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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.26 19:45:00 -
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the process is pretty simple, I want to purchase procurer from the market and sell them for the real manufacturing cost
* at the moment procurer trade 50% below manufacturing cost
* I will place pruchase orders for procures between 8 - 10 million
* I place sell orders for procures from 14 - 20 million
all money invested in my fund will only be used to pruchase procurers in the given range, as soon as the sell order are executed I will start returning the investment plus profit minus 10% fund management fee
the average profit for you should be arround 50%
timescale I predict 6-12 month however returns can start flowing earlier as well
* minimum investment 8 million and just one investment per character
* transaction should be made to my corp SpaceJunkys (I'm the only member with my alts so theft can not happen)
if you have more questions, please shoot me a mail
thanks Harry OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Singulaer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.05.26 20:09:00 -
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Good luck dude. "Do not attempt to live without vanity, since this is impossible, but choose the right audience from which to seek admiration." - Bertrand Russell |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:22:00 -
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Do you have collateral? Some plex perhaps
And, assuming you are right, why should I give you any of my money instead of buying the procurers myself? |
Aliventi
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:23:00 -
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I am not quite sure you understand the sheer magnitude of the amount of procurers that exist. There are tens of thousands of procurers on the market and many times that in people's hangers waiting to be resold. Don't think in days, weeks, or months of supply. Think in years of supply.
And to be honest why would I need you? If I wanted I could just buy a few thousand and resell them in 5+ years when the supply has dwindled.
Also, your entire strategy is under the assumption that mineral prices will stay the same. As CCP has proven with the drone poo and meta 0 items being removed from drops and their recent rebalanced of low/nullsec ores that rarely ever is the case. If CCP decides to change something in the future that lowers mineral prices you are screwed. Plan and simple. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:36:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:I am not quite sure you understand the sheer magnitude of the amount of procurers that exist. There are tens of thousands of procurers on the market and many times that in people's hangers waiting to be resold. Don't think in days, weeks, or months of supply. Think in years of supply.
And to be honest why would I need you? If I wanted I could just buy a few thousand and resell them in 5+ years when the supply has dwindled.
Also, your entire strategy is under the assumption that mineral prices will stay the same. As CCP has proven with the drone poo and meta 0 items being removed from drops and their recent rebalanced of low/nullsec ores that rarely ever is the case. If CCP decides to change something in the future that lowers mineral prices you are screwed. Plan and simple.
I calculated through everything, including how many procurer die each month, production at this cost is at zero, but it is ok if you do not invest, thanks OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:03:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: I calculated through everything, including how many procurer die each month, production at this cost is at zero, but it is ok if you do not invest, thanks
And how did you do that? |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:19:00 -
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the problem is, some one has 34K procurers still in his hanger, Mynnna... cough...
greedy little man. |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:47:00 -
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So 50% profit over 12 months is 4.17%/month. Sounds awesome.
No collateral sounds even better. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1209
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Posted - 2013.05.27 05:03:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/
With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:56:00 -
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mynnna wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/ With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all
over a thousand procurers blowup each month, there are sites to check that, bigger investors will not sell at the price at the moment, you can check that as well, investors start selling at 14 million with high volume, we reach the 14 million within 6 month calculating the sales orders and taking the busted procurers each month into consideration, but like mentioned, no need for anybody to invest in my fund if you are not convinced, I however will move forward like mentioned... OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3421
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Posted - 2013.05.27 08:26:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:mynnna wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/ With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all over a thousand procurers blowup each month, there are sites to check that, bigger investors will not sell at the price at the moment, actualy investors start selling at 14 million with higher volume, you can see this looking at the sales orders on the market, we reach the 14 million within 6 month calculating the sales orders and taking the busted procurers each month into consideration, but like mentioned, no need for anybody to invest in my fund if not convinced, I however will move forward like mentioned...
