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CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
35
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:47:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP.
Saying it over and over won't make it any more true, just stop. |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
185
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:47:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Leper ofBacon wrote:When your character gets to that age and you are still getting ganked you will realise how bad you are.
The real decider is numbers. Numbers = more SP = win. Not an exception. And I were not the gankee, I were the ganker. It's just eve has no PvP beyond SPvsSP formula is too annoying. Also, when I get that age, everyone would still get their SP, and my relative age would be still as low as it is now. Eve "PvP" is locked out forever for newer accounts.
So what you're really upset about is that you'll never catch up to my 140+ mil skill points. Anyways older toons do die to younger all the time. Your lack of any real PvP experience is proven by your whine. When you actually get a few years under you and figure out how SP actually works, you'll probably have forgotten you wrote this thread, which is good, because you'd be awful embarrassed by your youthful, uninformed ramblings. Eve PvP has as much to do with knowledge of the game, and even ability to improvise given unexpected situations, as it does with the character's SP progression.
Do please keep crying, though. Sweet, sweet youngling tears. |
Lexmana
953
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:48:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.
How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.
Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP. You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that). |
Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
94
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:50:00 -
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Feel free to spend several billion on a 100m sp + titan pilot and find out just how wrong you are. You are still going to suck just as bad as you do at the moment.
What matters in PVP is knowledge. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4167
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:51:00 -
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I've seen a lot better trolls on the subject.
5 noobs in frigates with 10mil skill pts. total between them.
vs.
1 vet in a BS or Maurader with 100mil skill pts.
=
Dead vet.
Or to put it another way, remember way back when Shrike lost a Titan, took one away from one of this people to replace it and then turned around and lost that one the next day?
The gentleman that uncloaked the first Titan and enabled the kill was a sharp eyed young man in his first week of play. I'm not just talking about the character he was on, I'm also talking about the player himself.
It's been said before, there are lots of people that share your opinion of what it takes to be succesful in EvE combat. You'll find them conveniently listed as death mails filling every killboard you care to check, regardless of the number of skill points they have accumulated. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:52:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.
How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.
Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP. You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that).
You can tell how old this account is, don't you? I though this before and it has been proven and proven again. More SP always wins. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6578
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:52:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:
Except piloting skills are skillpoints.
No piloting skills are piloting skills. SP has nothing at all to do with it. Whoever has more SP wins. Winner is said to have more piloting skills than the loser. So either they're the same or very closely related.
They are not related at all. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:54:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I've seen a lot better trolls on the subject.
5 noobs in frigates with 10mil skill pts. total between them.
vs.
1 vet in a BS or Maurader with 100mil skill pts.
=
Dead vet.
Was he even online at the moment?
Ranger 1 wrote:Or to put it another way, remember way back when Shrike lost a Titan, took one away from one of this people to replace it and then turned around and lost that one the next day? The gentleman that uncloaked the first Titan and enabled the kill was a sharp eyed young man in his first week of play. I'm not talking about the character he was on, I'm talking about the player himself. It's been said before, there are lots of people that share your opinion of what it takes to be succesful in EvE combat. You'll find them conveniently listed as death mails filling every killboard you care to check, regardless of the number of skill points they have accumulated.
As I said, accumulation of SP is pointless, because everyone is accumulating them and you can't catch up, ever. So, the only thing left for lower sp people is to ask "When eve is getting PvP?" |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
853
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:54:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Lexmana wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.
How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.
Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP. You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that). You can tell how old this account is, don't you? I though this before and it has been proven and proven again. More SP always wins. so a character having about 60mil SP just in science and industry will be able to beat a guy in a cruiser and 1/3rd of the SP?
I'd say good ol' chap, you be trolling, or you be stupid.
better yet, that means that me, with over 150 mil SP will be able to beat a titan with my mining barge!
HAH REVENGE OF THE CAREBEARS TAKE THAT! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Lexmana
953
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:56:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Lexmana wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.
How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.
Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP. You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that). You can tell how old this account is, don't you? I though this before and it has been proven and proven again. More SP always wins. I am sad to see that after a couple of years you haven't learned much. But, as I said, your milage will vary. Maybe you just need a few more years to understand the game ... |
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:56:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Lexmana wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant.
How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.
Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP. You are stating this things as they were facts. They are not. If you stick around for another week or year or so (your milage will vary) you will likely know what I mean. There is alot more than meets the eye at first glance in EVE. That is a fact (and you can quote me on that). You can tell how old this account is, don't you? I though this before and it has been proven and proven again. More SP always wins. so a character having about 60mil SP just in science and industry will be able to beat a guy in a cruiser and 1/3rd of the SP? I'd say good ol' chap, you be trolling, or you be stupid.
You may compare pvp xp as well, with the same result. More of them wins anyway.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8381
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:57:00 -
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Experience and knowledge > SP. Skill points are not a prerequisite for winning in PvP, knowing what your ship can and can't do, how to use that ship to its greatest effect are much much more important than some arbitrary SP total.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:57:00 -
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Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:57:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:I am sad to see that after a couple of years you haven't learned much. But, as I said, your milage will vary. Maybe you just need a few more years to understand the game ...
