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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
103
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Posted - 2013.05.26 08:36:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:If you think having another wormhole opening up into your area is a bad thing I am guessing you don't know how to farm wormholes. 90% of my income comes from the wormhole next door, and not the wormhole I live in..
I bet you have people on-line with you as well. 99% of the time I'm on-line I'm the sole member of my alliance in the worm hole. Given the fact that solo PvP in a worm hole is almost always suicide (for me anyway), any sign of hostile's in my worm hole and I POS up and log off. More connections to my worm hole means a greater chance someone else being in there with me. I make enough ISK from PI to cover my POS fuel bill so not running sites is not the end of the world but it does have a knock on effect with regards to the size of my wallet. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Talocan United
1233
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Posted - 2013.05.26 08:59:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:I bet you have people on-line with you as well. 99% of the time I'm on-line I'm the sole member of my alliance in the worm hole.
I...think I see the real problem here... http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Chopper Rollins
Sky Prey
211
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Posted - 2013.05.26 09:15:00 -
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Null resident here, last couple of weeks there's been a rash of WHs so much that our alliance database isn't being updated enough. So occasionally we get PVP gang come in from a WH. i smacked one group so hard from inside a station that they all put millions on my bounty, reinforcing the notion that WH residents are super rich, love to win but hate to play if they can't win. Another group scouted our carebears, swarmed in with tech3 gang and ecm and logi, immediately ran away from our HD fleet, then dropped archon reps to fight the few BCs we sent in after em. Seriously, these new numerous visit holes are making some of you look bad. Stay out of null if you just want to smash carebears and stragglers.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
171
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Posted - 2013.05.26 14:57:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Null resident here, last couple of weeks there's been a rash of WHs so much that our alliance database isn't being updated enough. So occasionally we get PVP gang come in from a WH. i smacked one group so hard from inside a station that they all put millions on my bounty, reinforcing the notion that WH residents are super rich, love to win but hate to play if they can't win. Another group scouted our carebears, swarmed in with tech3 gang and ecm and logi, immediately ran away from our HD fleet, then dropped archon reps to fight the few BCs we sent in after em. Seriously, these new numerous visit holes are making some of you look bad. Stay out of null if you just want to smash carebears and stragglers.
Can I has access to database? I wants to smash faces too. Anything that will shorten the number of jumps I gotta do to find idiots in shiny ships is a win for me. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
127
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:16:00 -
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/me pulls out the popcorn
Interesting discussion chaps. I know just the other day we had two K162s to highsec, definately a rare occurrence. Wspace sure is mysterious. James Arget for CSM 8! Wormholes and the Player Perspective
http://csm.fcftw.org |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Talocan United
1238
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:26:00 -
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James Arget wrote:/Wspace sure is mysterious.
Bob's ways are not our ways. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
145
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:08:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Null resident here, last couple of weeks there's been a rash of WHs so much that our alliance database isn't being updated enough. So occasionally we get PVP gang come in from a WH. i smacked one group so hard from inside a station that they all put millions on my bounty, reinforcing the notion that WH residents are super rich, love to win but hate to play if they can't win. Another group scouted our carebears, swarmed in with tech3 gang and ecm and logi, immediately ran away from our HD fleet, then dropped archon reps to fight the few BCs we sent in after em. Seriously, these new numerous visit holes are making some of you look bad. Stay out of null if you just want to smash carebears and stragglers.
Can I has access to database? I wants to smash faces too. Anything that will shorten the number of jumps I gotta do to find idiots in shiny ships is a win for me.
2nd that... I mean really 50+ jumps through null roaming to only kill a rifter. That sucked LOL.
Also, bolded the important part that gave me a chuckle. Please continue to tell us how tough you are inside your station mr Nullseccer :) CCP please consider hats as a clothing option for our spaceship barbies.-á
Artist impression of what this could potentially be http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t66/ROBC5Z06/sithsig_zps86971c83.jpg |
Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
55
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:33:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:If you think having another wormhole opening up into your area is a bad thing I am guessing you don't know how to farm wormholes. 90% of my income comes from the wormhole next door, and not the wormhole I live in.. I bet you have people on-line with you as well. 99% of the time I'm on-line I'm the sole member of my alliance in the worm hole. Given the fact that solo PvP in a worm hole is almost always suicide (for me anyway), any sign of hostile's in my worm hole and I POS up and log off. More connections to my worm hole means a greater chance someone else being in there with me. I make enough ISK from PI to cover my POS fuel bill so not running sites is not the end of the world but it does have a knock on effect with regards to the size of my wallet. Even living in a C2 alone I still ran my C1 static sites. Yes you lose a ship now and then (Mostly your noctis when a random SB comes by, but I still made more then the cost of POS fuel and the 2 ships i lost in the 6 months I lived solo in my C2.
