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Amilius Antonius
Malkys INC.
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:45:00 -
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Hello Eve Gate I thought it would be nice to have a thread for people to recommend guides for making ISK in eve online. This would help me but I think this can also help a lot of other players if there are enough suggestions! Right now I have the question of how do you make a substantial amount of isk from mining? Now if any other players need a guide like this post here and ask I bet someone will want to reply and help out! |
Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:16:00 -
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Amilius Antonius wrote:I thought it would be nice to have a thread for people to recommend guides for making ISK in eve online. Make microprocessors pre patch, sell (or refine) after Odyssey when they require new materials.
Buy liquid ozone, then camp nullsec ice systems with an AFK cloaker after Odyssey.
You're welcome.
How to make a substantial amount of isk mining? Define substantial, otherwise you might not like the responses you'll get. |
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:18:00 -
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Simply put, you don't. You can multibox miners but at the end of the day you're still only making 8-10 million ISK per character per hour. |
Jasfer Endashi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 06:39:00 -
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Amilius Antonius wrote: how do you make a substantial amount of isk from mining?
As Alyssa said, you don't. Mining is slow but steady income.
The way to make a substantial amount of ISK by mining is to mine for a long time.
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:01:00 -
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Mining is more like residual income than a serious profession. The ISK/Hour is abysmal and no self-respecting player should live on it.
It serves a very particular niche for me; at-keyboard mining whilst talking across several channels and making extensive use of all of the 'remote management' skills. The income is extremely negligible but the alternative to that for me is to do the same activities from within a station so I figure 'Eh.' Mining is roughly as intensive as sitting in station, anyway.
You can make some decent ISK from multiboxing a medium-sized fleet, but at that point you're having to do so much micromanagement that it hardly seems worthwhile. I'd rather fill the Manufacturing slots of 20 characters and then simply not mine and suffer that opportunity cost, than fill the Manufacturing slots of 20 characters and then spend the time the jobs are running managing a mining fleet.
Short story:
Disregard a job as a career miner if you're serious about Industry or Trade at all.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:05:00 -
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I mine when I have writing to do (reports, articles or thesis). I can pay enough attention to EVE while writing to manage a miner, but nothing more complex than that. Better than sitting in station or logging out. |
Rebekkah Arcos
Caldari Transit Authority
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:26:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:I mine when I have writing to do (reports, articles or thesis). I can pay enough attention to EVE while writing to manage a miner, but nothing more complex than that. Better than sitting in station or logging out.
That pretty much defines my mining activity to a "T." Work on a paper while hauling ore every once in a while, with just enough of the client window visible to see the overview.
I find mining boring when I'm actively playing, but it's ok in semi-afk mode. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:30:00 -
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How do you make a substantial amount of money digging ditches?
Because miners are basically the ditch-diggers of Eve.
(The correct answer is, "Be the final boss of the ditch digger's union and steal member dues." ). |
Hassel Leet
New Rules
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:38:00 -
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Multiboxing miners gives me a net yield of ~30 mil per account/hour.
I have 5 miners, 1 orca pilot and one freighter pilot.
I do this in a remote highsec system, and it suits me fine :)
Altho it might be a bit boring to mine with 1 account, Id like to point out that it is an entierly diffrent story when mining with my 7 accounts.
Just my 0.5 isks. |
Mission Domino
End-of-Line
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:43:00 -
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Mine while you watch TV or are doing some other task. it's not hard to do and you can typically support your pvp char fairly easily by mining a few times a week. |
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Mulani Askiras
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 22:30:00 -
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er, my mining hydra of 9 miners + 1 orca + 1 hauler brings in 25-30m/hr per miner account. That's 250-270m hourly for you nonmath nuts. I can pay a teensy tinsey fee to red frog to haul to jita and barely cut in to any profit.
I'm a masochist. I enjoy popping 27 rocks at a time. Clearly it's not something you can do afk to maximize your isk/hr so yes it's not a semi-afk kind of job given that out of 27 rocks you're going to be micro'ing something every few seconds. About 20 hrs of my game time each month goes towards account plexing and the rest just goes in to the trade machine.
