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Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 00:49:00 -
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Hi all well been trying out the game for 4 days completed all the military mission i can they say level 3 missions cant do unless not on trial.
Also few pros and cons I have found so far. Compared to other games i played online. WoW Entropia universe etc.
Rookie help chat Nothing but people knocking each other, no one helps unless Mod is on. Not much of a community in game what so ever.
Seems like a very repetitive game same thing over and over requiring no real skills. As logn as you have the fire power and the tools you just keep going. Not very intriguing at all.
Game controls are very poor to say the least and the tutorias where terrible with explanation at first must reasearch a few online before you get the idea once you do good to go.
Graphics are very poor. And server has lag compared to many other multi server online games.
Over all experience well 4 days in and already to quit lol but will complete my 14 days will not bother to get a monthly account even at 15.00 would not be worth it in other games i spend 200 a week lol but well worth it. (dont have to spend that amoutn but i like the toys it brings)
So over all would not reccomend this game.
My 2 cents hope freedom of speech is allowed in this forums as long as it is properly done. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:13:00 -
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So, how many ppl did you send back to their cloning bay yet? |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 01:18:00 -
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None just went did missions was not pvpign people cause most newbies with same gear where off doing the same. But did fly through many low secure zones :) |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
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Posted - 2011.10.21 02:39:00 -
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You do know that this game won "Game Community of the Decade" award? (From a rather large gaming site i can't remember right now)
Don't use rookie chat cause it really is mostly you newbs or some older vets that made new alts that are trollin, Use the official help chat as the nice players hang out more in there
You will also find that about 90% of newbs won't talk in local chat so looking for people there tends to not get you very far.
Lag might be the same but that is the point, we have just as much lag and we're only on a single server =D The Drake is a Lie |
Zanzbar
Daralux Mechanical Pirahnas
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Posted - 2011.10.21 03:33:00 -
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problem is your judging a massive in depth game based on your 4 days of doing the same activity over and over, missions in eve are like daily quests in wow if that helps you understand it , they are repeatable somewhat entertaining content that are there for collecting income and or items and get boring after doing them for a few nights in a row as you have found out.
eve is a highly social game and joining a corporation will really help you put things into perspective and get a feel for what the game really is.
if pvp is your thing then i have yet to find a game that actually gets me as exited about pvp as eve can, that fact that decisions in combat have lasting consequences makes it a lot more of a rush when you know your ship is at stake, rather then just fighting over who has to walk back from the graveyard next. on top of that a few clever newbies can take down a vet player if they do it right, where in games like wow a level 20 is lucky to even land a single hit on a level 40 much less a level 85
if industry and working the markets is your thing then know that eve has one of, if not THE best market system out there. the vast majority of items are mined, manufactured, distributed and sold by other players the open market economy and the sheer number of items sold between players each day, over a million transactions a day on a game with about 20 -40k players online at a time, makes this games market a truly unique one that puts wows auction house to shame. CCP keeps an economist on staff to monitor the market and there is even a quarterly economic newsletter released on the eve economy.
this game has a lot of unique things to offer that make it more then " a very repetitive game" and it takes more then 4 days of playing to see it all, i ha.ve been playing 4 years and there is still content i haven't touched |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 04:10:00 -
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Yeah I know can see all in the 4 days as i said in first post plan to stick around for the 14 days at least.
Also note you liek to compare to WOW yeah not greatly fond of WOW either Prefer E.U
Such as alot better chat not jaggy and to point make one motion sick trying to watch it. Auction system is a joke also for sure or market.
The yes you die and have to buy new ship and tools is the same as person dying and walking back grom revival terminals. You just gotta get ship tools they gotta heal fix decay get ammo fix tools also it all the same and then long journey back.
The big difference is skill required in E.U Not just what ship combo you have.
But liek say wont judge it fully till my 14 days are done. |
Ines Tegator
Project ELT
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Posted - 2011.10.21 09:40:00 -
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EVE isn't something that can be fairly judged in just 2 weeks, much less 4 days. The community is there and it's lively, although sometimes harsh. You won't see it until you join a player corp. Doing missions and making the odd isk is the smallest part of the game. If someone comes in, plays for a month and does nothing but missions, I guaruntee they won't resub after their first month. Get into EVE University (cliche to refer to them I know but they are a good deal) or another player corp that offers noob grooming and see the real game.