Wormholes were made to be a new risk when they came out. If you don't stick your neck out you never get fed. Granted I have lived in wormholes since my character was a month old. I was invited into a corp who lived in a C4 with a static C5. So risk and PvP was around me since the start. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
462
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:57:00 -
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Could this be real?
Would be interesting to see if the people who noticed more connections live in a specific class. I haven't seen significantly more connections to our c6.
And for that k162 that appeared during downtime: Someone could have scanned it before downtime, but only bookmarked the signature. Then after DT he immediately logged in and warped to it. So he could be sure to be the one who triggered it. I sometimes do this when scanning a new wh shortly before DT, that way you have a chance to surprise someone in the newly triggered system and at any rate they don't have a chance to be at the hole before you. . |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
165
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Posted - 2013.05.27 05:40:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Could this be real? Would be interesting to see if the people who noticed more connections live in a specific class. I haven't seen significantly more connections to our c6. And for that k162 that appeared during downtime: Someone could have scanned it before downtime, but only bookmarked the signature. Then after DT he immediately logged in and warped to it. So he could be sure to be the one who triggered it. I sometimes do this when scanning a new wh shortly before DT, that way you have a chance to surprise someone in the newly triggered system and at any rate they don't have a chance to be at the hole before you.
Or, alternatively, just before DT, he warped to the WH when there was about 5 seconds left on the clock, so he'd be on the newly spawned WH as soon as DT ended, and able to jump through and cloak up in the next system over before anyone could possibly get eyes on the new K162.
Er, rereading your post again I see we're saying the exact same thing, give or take.
my bad. |
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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
142
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Posted - 2013.05.27 08:29:00 -
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So i give also my 2 cent to this thread,
Normaly, i post only in the german forum.
i life since 2011 in WH-Space. And i can say, on the moment everything is more or less normal. We get more K162 WH on the end of the Week. Fr- Sun we have Normaly 3 - 4 Wormholes. Under the Week,we got our Static and from time to time a K162.
Also the spawn rate of sites and signatures are increased on weekends.
I heared rumors, in the german forum, that CCP Soundwave said, he has plans to nerf WH system. Can someone give me more details on that ?
Sorry for my english, i am not a natural speaker
best regards
Kira Hhallas Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
462
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Posted - 2013.05.27 09:13:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:I heared rumors, in the german forum, that CCP Soundwave said, he has plans to nerf WH system. I don't know if or what Soundwave has said, but I'm sure he didn't use the word "nerf". So you should include your opinion of what would be a nerf to wh space. . |
ProbeAlt2
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.05.27 09:18:00 -
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that what I noticed and that the majority have responded on this forum, there is a significant and regular Augementation of wormholes (I mean of course inter-connections wormholes) I think it is a nerf,
but why ?
because the majority of wormhole corporation is small groups of 10-20 players and bind us one to another, although each has its own interests coproration, it'll create a situation of perpetual struggle
Example I lived and I've seen, it's simple, any corporation we probed and they probed us too. did not fight did not make pve. they were just watching us and we even
that is why I think it is a nerf.
this is the strategy of chains (linking people has different interests to play together. inevitably leads to conflicts and incapacity to do anything itself)
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
462
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:13:00 -
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ProbeAlt2 wrote:it'll create a situation of perpetual struggle And the problem with a situation of perpetual struggle in null security space is...?
ProbeAlt2 wrote:
Example I lived and I've seen, it's simple, any corporation we probed and they probed us too. did not fight did not make pve. they were just watching us and we even
So you are cowardly carebears and you met other cowardly carebears, and both of you cowered down, trembling in fear of each other. Pathetic. . |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
142
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:41:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Kira Hhallas wrote:I heared rumors, in the german forum, that CCP Soundwave said, he has plans to nerf WH system. I don't know if or what Soundwave has said, but I'm sure he didn't use the word "nerf". So you should include your opinion of what would be a nerf to wh space.
So that i said i need more information. "Rumors" = Ger++chte. i never directly quote him. My last information was from the forum that CCP Soundwave talked about that WH are to easy are to defend. So thats why i asked, if some has more information. Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
Chester Floyd
Balkan Xpress Talocan United
18
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Posted - 2013.05.28 12:50:00 -
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ProbeAlt2 wrote: well how can we do sites if there 5 corporation right next door, that mean impossible to run sites, well that reduce significantly money income, which mean nerf of wromholes
I think you personally feel little nerfed |
DrBmN
Axial tilt
10
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:35:00 -
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We noticed also more K162s in our wh. Which is not soo bad i have to say XD
But still If there was a change of this sort we should be informed about this, dont you agree? |
Enthropic
Enthropic Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:42:00 -
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agreed. I also noticed a lot more K162s in our system, but thats maybe because more people play actively atm, in expectation of the summer uhm.. expansion.. I guess they call it.