Sure, I could sit in the station and trade all day (i only do it for 20~ minutes) but I enjoy stripping ore belts. Dunno why. I just do. I'm looking forward to moving to null in the near future and taking the mining hydra to some indy class systems and pumping up the levels ;D |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:40:00 -
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Mulani Askiras wrote: I'm a masochist. I enjoy popping 27 rocks at a time. Clearly it's not something you can do afk to maximize your isk/hr so yes it's not a semi-afk kind of job given that out of 27 rocks you're going to be micro'ing something every few seconds. About 20 hrs of my game time each month goes towards account plexing and the rest just goes in to the trade machine.
To be fair, still sounds more interesting than Ratting/Missions.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Jasfer Endashi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:14:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:How do you make a substantial amount of money digging ditches? Because miners are basically the ditch-diggers of Eve. (The correct answer is, "Be the final boss of the ditch digger's union and steal member dues." ).
Or dig ditches for the rich and stupid.
Though to be honest I don't really know how that translates to Eve.
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:32:00 -
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Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:Simply put, you don't. You can multibox miners but at the end of the day you're still only making 8-10 million ISK (a bit more if you mine the high yield) per character per hour.
Depends on where you do it. In a WH, the last time I checked, mining high-grades paid 28mil per hour per mining ship, which is already 84 mil per hour for the tripple boxing I usually do, which I can then tripple again after that by making those minerals into T2 stuff to re-sell.
So if you look at the entire chain from mining to selling then mining/manufacturing is good business.
And like every other way of making isk in EVE, duplication duplication duplication. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:23:00 -
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Amilius Antonius wrote:Hello Eve Gate I thought it would be nice to have a thread for people to recommend guides for making ISK in eve online.
Well.... I don't know much about some ways of making isk but I've been able to make money from the following activities at one time or other
- Ratting. Pays well in nullsec - Missions. Pay fairly well if you use level 4 and 5 agents - Killing sleepers in WH's. Pays well if you have the isk to invest in decent ratting ships - Plexing. Can be time intenstive but the payday can be quite good.
- Mining / manufacturing. Utlimately pays about double what ratting does in terms of isk/hr of effort once you know what you're doing. - PI. Pays well if you have access to good planets. - Reactions. Pays well if you can moon-mine one of the components you need. Pays very well if your moon is a good one. - Gas mining. Pays well in certain gas sites - Market trading/transport. Time intensive until you have some isk to leverage and a (jump) freighter but can pay right proper profits once you're able to invest in some hair brained schemes. This activity alone is worthy of it's own thread since there are so many ways to make money from trading/transport - Character trading
Things I've never tried but I hear can pay well:
- Incursions - FW LP farming - scamming / stealing. for example, I know someone whose main source of income is to infiltrate (wormhole) corps and steal their stuff - high-sec ganking (time intensive but can pay a big payday if you're lucky)
Things that don't pay overly well but people still do them:
- Level 1, 2 or 3 missions unless you're grinding them to get level 4 and 5 agents - courier contracts unless you can pick up in the station where you are and drop off in the station where you're going - ratting anywhere in high-sec or low-sec - ice mining in high-sec *unless* you're doing it in afk mode and only checking once per hour to see if you hold is full. The isk/hr is abysmal unless you're doing something else for 58 minutes of that hour. - "Helping" people, which usually translates into you doing the work and them getting the isk. - (ninja) salvaging. Salvaging can actually pay reasonably well in null-sec if you're working with someone who is ratting and doesn't want the wrecks but it's a lot of clicking.
In any case, I would strongly advise to try every way you can think of to make isk so you know how the mechanics work and then settle on a couple of things for a while, trading off for something new every now and then. It really helps to keep your game fresh when you have a new goal (learn how something works) or a change of pace.
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:48:00 -
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The beautiful thing is, I can still think of more ways to make ISK and there are several categories (like Trade, Scamming) which can be broken down into many more concise sub-categories.
And that's the thing about EVE, OP; I'd be more concerned with figuring out how to monetize what you enjoy, or how how to execute a plan that'll make ISK, then finding the activity that produces the best ISK/h. The most important thing is to find what you enjoy and carve out your niche.