Also, rookie help is totally the blind leading the blind. Try joining the regular help channel. It's a troll magnet, but if you block them there's a regular community of helpful people there. |
Mr Chili Palmer
New Dawn Initiative
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:52:00 -
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been a rookie myself and still on trial i am enjoying the game, i played wow for close to 6 years now that is repetative, go kill 10 boars blah blah blah............. i have suffered no lag in this game as yet, perhaps your lag is down to your isp provider am with sky on 20mb line but only getting 11mb. The graphics i would say are nice if you turn everything up to max, i am playiing on an m17x r3 laptop with a radeon hd6990m card in it and very pleased with what i am seeing. Rookie chat has its moments i have found it to be maybe a ratio of 70/30 70 been the helpful players 30 been the spammers and scammers. i will agree with the tutorials some of them were lacking in been clear on what i had to do especially the one where i had to do some gravation scanning. i will also agree with the price of the monthly subscription i think its too much, however saying that all expanssions are reportedly free. Personally i feel -ú9.99 would be a fair price for a monthly sub. This type of game is either 1 you love or hate, some people struggle with having to make a decision like in eve however they love been led by the hand like in wow...................... |
Maria Mata
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 12:09:00 -
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14,95 euros + 5 euros for activation + VAT wich is what? 3 to 5 euros? This makes it a not very cheap game and with a expensive susbcription. I'm on my second day of trial, I'm loving it so far but I'm still in the second career tutorial agent. I know I'm going hit a big wall of complexity and probably a lot of repeat mission here and repeat mission there. PvP aint probably easily available for a rookie casual like me, skill and isk wise. So i understand this is a game of patience and research, but still. Seems awsome so far, but also looks a expensive game imo. All people talk about having multiple accounts, wich sounds really lame to me. Hopefully i can enjoy the game after i complete all my tutorials, be able to be casual and still have lots of fun and maybe have an oportunity to pvp in a chill corp right form the start. Maybe faction warfare... dunno... if I can get the isk as a casual and extremely rookie player. Whatever... keeps looking an expensive game for me and that only is stoping me from buying it right now.
Sorry about the bad english but hey... when you start speaking portuguese, you are free to fire all your grammary ofenses eheh
Fly safe people. |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest THE D0MINION
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Posted - 2011.10.21 12:17:00 -
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Seek redvsblue. They will give you pvp of your own level with cheap ships. And know how to have fun doing it. |
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2011.10.21 12:26:00 -
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I totally agree...
Other MMo's equivalent of missions are not repetative at all. Kill 20 boars, loot 5 magic potions.... Oh... Wait...
Jokes aside, what did you expect after 4 days doing missions and a few runs in lowsec ?
Did you try to be scout or tackle in a large fleet? Have actually tried pvp? Exploration? Trading?
Go to Jita or anyother major hub and see how very active the community is. Rookie channel is full of folks just like that just don't know what to say because like you they have nothing to talk about since they know nothing about the game.
I am not saying you have to like the game, they are reasons not to like it. But judging from what you have done so far, i can tell you that you have seen nothing of what set's eve appart from other MMo's.
No skills required? Oh please... do go and try to kill something in lowsec ( and i am talking about ships of your size).
Now to be totally honest with you...
Level 4 missions are just way to make isks. Sure some might like doing them, but it's not the backbone of this MMo. When it comes to PvE, Wormholes ratting, and incursions are much more interesting.
PvP, industry and tradding are the things that set EvE appart. |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:59:00 -
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Aston Bradley i would gladly take you up on your offer if your allowed to make a alt with same skill levels as my self and would gladly post the battle results here in the fourms :) Let me know willing to take your challenge. And of course no transfering equipment from one alt to another so that it is on fair grounds!! Would also invite other newbies to view this battle and other regular players to help make sure event is fair |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:44:00 -
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[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23708&find=unread[/url] <-- proof that newbies can fight vets... if you so choose.
@Maria -- yeah 20 EUR for the first month (unless you use a GTC or PLEX to activate), then 15EUR per month thereafter. No different than WOW (from what I remember). If you want to pay ~120 all at once, you can get an annual sub. There are also three and six month sub plans. 3,6, and 12 month subscription costs are all lower than that of the 1 month...