You seem to be assuming that all extant Procurer stockpiles are sitting on the open market. What basis do you have for that (assuredly incorrect) assumption? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 08:58:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Harry Forever wrote:mynnna wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/ With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all over a thousand procurers blowup each month, there are sites to check that, bigger investors will not sell at the price at the moment, actualy investors start selling at 14 million with higher volume, you can see this looking at the sales orders on the market, we reach the 14 million within 6 month calculating the sales orders and taking the busted procurers each month into consideration, but like mentioned, no need for anybody to invest in my fund if not convinced, I however will move forward like mentioned... You seem to be assuming that all extant Procurer stockpiles are sitting on the open market. What basis do you have for that (assuredly incorrect) assumption?
not all procurer who blowup are shown on the killboards either, so they make up for that, however if they are not put on the market because investors wait for a better price, then those are not a problem for my plan OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1122
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Posted - 2013.05.27 09:27:00 -
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oh man, this guy sure does deliver....
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.27 13:32:00 -
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I see no reason to not thrust my money in this venture. |
ngaly
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.27 15:35:00 -
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Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer people a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party. |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1122
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Posted - 2013.05.27 16:05:00 -
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ngaly wrote:Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party.
You haven't read OP's other threads eh .... that line will tickle him in a bad bad way.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 17:14:00 -
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ngaly wrote:Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party.
this is only for people who are convinced it works, therefore no collateral needed, if you need to offer collateral for your investment ideas, then it is only a sign that you do not believe in it yourself... unsecure investors who are not confident in this matter should not invest in the first place
no share on the stock maket offers collateral, there as well you just invest if you feel confident OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1122
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Posted - 2013.05.27 18:28:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:ngaly wrote:Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party. this is only for people who are convinced it works, therefore no collateral needed, if you need to offer collateral for your investment ideas, then it is only a sign that you do not believe in it yourself... unsecure investors who are not confident in this matter should not invest in the first place no share on the stock maket offers collateral, there as well you just invest if you feel confident
AH yes makes sense ,
So if i ask a 200 B loan for bpo research then i would not need to offer collateral because the investors would know that allways works.
Good to know , my notepad is getting filled with your idea's on a daily base now.Soon i will be as succesfull as you ... i hope.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Sabre Rolf
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.27 18:34:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: all money invested in my fund will only be used to pruchase procurers in the given range, as soon as the sell order are executed I will start returning the investment plus profit minus 10% fund management fee
So if I had too much isk and I-¦d really think this is a good idea, why I just dont use the said ISK to buy the procurers myself and relist them on my own?
even if this wouldnt be to most obvious scam attempt ever, why would anyone give you the isk instead? |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 18:45:00 -
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Sabre Rolf wrote:Harry Forever wrote: all money invested in my fund will only be used to pruchase procurers in the given range, as soon as the sell order are executed I will start returning the investment plus profit minus 10% fund management fee
So if I had too much isk and I-¦d really think this is a good idea, why I just dont use the said ISK to buy the procurers myself and relist them on my own? even if this wouldnt be to most obvious scam attempt ever, why would anyone give you the isk instead?
because i do the trading for them, you will also need to move around those ships and stuff, its a service for the lazy investor, just for those who have so much money they do not find time or opportunities anymore, however if you think my points are valid I'm happy to see you invest on your own as well, because that will also bring up the prices faster, so i do not have a disatvante telling everybody OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
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Caleb Ayrania
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:21:00 -
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Welcome to the MD..
Here we have some of those crazy things called standards.
If your asking for public investment its custom to actually present a business plan, and go through some actual points and presenting your idea..
I will help you out a bit and link you to what we usually use in here.. OFC I am expecting you to totally ignore this and continue on your clueless trolling spree. Regardless here is Hexxx IPO guide, and a small BP tool you can consider.
BP-Launcher
When you ask for other peoples money these are some of the normal ways, otherwise you are merely begging and you should go to Jita local, where you will have more success then with the majority of people frequenting this forum section.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:45:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:not all procurer who blowup are shown on the killboards either, so they make up for that, however if they are not put on the market because investors wait for a better price, then those are not a problem for my plan
What makes you think the unreported kills and unlisted stockpiles have a linked magnitude such that one "makes up" for the other?