but yeah, in case there was some change of sort in the mechanics of how WHs spawn or connect (which I doubt), we should be notified.. |
Kedv
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:21:00 -
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What if all WHs spawn on both sides now automatically, and not just during DT? I've noticed an influx of k162s too, with no one ever seemingly coming through them, or heck, no one even in the originating system, and we close them completely unopposed. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1399
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:44:00 -
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We seem to go on waves, having little activity for a period of time, and then having the wormhole look like Swiss cheese. So far every incoming k162 has been justified by someone coming through. And I am pretty certain there isn't any indication of k162's spawning automatically from inactive wormholes, as we still have our inactive static persist for days. |
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1913
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:45:00 -
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Kedv wrote:What if all WHs spawn on both sides now automatically, and not just during DT? They dont. I found 2 unspawned WHs last night when scanning. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
377
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Posted - 2013.05.31 07:52:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Euthanasia Anneto wrote:ProbeAlt2 wrote:
well how can we do sites if there 5 corporation right next door, that mean impossible to run sites, well that reduce significantly money income, which mean nerf of wromholes
Well, you can have up to 6 connections to your WH. So be glad it's only 5. You might be happy that probably 4 of them 5 might be carebears, so you could easily cycle those hole's and do your ratting. Personal record for number of holes connected to the same one is 12. 7 incoming and 5 outgoing.
~20. Single nullsec with NOTHING but C5 and C2 outbound connecting holes. Nobody opened them for weeks and they built up in that system in drone space. |
Cosmic Scanner
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
15
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:53:00 -
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Its just more people getting active at scanning, ive seen no change in wh mechanics. Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
468
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:59:00 -
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So this was just a Placebo Effect? People thought things had changed because an expansion is coming and things *could* have changed. How disappointing :(
And btw, changing things without telling us what exactly has changed would fit quite well with "unknown space", within reason. Changing wh mass without notice, so that people get stuck due to no fault of their own = bad. WH dwellers experiencing unexpected things because of stealth change to wh statics = good. . |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
182
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Posted - 2013.06.02 14:27:00 -
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how would increasing the roaming wormhole rate increasing player interaction a bad thing?
so many wormhole chains are just only statics with little/no branching |
Ston'd Ninja
Boats n Hos
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:07:00 -
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I farm 3 of the c3 wh's. 2 lowsec and 1 hisec. I have noticed an increase in the interconnections of the wh's. Everyone has good and bad days in wh space but when you log to farm 3 different wh's and 3 different fleets are farming them within 4 hours of each other when normal that happens random as could be maybe one a day or two but that just made me think! That's what i was researching on the forums to see what people thought and ran across this thread. Its a bit to much of a coincidence statistically for me personally. Just my 2 cents. Like the thread and the thoughts!! |
Sam Boom
The Avantgarde
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:06:00 -
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Just to share my own experience with 2 WHs. One of them is a K162 magnet. The other cycles, sometimes active sometimes not.
I have noticed the more often I login and am active in a WH the more likely a K162 will open. Also, running certain sites like Mags/Radars can cause a K162 to open up.
Likewise, when I get wormhole entrances from my WH's to another WH, always there are active players in that WH mining or farming sleepers or just transporting stuff.
From this I think that CCP wants player interaction in WH's and there appears to be preference to opening a WH to active (pilots are logged on doing something) WH space.
Other Notes: Theory: Black hole type WH's in my experience appear to attract far more openings that any other type of WH. Most active entrances at one time: 7 (took a screenshot) |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
470
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:49:00 -
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Sorry but that's all nonsense. You'd have to keep a log of all that happens in your systems for every day for at least a year to substantiate even one of your claims. Even then it would only provide a very limited sample of what happens in w-space at large.
You've simply fallen victim to well-known psychological mechanisms. You believe you always connect to active wormholes because those are the ones you remember, while the empty ones you quickly forget. . |
Joan Greywind
I Moan ALOT We Moan ALOT
6
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:31:00 -
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Posting a question like tisl almost always lead to a biased response.
From the information we have, wh spaws should be random. Now let us say the average is 3 wh spawns (totally arbitrary). That means that 50% people will get more and 50% will get less.
Now when you come to the forum the responses you get are mostly going to be from the 50% that actually got more, because if you had not gotten more you will be "less" inclined to reply.
I'm not saying the spawn rate didn't change, I'm just saying if it did this is one of the "worse" to find out. (the way the post was framed adds a lot to it) |
Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:42:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:ProbeAlt2 wrote:it'll create a situation of perpetual struggle And the problem with a situation of perpetual struggle in null security space is...? ProbeAlt2 wrote:
Example I lived and I've seen, it's simple, any corporation we probed and they probed us too. did not fight did not make pve. they were just watching us and we even
So you are cowardly carebears and you met other cowardly carebears, and both of you cowered down, trembling in fear of each other. Pathetic.
Not everything has to lead into conflict you know. Thats the beauty of EVE. |
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