Also keep in mind that it is possible (not necessarily easy) to pay your way through the game via PLEX bought on the market with ISK (normally ~300-350 million ISK per month, bit higher right now). |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:25:00 -
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Shadowlurker Halostar wrote:Aston Bradley i would gladly take you up on your offer if your allowed to make a alt with same skill levels as my self and would gladly post the battle results here in the fourms :) Let me know willing to take your challenge. And of course no transfering equipment from one alt to another so that it is on fair grounds!! Would also invite other newbies to view this battle and other regular players to help make sure event is fair
Well no, you can only train one character at a time, and i am not willing to pause my main's training for 4 days+ worth of training :p. And honestly it's not hard to catch up with me, you just have to train an extra 2 weeks to be able to fly a t1 frigate with t1 modules as well as i do.
I can't create a trial account without going through a lot of time consumming pain (hiding my ip being one of them). if in 2-3 weeks you are still with us the offer still stands.
What we can already do however and requires no skills points, is the hide and seek game (provided that i don't use a cloak and combat probs). And pvp is all about hide and seek.
What ship are you flying? |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:01:00 -
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Only a rifter at the moment. And sitting around skilling while doign other stuff outside of game. kind of figured you would come up with excuses to do the trial thing. But all good. Yes game has alot to learn and a long time to skills and know what to arm with and add to ship to protect vs attackers with different forms of weapons.
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Tagera
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:23:00 -
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Shadowlurker Halostar wrote:Only a rifter at the moment. And sitting around skilling while doign other stuff outside of game. kind of figured you would come up with excuses to do the trial thing. But all good. Yes game has alot to learn and a long time to skills and know what to arm with and add to ship to protect vs attackers with different forms of weapons.
It just so happens I have a trial handy. Ill take your challenge. Ill be on at approximately 0145 eve. If that is early enough. If not can schedule for sometime around 1300ish630ish eve time. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:55:00 -
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Aston Bradley wrote: I can't create an trial account without changing local IP.
um, yeah you can... don't even need a second install of EVE. the only limitation is that you can't dualbox a trial acct and a full acct at the same time...
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:03:00 -
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Shadowlurker Halostar wrote:Using a rifter at this time :) But only been few days as you know. And yakes alot of time to skill. Knew you would come up with excuse for the 1 on 1 rookie battle! And second ip easy to get by the way :) But wont get into that. But anyway off skilling and working on stuff in real world.
I am noy going to use a proxy :3
But i have an alt account, i though i have a char training there, i guess i could sacrifice a few days of training on her, but not on my main.
That being said a 1 vs 1 duel with rookie pilots is as challenging. I target you, you target me, i rotate you you rotate me, i activate my guns you activate yours. It's kinda like playing wow and duel with two level 3 characters. Fun, but point less as far as skill is concerned.
Oh i am sure you'll come up with that "you're making excuses" punch line, but think what you will i know i am correct on that :).
When you can use something else than a gun and a shield (ECM, ECCM, other EWAR modules, neuts, ect...) than we can see how skillfull one is, just as it is the case in an mmo where you have skill to CC, drain mana, mute to use "tactics" which is something that you can't do with just that basic sword slash skill at lev 2.
But sure, we can duel with rookies and i ll drink a soda while our two ships dance together since we can't do anything else at this point
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Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:07:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Aston Bradley wrote: I can't create an trial account without changing local IP.
um, yeah you can... don't even need a second install of EVE. the only limitation is that you can't dualbox a trial acct and a full acct at the same time...
Last time i tried i had this very nice message from CCP :
"While we appreciate your enthusiasm to try EVE, we would also appreciate if you could limit yourself to using a single trial or subscription accounts only."
Now other than a proxyserver, i don't know how to counter that. But than again since i have a two main account, i never insisted on solving the problem. So maybe i am missing something here.
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Juni Dogo
StoneCutterz Shotgun Weddings
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:27:00 -
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Aston Bradley wrote:
That being said a 1 vs 1 duel with rookie pilots is as challenging as playing poker with all cards on the table. I target you, you target me, i rotate you you rotate me, i activate my guns you activate yours. It's kinda like playing wow and duel with two level 3 characters. Fun, but pointless as far as skill is concerned.
Just make the alt and duel him already.
