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Locin WeEda
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:54:00 -
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Mal Mandrake wrote:Just wanted to share a few thoughts and see if discussion can emerge.
How about RF (Red Frog) doing freighters hauls with neutral alts in NPC corps? Don't you just want to find em and blow them up anyway?
Thoughts? -Mal Mandrake
Now why would you want to do that?
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:02:00 -
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I'm a strict one account guy, and I've always found it annoying that that fact puts me at a disadvantage in the game. On the other hand, this allows me to play without worrying about funding multiple accounts with PLEX. The game is supposed to be a teamwork roleplaying situation where folks band together to accomplish goals, so multiple accounts feels gamey to me...not cheating but just not quite playing the way it was intended. I realize CCP makes bucket loads of money off all the multi-account folks, so they certainly won't complain about it.
My position is that, well, it's CCP's game, and they seem to endorse mutiple accounts as a valid playstyle. Not gonna do it myself, but I really have no beef with folks that do. |
Princess Kaalar
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:28:00 -
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I too have three accounts but at this time I can't run them all without a second monitor. I agree in some cases where it does become a hassle having to click on an active window to move a ship or transfering ore to a hauler. In other cases yes a scout to scout out gates for camps and what not would be good I guess.
I have over recent days thought about how I would do this but alas for the moment no until I get a new system in place thats better than what I got. Multi accounts are ok if as long as you have the upper hand in managing and watching what is going on in the immediate surroundings and I suppose even with Goonswarm floating around looking it could make for some interesting conflicts.
Funding one account is hard enough in todays climate, and plexing two or even three accounts over and above the main account would be challenging to say the least. I have often wondered how people with more than four can even stay on top of whats going on even in a mining situation. The one point that was made by another poster I agree with that it takes away from meaningful working with other corpmates or alliance members depended as it was said on time zone differences.
In closing once I do get back to New Eden I will try that and see for myself just how hard it may be and go from there, great discussion!! |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:30:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mal Mandrake wrote: I personally choose not to have multiple accounts
You too huh. Alara is my Main and Only.
I had a separate account at one point, but after a while I got rid of it because I just didn't have the time or energy for another character. That, and alt+tabbing every 30 seconds made me want to bludgeon a puppy. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:38:00 -
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Multi-accounting is part of CCP's business model - it's not going to change.
I have some friends who have up to 6 accounts in EVE. Imo that's going way too far. Personally I have two accounts though, just because I want to experience more parts of the game and training a indy character and versatile combat pilot on one account would take ages - so I feel I don't really have a choice if I want to know about all aspects of the game. |
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:53:00 -
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Don't trust anyone in EVE.
If you can't trust anyone in EVE then who do you go to if you need help?
This is what I think sparked the multi-playing style. And later it has sorta become mandatory.
Since EVE is a point and click game aswell mulit-playing is not very difficult.
I don't like this style of play in a game that is centered around playing with others. But claiming I want it gone would be hypocritical since I have 2 characters myself. Its been a while since I have used both characters at the same time though. |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:08:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Mal Mandrake wrote: I personally choose not to have multiple accounts
You too huh. Alara is my Main and Only. I had a separate account at one point, but after a while I got rid of it because I just didn't have the time or energy for another character. That, and alt+tabbing every 30 seconds made me want to bludgeon a puppy.
get a bigger / second monitor
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:14:00 -
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Quote:I personally choose not to have multiple accounts...
Personal choice != IMBA.
"I choose to fly a BC but BS's are more powerful, therefore imbalanced."
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Mallak Azaria
Hole Plunderer's
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:16:00 -
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Mal Mandrake wrote: Mass mining - How bout a guy running a couple miners and a hauler all by himself?
If you're not mining like this, you're wasting your time.
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Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.22 02:03:00 -
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Quote: If you're not mining like this, you're wasting your time.
It is a game. By definition it is wasting time. |
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Mirime Nolwe
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.22 02:16:00 -
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Having alts it's good, playing them at same time it's not and defeats the purpose of playing in a group. As we all know most people take advantage of using more then one alt for neutral repping, scouting, mining, missions, stats boost etc
As a MMO the game should motivate players to play together as a team. Otherwise we will see the stuff that happens in EVE, a lot of players play the game alone but with 3/4/5/6 accounts, i dont have anything against playing as a loner i do not agree with playing alone with more then one account at same time.
In PVP that make all the difference with all the neutral scouting and buffing and repping. It's not game breaking but for me that should be addressed, even if it costs a few accounts for CCP. |
Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:05:00 -
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Quote:In PVP that make all the difference with all the neutral scouting and buffing and repping. It's not game breaking but for me that should be addressed, even if it costs a few accounts for CCP.
I have to wonder how many accounts have already been lost due to issues such as these. It is no secret that the Eve community isn't growing. When you see 40k people logged on, how many players is that really?
I'm gonna go on a limb and say maybe it IS game breaking.
The neutral scouts make gate camps only about killing the single account players. The neut repps (from multiple accounts, because it IS possible to have neut repps from actual people) make pvp about killing single account players. Or at least makes pvp risk-free for multiple account players.
How about the market? How has all these mining alts effected ore prices? This in turn effects all other prices in Eve.
We know about the big nullsec wars in the last few months... All the scandal! Isn't that really rooted in multiple accounts and botting?
Is this CCP's fault, or the players fault?
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:35:00 -
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[quote=Mal Mandrake]Quote: I'm gonna go on a limb and say maybe it IS game breaking.
Is this CCP's fault, or the players fault?