What makes you think the unlisted stockpiles are waiting for the same price you are? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Harry Forever wrote:not all procurer who blowup are shown on the killboards either, so they make up for that, however if they are not put on the market because investors wait for a better price, then those are not a problem for my plan What makes you think the unreported kills and unlisted stockpiles have a linked magnitude such that one "makes up" for the other? What makes you think the unlisted stockpiles are waiting for the same price you are?
you may as well know that the prepatch production price of the procurer was 2 million, therefore selling those procurer now would lead to a 400% profit, I hardly believe people would wait much longer to cash in right away, as you can see on the chart anyway, ca. 9 month ago there was a big increas in volume on the market, I believe most of the stock in the hangars got sold there
actually I have proof already from one of the bigger investors that the stock got sold already moths ago, however if people still want to believe there are mystery high amounts of procurer in the hangars altough they could be sold for 400% profit, yea then they need to think that way, I'm not... OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:29:00 -
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So, to clarify, you are planning on rectifying the cost across New Eden. |
Drythar Starthra
Fukushima Industries Spartan Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:57:00 -
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Shady business model - Check No collateral - Check Belligerent attitude toward any constructive critism - check Basic 'you know why your wrong, I'm right' attitude - check
I could go on. But the fact of the matter is one of two things;
A: Your not really looking for investors, bored and your trolling like a mad man.
or
B: Your one of those complete idiots who thinks they know it all. And have put forth the worst laid scam plans ever.
NOW -
I'm not bashing you which is against the rules. Nor am I bashing your business plan. So with that in mind. If this is a serious business plan which has many flaws your not going to get much support from anyone, not even the new miner coming out the starter systems with that kind of attitude, the lack of a mutual grounds (collateral) and the defensive mode nonstop. I wish you luck and hope you wise up, listen to the people who have been doing this forever. Though I'm surprised anyone even responds, I think they just like laughs.
My 2 cents.
P.S. Put fourth a business model, offer some collateral and be courteous. --IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME-- :) |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 21:10:00 -
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Drythar Starthra wrote:Shady business model - Check No collateral - Check Belligerent attitude toward any constructive critism - check Basic 'you know why your wrong, I'm right' attitude - check
I could go on. But the fact of the matter is one of two things;
A: Your not really looking for investors, bored and your trolling like a mad man.
or
B: Your one of those complete idiots who thinks they know it all. And have put forth the worst laid scam plans ever.
NOW -
I'm not bashing you which is against the rules. Nor am I bashing your business plan. So with that in mind. If this is a serious business plan which has many flaws your not going to get much support from anyone, not even the new miner coming out the starter systems with that kind of attitude, the lack of a mutual grounds (collateral) and the defensive mode nonstop. I wish you luck and hope you wise up, listen to the people who have been doing this forever. Though I'm surprised anyone even responds, I think they just like laughs.
My 2 cents.
P.S. Put fourth a business model, offer some collateral and be courteous. --IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME-- :)
insulting post - check hide future posts - check OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.05.27 21:12:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: insulting post - check hide future posts - check
/snort |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.05.27 21:13:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:So, to clarify, you are planning on rectifying the cost across New Eden.
I'm just speeding up the process, prices would be at some point normal without me as well...
OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.27 22:43:00 -
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In case you haven't been ridiculed with facts enough: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/aftermath-of-the-mining-barge-changes-price-indices-october-2012/
Quote:Manufacturing figures for the Procurer are even more dramatic, as its average monthly figure of nearly 2,000 ships was exceeded by 4781% in August and by 9706% in September.
That's close to 300k built in those two months. So even if I did believe your claim that a thousand per month are being destroyed - which I don't - there's a very long time before those stockpiles get dug into. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2013.05.27 22:45:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: I'm just speeding up the process, prices would be at some point normal without me as well...
I have a couple of thousand procurers you could buy, lets discuss a price that is fair. Considering they will increase in price by 50% ofcourse. |
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