I will probably go into booster production in the future. Not necessarily to produce any good ISK, just because I like the idea of being an internet spaceship drug baron. Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:37:00 -
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Hassel Leet wrote:Multiboxing miners gives me a net yield of ~30 mil per account/hour.
I have 5 miners, 1 orca pilot and one freighter pilot.
I do this in a remote highsec system, and it suits me fine :)
Altho it might be a bit boring to mine with 1 account, Id like to point out that it is an entierly diffrent story when mining with my 7 accounts.
Just my 0.5 isks.
i'll second this. the more accounts you have, the less boring it becomes. especially if you're using hulks. |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:13:00 -
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Mining is very rewarding if you enjoy putting in little to no effort like me. |
Manny Moons
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:21:00 -
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It isn't too hard to find ways to make ISK. The hard part is finding a way to make ISK that you can do over and over and over without it seeming like working.
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Phook uquaz
StarTrucks
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:06:00 -
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my tuppence
I do 1 hour work buy a GTC sell and i make 1.2bill +/- 10%... then spend the rst of my time killing ****...
thats it really..
Eve is a game, dont work kill **** lose ships, smack talk, just do anything that doesn't feel like work... sent from my pc - Im not a **** and pretend im cool with sent from iphone. I DONT CARE WHERE YOU SEND YOUR SHITE FROM |
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Apaolo Miros
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:52:00 -
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If you break down any EVE activity and use PLEX prices as a exchange rate you will see you are earning about 70c per hour - if you are lucky. Better to earn $15 in RL and buy a plex.
OR, best advice I've seen on the subject:
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:... I'd be more concerned with figuring out how to monetize what you enjoy, or how how to execute a plan that'll make ISK, then finding the activity that produces the best ISK/h. ....
Manny Moons wrote:The hard part is finding a way to make ISK that you can do over and over and over without it seeming like working.
Brilliant posts, and very wise.
EVE, unlike many games, lets you make a living doing what you want to do. Take advantage of that. There's no grind worth the ISK except maybe AFK fleet ice mining in high sec because you can do house chores while you wait - but that's going away in a few days.
PS Tinu Moorhsum had a lot of nice suggestions |
Mulani Askiras
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:29:00 -
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At teh end of teh day, just remember it's not work as long as you are doing an ingame activity you enjoy no matter if 80% of the playerbase hates your particular enjoyable activity ;D |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.24 13:56:00 -
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Oops, just realized this has become a bit "wall-of-text", so for the TL;DR crowd, sorry and feel free to skip.
This is just what I have been screwing around with, centered around doing something totally different as well, as unfortunately, all games in general are getting a tad same-ish for me these days.
(A) I use when in chats a lot, usually save up storyline combat missions for when I can be bothered later. (B) Is for days I just want to blow some NPC stuff up.
All my PvP right now is limited to a semi T2 fitted Incursus on an Alpha ALT clone with carefully assigned SP's and no implants, so this system makes plenty of money to keep buying more stuff to blow up and keeps losses to a minimal, while getting me some practice, also without messing up standings and sec status on my "proper" toons. It can also act as its own "scout" by flying in pods and getting back to a close by Med Station FAST when killed in a gatecamp It's quite funny telling people that try smack talking me, that the volley that just took me out cost more to them than my pod loss did.
I think real ISK is in WH's Sleepers, but I'd really like to skill up further and have a larger ISK pool as a fallback first.
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(A) Find a system that has multiple L4 Distro agents in close proximity, and fit out an industrial so it can fit around 30Km3 (which can cover up to 4 L4 loads of 7000m3 - as the odds of getting full 8000m3 FOUR TIMES are astronomical, 8000m3 being the max an L4 gives out) - and fly them around, as normally you'll be sent a max of 6 or so jumps, with at least 1 jump being off constellation.
