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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
441
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:12:00 -
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9mio SP pilot (w/o thermodynamic skills) kills lots of stuff: Born Imbalanced German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
baltec1
Bat Country
6594
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:29:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:
I'm not clueless about eve, it's just eve is clueless about pvp. As a matter of fact, it doesn't have any. As I said, i'm not going to quit - too much invested to just dump it. But eve is extremely boring contentless game, so I gotta find a way to enjoy it. Which is near-impossible without player interaction, which in eve is extremely poor.
Given that you have never pvped that some rather clueless comments you are making. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
219
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:32:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.
Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.
So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?
Wait.... what? Are you kidding me?
<--- This toon has solo-killed an 03 account. You know even less about EVE PvP than I do. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Terra Khashour
Pink Bunnies Cartel.
3
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:41:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.
Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.
So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?
I think you are just poor at pvp and thats all, i know ppl whit 3m sp that learn very fast and they killing in kite heron players whit 60-70m sp.
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Abraham Nalelmir
FATAL Warfare
5
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:30 minutes into EVE and you be the guy who tackles a dreadnought.
One week into EVE and you can be in a logi ship and loved by your freinds.
2 weeks into EVE and you can be the guy who just ganked a hauler with a billion in the hold.
And so on.
I can confirm this! Got a funny ******** story when I started and wanted to go PVP But I can proudly say now I'm the BEST in ECM because I can (almost) perma-jam a 10 years old toon and keep him pointed until my noobish 2 weeks old toons back up arrive and start chewing his armor or wiping his shields
It is sucks to have low SP yes, but when you focus that low SP in somewhere you can shine it it, then you might be better than 10 years old 450 million SP toon (if that ever exists)
just saying Newbie?, want to shoot ships? see here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169575 |
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
65
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:26:00 -
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Truly, the 10m SP I have invested in Science and Industry has been an insurmountable advantage in frigate brawls. All comers were defeated - With Science! |
Kasper Elbo
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:01:00 -
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Ok.. I know lot of people has covered this subject now and all that can be said has probably been said already..
One thing I still remember from when I started playing eve back in '09 and were doing my first real pvp were the following scenario. I were in a drake in low sec, flying from belt to belt killing rats. At that point I had no idea what so ever about how to find fights and what to expect so I just assumed that I would run into someone sooner or later and then I could as well make some isk in the mean time. I did at some point meet someone and the ship I met was a frigate, although I dont remember which one specifically. This is where your thesis gets proven wrong. We were both pvp fit, and I managed to get scram and webs on the frigate so that I were able to control range. I died though but the frigate were in half structure. Only then I found out that I had forgotten to launch drones, which most likely would have killed the frigate before I had been killed. I dont know which of us had the most SP, but that doesnt matter in this situation, because of this:
1. Frigate had more SP: He killed me yes.. but what would have happened if I had remembered my drones? He would have been killed, so in that case it was my piloting mistake that killed me and I would have won if only I had more experience in using my ship to its full extent. 2. I had the most SP: In that case I think I've already pointed out that I were the one who died. I could have won if I had used my drones, but that was a piloting error and not a SP error. Now I know you will say that it just proves that if I had been using my ship probably and not broken your formula it would still be true, but what if he had been a better pilot then and made sure that he didnt get into my scram and web range and had been able to control distance and thereby limit the incoming dps from the missiles and drones? then he would most likely have won even if I too had made the better choice of using my drones.
No matter who had the most SP in this fight it was all decided by who made the worst mistakes. I did in this case but it was not my SP that limited me and made me die. It was my lack of pvp experience that made me overlook the fact that I could have used my drones. It was too his bad judgement of keeping a too tight orbit, that allowed me to pulse my mwd and get scram and webs on him. Nothing to do with SP.
I know most people have very similar examples of close fights where the outcome were decided by someones mistake at using their ship. that in itself proves your theory wrong. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:11:00 -
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11 pages based on a troll. Pretty good.
Btw. OP, if it came to combat between you and me in PvP, I would bet you as the winner. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Titus Black
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:25:00 -
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This account is from 2008 and I have 16m SP.
Problem OP? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3227
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:56:00 -
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K:D is completely meaningless. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
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LordSwift
Wrabble Wrousers The Rejects.
7
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:57:00 -
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I have over 100mil sp and i suck. so no your argument does not hold merit. its all to do with either numbers, how well u fit your ship and skill. Mal: "If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em. "
Zoe: "Shoot 'em?"
