titan back?
It's like me saying to CCP. "oh noes I clicked the wrong button, I jumped into lowsec and a gate camp blew up my officer fitted CNR, CCP please give me my CNR back" - Would CCP give my CNR back?
CCP already gets thousands of whinners putting in petitions for their stupid mistakes. So nothing new to them, they are use to it. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Lyra Gerie
Bareback Pornstars Carthage Empires
1
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:05:00 -
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Eve is real. This is the motto of the game, or one of them. Like real life you can't reallocate your time once it is spent. I learned to ride a bike when i was 7 or so. I havent rode a bike in 3 or 4 years. I can't go back and reallocate my time to learn something I would find useful now like coding C++ or learning dreamweaver or other fancy computer tech.
It sucks but the idea is to get players for the long haul anyways and in relatively short order those 2.5m skill points will be dwarfed. Besides if you did something like this now players would swap entire roles over night or push their skills further with no time investment.
Besides, one day you might find those skill points useful. Just how if I ever get off my ass and take my bike to the gas station to fill the tires with air I might ride it again. |
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