Even if you are 100% right on that one |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:30:00 -
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Aston Bradley wrote:Velicitia wrote:Aston Bradley wrote: I can't create an trial account without changing local IP.
um, yeah you can... don't even need a second install of EVE. the only limitation is that you can't dualbox a trial acct and a full acct at the same time... Last time i tried i had this very nice message from CCP : "While we appreciate your enthusiasm to try EVE, we would also appreciate if you could limit yourself to using a single trial or subscription accounts only." Now other than a proxyserver, i don't know how to counter that. But than again since i have a two main account, i never insisted on solving the problem. So maybe i am missing something here.
IIRC that's the error they throw when you try doing one of two things: 1. try signing up a second account with an already used email address 2. try logging a trial account and a full account in at the same time on the same PC
They don't care about how many clients connect from the same IP (else I'd have had a hell of a time playing at university...) |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:40:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:
IIRC that's the error they throw when you try doing one of two things: 1. try signing up a second account with an already used email address 2. try logging a trial account and a full account in at the same time on the same PC
They don't care about how many clients connect from the same IP (else I'd have had a hell of a time playing at university...)
Ah ok, so that's the second one that happened to me.
Easier to get around than i though. I guess i should start training then.
Thanks for the info |
Tagera
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:58:00 -
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You can run multiple accounts from the same email. However, they have to be paid accounts to run them at the same time. You cannot run a trial and a sub. |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 02:38:00 -
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LoL sorry all i was out doing real life things. Yes eactly shoting each other till one dies is lame that hence game also till you way up in levels so rather pointless till you spend spend spend to get there!
Thanks for proving my point! That why player gotta sit for ages waiting for the skills to come. Unliek E.U you get skills by more you do not like wow just killing same thign over and over.
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest THE D0MINION
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Posted - 2011.10.22 06:51:00 -
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Try taranis vs. taranis. requires hugely skills, and not just fittings. |
J'Poll
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:22:00 -
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Shadowlurker Halostar wrote:Hi all well been trying out the game for 4 days completed all the military mission i can they say level 3 missions cant do unless not on trial.
Also few pros and cons I have found so far. Compared to other games i played online. WoW Entropia universe etc.
Rookie help chat Nothing but people knocking each other, no one helps unless Mod is on. Not much of a community in game what so ever.
Seems like a very repetitive game same thing over and over requiring no real skills. As logn as you have the fire power and the tools you just keep going. Not very intriguing at all.
Game controls are very poor to say the least and the tutorias where terrible with explanation at first must reasearch a few online before you get the idea once you do good to go.
Graphics are very poor. And server has lag compared to many other multi server online games.
Over all experience well 4 days in and already to quit lol but will complete my 14 days will not bother to get a monthly account even at 15.00 would not be worth it in other games i spend 200 a week lol but well worth it. (dont have to spend that amoutn but i like the toys it brings)
So over all would not reccomend this game.
My 2 cents hope freedom of speech is allowed in this forums as long as it is properly done.
Another whiner that will return to Blizzard.
Eve is full of community feeling, just join a player corp and you will find that. Rookie chat is full of Rookies, older toons can't join it so hey what did you expect.
How do you mean controls are poor. Just learn more then 4 days and they will in the end turn out great, the controls you now have are more then enough when it comes to really stress demanding times. In large pvp fights the controls are already cluttered sometimes.
On the repetitive thing, stop mining or missioning only. mix stuff up or get into PvP. You are spoiled by the grinding of other MMO's where you can advance to high level in just couple of days, if you like that, bye bye, EvE isn't your game.
Graphics are good enough, keep in mind CCP actually took into account even low-end PC could run EvE and there are a lot of people who run 2+ accounts at the same time.
But with this attitude, I hope you won't sub and return to WoW (or is swearing not allowed in here) soon. J'Poll Director / Recruiter - Borealis Mining Concern Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:34:00 -
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I dont play WOW for your information I will be returnign to play Entropia Universe way better then what i have seen here!
Spend last nigth in 0.2 areas was very boring except few pirates at asteriod belts easy kills for sure same click till they die zzzzzzzzzzz.
Anyway what can i say so far been really lame dull game. Next before my last 9 days run out will try a corp see if that is any better! |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:35:00 -
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Just watched a video of Entropia, looks like WoW with dinosaurs instead of Boars and Trolls..