You can grind 16 missions FAST, and either get a mission for an implant to sell, or an L4 combat mission that is usually unique compared to normal L4's and get very good rewards. Recently got 330 million ISK from Caldari Tags (quick sell) from 2x successive storyline missions killing tons of Caldari ships (with a separate combat toon, so don't care about standing losses)
For example in Caldari Space, look at Itamo/Mitsolen/Jatate, there's 6 L4 Distro Agents within 1 jump of each other, all in a dead end - meaning one direction to go, so limiting branching, perfect for a freighter, if available. Download and use the GARPA tool and use the "filter" to find concentrated agents in other parts of space.
Since doing a delivery is mostly flying with little clicking, it can be done with little interaction. Anyone scanning your cargo will leave you alone, and this also grinds up standing fast, as the L4 combat missions have gotten me 40% standing boost - have 6 in a row that did this - run the combat missions with a mission ALT, then collect with the distro runner toon). LP is slow, at around 600-1000 LP max per mission, but you're doing 4 of these every 15-20 minutes or so as many times you get multiple deliveries to the same remote station.
(B) Use the GARPA tool once again to find agents for L4 Security missions in close proximity. Fly agent to agent and accept ONLY high bounty kill missions (ie Angel Extravaganza), cancel and timeout the others. Run them, but don't complete. Re-run after DT, and do this for multiple days, complete only when close to dead line.
You could theoretically end up having AA "primed" in 4+ systems at once, and would be trivial to run in specially fitted ship.
I find that having a toon with a small selection of combat ships (and a Noctis) to fit exactly what the mission needs, speeds up the process - over say a single one like using a Machariel for everything - when you don't have really high SP, as sometimes a mission can be done in a shuttle or other fast ship in seconds (ie Recon 1/3). I massively overtank if watching a show, and go for gank when I'm paying full attention, but not very often as my connection is a tad flaky.
I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I was thinking of fitting an Orca (easy to fly after Odyssey patch) as a Mission Barge to move around station to station, with all my mission toolkit in it, that being ships (sub BS of course, module swap-outs (all my mission ships normally just carry a 120m3 with extra modules), and a dedicated Salvage Destroyer for cleanup. This system, to me, is the only way to keep mission running from being a bored-to-tears activity.
I have used a Rattlesnake - as I have decent drone/sentry skills - that's hard to kill when omnitank (800+) and pretty much impossible to kill when NPC faction tanked (1200+, which can go up to 1500+ with 3xT2 Purgers, and face it, people won't normally kill you for rigs that won't drop anyway) that can still put out 600-800 dps which seems fine to run missions. When the Cruise Missile changes comes in, it will be even better.
I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:08:00 -
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Apaolo Miros wrote:If you break down any EVE activity and use PLEX prices as a exchange rate you will see you are earning about 70c per hour - if you are lucky. Better to earn $15 in RL and buy a plex. OR, best advice I've seen on the subject: Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:... I'd be more concerned with figuring out how to monetize what you enjoy, or how how to execute a plan that'll make ISK, then finding the activity that produces the best ISK/h. .... Manny Moons wrote:The hard part is finding a way to make ISK that you can do over and over and over without it seeming like working.
Brilliant posts, and very wise. EVE, unlike many games, lets you make a living doing what you want to do. Take advantage of that. There's no grind worth the ISK except maybe AFK fleet ice mining in high sec because you can do house chores while you wait - but that's going away in a few days. PS Tinu Moorhsum had a lot of nice suggestions
Yes. This.
I've been playing EVE just to see all the little mechanics, and if that ever wears out, I'll just inject PLEX's and get that exploded in random PvP, and never missions or run PvE content again, unless of course a new patch adds something really cool to fiddle with, like .... FPS combat-exploration of space wrecks. DO YOU HEAR ME SEASEAPEA ???
And SERIOUSLY - why CCP has not ALREADY gotten in bed with the makers of Shattered Horizon is beyond me *facepalm*
I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Mari Hata
Main Street Crafts and Goods
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:58:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:(...) unless of course a new patch adds something really cool to fiddle with, like .... FPS combat-exploration of space wrecks. DO YOU HEAR ME SEASEAPEA ???
And SERIOUSLY - why CCP has not ALREADY gotten in bed with the makers of Shattered Horizon is beyond me *facepalm*
I approve of this.
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