Well we all know CCP actively encourages people to use multi accounts so you can't really say it's game breaking.
I think one of the main reasons it's so widespread is that most activities in EVE don't require you to perform a lot of actions. Take a 3D shooter, you have to be concentrated all the time so there simply isn't any opportunity to play another character at the same time, let alone three. In EVE things are far more slower and automated.
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Jooce McNasty
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:42:00 -
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There are a few game play styles that lead to the need/want for a second account.
For example in a fleet fight do you want to be the one in an off grid booster? Sitting there alone away from the combat? This is better handled by an alt.
Or being the Cyno for a fleet of caps/supers. This is better handled by an alt as well.
Mining is done with multiple accounts at the same time due to the need to haul and mine at the same time.
Its the way that the game is designed from its core that certain activities are better with an alt.
I have dual boxed PVP pilots and that is a challenge, its not something I enjoy doing but I have done it in the past. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 09:04:00 -
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Personally, I don't care and it doesn't matter to me if a player has 1 account or 100 accounts.
This game is an MMO, so if players are Dual Boxing, Triple Boxing or even Quad Boxing it doesn't make this game anything less.
I have 2 active accounts but only 1 account is online at a time. |
knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 09:35:00 -
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I held off getting an alt for years but recently came to the conclusion that if I want to go back to null sec I need a money making alt - in the form of an industrialist. |
Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.22 10:04:00 -
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Quote: I think one of the main reasons it's so widespread is that most activities in EVE don't require you to perform a lot of actions. Take a 3D shooter, you have to be concentrated all the time so there simply isn't any opportunity to play another character at the same time, let alone three. In EVE things are far more slower and automated.
Good point. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.22 10:21:00 -
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Nothing wrong with multiple accounts if it gets the job done. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Pinaculus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 10:41:00 -
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The need to multi-box reveals flaws in the design of basic gameplay. If activities in an MMO are so uninvolving that they are best performed by a mostly unattended box, then perhaps those activities ought to be redesigned.
Mining/Hauling is a big obvious one. So is gang-linking.
Why would a game company create so many parts of a game that people obviously don't want to play?
I have dabbled with having 2 accounts, but found it so immersion breaking that I quit. It changed the game from a space-ship RPG into a isk-optimization activity. I made better isk, but had way less fun. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:06:00 -
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there is many problems with team-paying style in Eve: 1. time zones If you need someone to help you with some stuff and no one around atm..... You need to wait/wake up your mates/use alts.
2. Lack of trust to other players Most of a time without knowing person in RL you can't trust him in Eve enough. This is about scouting, cyno-, hauling, salvaging, etc....
3. Some important tasks are boring Tasks like hauling stuff around the universe in frighter, maintaining POS, PI, mining, etc.... These tasks are really boring. Almost no one will play long enough if you limit his playing style by this boring BUT IMPORTANT FOR THE TEAM tasks.
Yes. It affects other players. But Eve is MMO game so you always feel other players some way. And using alts for boring stupid tasks safes you time to do other playing style like pvp, team-work and other. So from this end alts make the game more interesting. |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:20:00 -
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Pinaculus wrote:Why would a game company create so many parts of a game that people obviously don't want to play?
That isn't why people have multiple accounts, it's simply so you can be specialised in multiple areas. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:36:00 -
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I'm a noob, but not long after starting Eve I realized a second account could enrich my gaming experience:
- My main (this one) is purely PvP focused with the intention of getting into FW sometime in the furture. - My second account is an industrialist (mining, PI, production and small time hauler).
This approach, IMHO, allows me to experience several facets of Eve, in a timely manner, without having to spread my skill points and micromanage skill queues for two or three characters on one account. Whilst my second account tends to be played stand alone, there have been times when it has assisted my main and fellow corp mates too.
I should point out that I never go AFK when playing, the character in space gets my full attention and the non active character stays docked. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:42:00 -
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alts are great.
it allows you to play every aspect of eve in way less time but for a price (aka another sub)
main can be a pvp toon alt 1 an indy toon and alt2 a capital pilot. alt 3 can be trader alt, and alt 4 & 5 cyno alts Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Fer DeLance
PERONOSPOROS
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:44:00 -
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The fact that you need a "cyno alt" just to make a capital move from one system to the other, is the main reason i don't even play in 0.0 at all. I hate it when you have to rely on others to do whatever you want to do. Having an alt just to do this, is something i never understood.
I did't have any alts for four years. Then i made an alt that is doing support work, like gang, haul, scout etc, never got involved into a fight with it, i can't play two clients simultanusly, it's hard for me. I guess the main reason i have an alt, is because i can easily pay for it at the moment, buying plexes. If, in the future becomes hard for me to pay for the alt, the alt will be gone...
I generally don't agree with the alts idea, but who cares... It's established years ago, makes good money for CCP, most people like it, many mechanisms of the game require it.
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Mail Lite
FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:03:00 -
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The main annoying one to me is the combat pilot/ falcon alt combo... Unless it's me running it and then it's fair deal. |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:11:00 -
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Running one and only one shroom here 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:40:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Don't come crying to us when we shoot down your ship because you jumped through blind.
Happened to me more than once. Didn-¦t give a shlt and still don-¦t. "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:49:00 -
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Use to run 2 accounts, but circumstances changed, so now I'm down to one account, and one character who is a jack of all trades. Actually enjoying it more, its really made me think about my skill training |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:30:00 -
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my every acc is fully sustainable isk wise and gives significant profit so i could have 10 of them if i wanted. also i dont know what to do with all those isk. what are you supposed to do in this game again? |
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