Mal: "Politely." |
Ka Minatu
Not Solitude Again Solitude Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:01:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious :D
Btw even numbers are no valid criteria for winning, ask the 250 BS Fleet ****** up by arround 40 SBs |
Bruce Kemp
Relentless Force That Escalated Quickly
41
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:13:00 -
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Ah, it all becomes clear.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
988
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:17:00 -
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specializing is the key.
3 alts, 3 main weapon types, 2 tank types
If you want to be amazing in every ship you need alot of sp.
to be good in one, you just need to focus!
simples!
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Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
81
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:21:00 -
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At 560k SP, I took down a much older char in an, admittedly shitfit, Typhoon. I was in a rifter.
Choosing your own fight and keeping it on your terms is much more important than SP. |
Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:23:00 -
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What you don't understand about pvp in this game is this. It's not about the sp as a whole. Because when you fly a ship. Your only using the sp in that ship,guns,mods,ammo,drones. Etc etc. at best most pilots are using say 5-9msp at any given time. So then pvp comes down to tactics,skill,calm under pressure and some. This defines pvp as a whole. CCP has captured pvp in its most raw and pure form, without the common pvp model most games use. I.e your theory of pvp. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
155
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:27:00 -
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I know characters with olny 6 mil SP that have kicked the asses of many characters 40+ mil. Its not all about SP, most of the time its situational awareness, knowing who you can and cant fight. EVE is progressive, you are rewarded in time through more points to fly better ship...the same ******* thing in every other MMO...the more time that is put into it, the better the rewards.
What you are asking for is the ability to fight a 40+ sp pvp vet in a rifter with your merlin and 3 mil sp and be able to kick his ass 40% of the time....no.
If you know the game, know your ship, your abilities, and you are aware of some limitations, then you will find pvp is very much not a broken system. If you still feel it is, sorry but you are alone in that conclusion. About 90% of eve players dont think so. Noobs have their places in the great order of fleet battles. Who the **** are you to come in 30-180 day old toon and expect to get the GOOD positions in fleet because you think its unfair otherwise. You flippin earn your way into DPS and Command positions, they arent handed out. Unfortunately that means you wil die a lot doing logi and tackle. It is the way of things and if you don't like it, perhaps EVE isnt for you. |
Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:36:00 -
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The only thing I, personally, feel is missing in Eve is the ability to really use the "terrain" on grid, i.e. hiding behind asteroids/stations, etc, but I'm sure there are a lot of good reasons why this is a bad idea - And most likely a whole host of bittervets who will be delighted to have an opportunity to tell me how much of a scrub/noob I am for thinking that :D |
Regis Solo
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:48:00 -
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I try PVP but I'm abysmal at it. I'll keep trying though. |
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
54
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:00:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever.
Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping.
So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP?
RIght, I am going to assume your 100million SP is on Science and Indy and never actually pvp-ed when you had like 1million SP. I have had younger players kill me on ocassion, many less SP than I do. In groups, newbies are deadly and no matter wtf SP you have you will die.
Back in the day, my first kill was 4 mths in, and I was killing players 2 years into EVE. In conclusion, your conjecture is false and misleading. |
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Julius Rigel
96
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:02:00 -
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50m points in frigates, and I still get bodied by some rookie in a cruiser with a point and a web who spent a week practicing actual combat.
That's why I stick to something I'm good at, like racing, rather than complaining about things that I could easily fix myself, such as learning to fight. Do YOU like to undock? |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
139
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:10:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:You're wrong. No. Yes. :) There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
793
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:48:00 -
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Eve Pvp isn't about Sp. It's about who has the bigger blob, neutral reppers and Dev alts.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
52444
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:51:00 -
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Go Home OP
Your Drunk.
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
5589
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:55:00 -
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Le Badass wrote:The only thing I, personally, feel is missing in Eve is the ability to really use the "terrain" on grid, i.e. hiding behind asteroids/stations, etc, but I'm sure there are a lot of good reasons why this is a bad idea - And most likely a whole host of bittervets who will be delighted to have an opportunity to tell me how much of a scrub/noob I am for thinking that :D
lol, It would make sense to have terrain affect how the game works. But unfortunately, however realistic that might be, it would make the game suffer greatly. |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
444
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:59:00 -
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Don't know how this lasted so long without a lock. Oh well, all bad threads must come to an end.
Locking this for ranting/trolling. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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