I think the point most people are trying to make is that what you see as a downfall in EvE is exactly why we all love it so much. Someone with a career and a family has nearly the same chance further down the line as some kid who can invest 20hrs a day. No amount of repetitive action can increase your skill level in advance of someone who has spent more time "Learning" the game itself. Of course if you have 20hrs a day to invest chances are you will have more money to buy shiny toys, but you still have to invest the same time as everybody else learning new skills. Also this means that without any real leveling system to speak of, you have to learn more about your opponent than in other games. It's not just a question of LVL9 vs Lvl45 and knowing you have no hope of winning, rather the only info you get on your opponent in EvE is how old they are. Once you know how old they are you still don't know if all their skill is in mining or freight or combat. A young combat player can easily combat an older mining specialist for instance but unless you invest the time to know who's about and what to look for and how to find the weak spots in everyones armor.
Also relatively new players in frigates with basic easily trainable skills (under a week for all required) can function as a tackler which is a very important part of any fleet. My corp flew some Lvl4 missions yesterday and we had a beginner frigate and a destroyer with our fleet. Neither would have stood a chance except our combined knowledge of the game and how it works kept them safe against 20 odd battleships and battlecruisers plus support ships, and allowed them to make a huge amount more money than they would normally have access to. Nobody lost a single ship even the little guys, not because they trained for ages for hard shields and big guns but because our KNOWLEDGE of the game allowed them to fight and win against difficult odds. And you can't skill for that.
Contact me in-game and you can come along too if you like. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:46:00 -
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Shadowlurker Halostar wrote:LoL sorry all i was out doing real life things. Yes eactly shoting each other till one dies is lame that hence game also till you way up in levels so rather pointless till you spend spend spend to get there!
Thanks for proving my point! That why player gotta sit for ages waiting for the skills to come. Unliek E.U you get skills by more you do not like wow just killing same thign over and over.
Are you seriously suggesting that other MMo's require skill to play at early levels? You're starting to sound like a troll to me
Anyway the interesting stuff comes after little less thana month training. You will need to sit for ages to get to fly a BS well, but to get to fly a Cov op or interdictor frigate with more advanced gameplay tatctics, it will take from 3 to 4 weeks. You have played for little than a week now. Give it 2-3 weeks, and fly a cov op.
What you are right about, is the fact that you can't powerlevel in this game. There's no shortcuts, you have to wait for training to be done. Still, you don't have to wait months before some of the interesting stuff opens to you. If that's a problem for you, than i guess eve is not the game you seek. |
Shadowlurker Halostar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 13:44:00 -
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Anyway could not finish my full 14 days due to total boredom of the game :(\ So had the fun on clicking the skull to terminate my account! The most excitement i have gotten the whole time i been in the game !
Also gave away all my goodies to another new player starting hope he enjoys it more then I did
Aston Bradley wrote:Shadowlurker Halostar wrote:LoL sorry all i was out doing real life things. Yes eactly shoting each other till one dies is lame that hence game also till you way up in levels so rather pointless till you spend spend spend to get there!
Thanks for proving my point! That why player gotta sit for ages waiting for the skills to come. Unliek E.U you get skills by more you do not like wow just killing same thign over and over.
Are you seriously suggesting that other MMo's require skill to play at early levels? You're starting to sound like a troll to me Unliek E.U might be different, i can't tell... Looks like wow with dino's and reptiles to me.... Still 9 out 10 MMo's require no skill to play at early levels, and that is the way it should be unless you want new players that are (let's face it) noobs to rage quit after 2 days of play. A good a MMo takes you by the hand at the begining and let's you take care of yourself once you can walk on your feet. As far as i am concerned, you're complaining about having to crawl like a baby because that all you can do at this point, and you want to walk before you should even start standing on your two feet. Anyway the interesting stuff comes after little less than a month training. You will need to sit for ages to get to fly a BS well, but to get to fly a Cov op or interdictor frigate with more advanced gameplay tatctics, it will take from 3 to 4 weeks. You have played for little than a week now. Give it 2-3 weeks, and fly a cov op. What you are right about, is the fact that you can't powerlevel in this game. There's no shortcuts, you have to wait for training to be done. Still, you don't have to wait months before some of the interesting stuff opens to you. If that's a problem for you, than i guess eve is not the game you seek. I have seen both trial citizen's on their 3rd trial account try, and subed players not liking eve after 2 months, and they gave good reasons no to. You on the other hand .... |
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