Formula of win is so simple there is nothing left to understand, and yes, it's outside of reach of anyone who's not a vet. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
854
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:57:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: You may compare pvp xp as well, with the same result. More of them wins anyway.
you're dealing in absolutes here, ergo you imply that a player witth a gazzilion SP will be able to kill a titan in a mining barge. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
186
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:59:00 -
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What an amazing killboard you have. You truly are knowledgable about this game. Your 0-1 record has clearly imbued you with a perfect grasp of thi...okay, I can't keep a straight face anymore.
Let's see your main. Show us your actual character, not your forum trolling alt. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4168
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:59:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I've seen a lot better trolls on the subject.
5 noobs in frigates with 10mil skill pts. total between them.
vs.
1 vet in a BS or Maurader with 100mil skill pts.
=
Dead vet. Was he even online at the moment? Ranger 1 wrote:Or to put it another way, remember way back when Shrike lost a Titan, took one away from one of this people to replace it and then turned around and lost that one the next day? The gentleman that uncloaked the first Titan and enabled the kill was a sharp eyed young man in his first week of play. I'm not talking about the character he was on, I'm talking about the player himself. It's been said before, there are lots of people that share your opinion of what it takes to be succesful in EvE combat. You'll find them conveniently listed as death mails filling every killboard you care to check, regardless of the number of skill points they have accumulated. As I said, accumulation of SP is pointless, because everyone is accumulating them and you can't catch up, ever. So, the only thing left for lower sp people is to ask "When eve is getting PvP?" Of course he is online twit. You really DON'T know anything about things work in EvE, do you... including how skill points work and how many actually apply in any given combat situation. Perhaps you should do some research on the issue, if only to make your painfully transparent trolling a bit more believable. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:59:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink. Killing a barge is no different from mining. No surprises, no counter-attack, and you can do afk miner ganks just as miners do afk mining. Why would someone consider it a kill is a mystery for me. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4021
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:01:00 -
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Confirming that pilots with 100mil SP and full faction set implants die just as easily as untrained bare clone forum alts.
SP means almost nothing in a game where there is a counter for almost any ship. I have killed BCs in an Incursus and ive watched in horror as people have gotten under my guns and pecked me to death. Ive seen pilots with 8 years of SP and full slaves die to a single dramiel pilotted by a 6 month old toon.
In eve there is a counter to almost every ship. Pilotting skill doesnt depend on SP, it depends on knowing what to fly, how to fly it and when to fly it. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
baltec1
Bat Country
6579
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:01:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink.
How about this gem? |
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Aida Nu
Nu Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:02:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink. Killing a barge is no different from mining. No surprises, no counter-attack, and you can do afk miner ganks just as miners do afk mining. Why would someone consider it a kill is a mystery for me.
Your brain is a mystery. |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
186
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:06:00 -
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Aida Nu wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink. Killing a barge is no different from mining. No surprises, no counter-attack, and you can do afk miner ganks just as miners do afk mining. Why would someone consider it a kill is a mystery for me. Your brain is a mystery. Sick burn. |
Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink. How about this gem?
Duh..clearly Marlona had more SP!
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
154
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:07:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:... More SP always wins. With 10M skill points (6 months) you can virtually max out all skills need for a Caldari Navy Hookbill. A player with 80M has no more ship advantage than you do... neither does one with 200M skill points.
There is an upper limit to the effect skill points can have on any type of ship.
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Evei Shard
174
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:09:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Maybe he doesnGÇÖt consider killing mining barges as valid pvp. If he doesnGÇÖt then I would have to agree. Others would not. Opinions are like arse holieos...every one has one and they all stink. Killing a barge is no different from mining. No surprises, no counter-attack, and you can do afk miner ganks just as miners do afk mining. Why would someone consider it a kill is a mystery for me.
You seem to come up with a lot of excuses as to why the situations provided here by other players are invalid to your lamenting of PvP.
I could bring up a particular instance in which I added T3 battelcruiser to my main's killboard, but I'm sure if you saw the e-mail you'd invalidate the whole thing because the Oracle was a PvE setup, am I right?
You are either trolling, or just don't belong in Eve. There is no "perfect" battle scenario in Eve. When you undock, you are accepting the possibility that you will die. Said death is very often brought about not by the skill points of the pilot against you, but by the *number* of pilots you are against. It may not always be blob warfare like some claim, but often times it is 3v1, 4v1, or 5v1. 2v1 is lucky, 1v1 is a lottery moment, especially if your ships are even remotely close enough to get into that mythical issue of skill points being the determining factor.
tl:dr Eve will never fit your narrow view of "fair" PvP, because Eve is not fair. Profit favors the prepared |
baltec1
Bat Country
6579
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:09:00 -
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Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:Duh..clearly Marlona had more SP!
Makes you wonder why badgers arnt killing more. I mean, I know of at least two battleships that have died to iterons. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
854
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:Duh..clearly Marlona had more SP! Makes you wonder why badgers arnt killing more. I mean, I know of at least two battleships that have died to iterons. yes, where are the badgers killing titans? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1890
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:16:00 -
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I keep veering between "must be a troll, he can't be this dumb" and "this is Eve-O, of COURSE he could be this dumb". Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Whiskey Leo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:21:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.
Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.
So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?
It is only real PvP when you win |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
854
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:22:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:tl:dr Eve will never fit your narrow view of "fair" PvP, because Eve is not fair.
maybe he's one of those that carries a tank of honour in his ships.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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