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erg cz
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:31:00 -
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Hi.
I've got a free Gnosis and I do not want to lose this ship very quickly. But I want to use it so keep it in hangar is not an option. So the question is how to fit it properly, with all newbee skills I have.
I understand it is all about proper tanking and quickly getting out.
For me tanking means Damage Control II, 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I, Medium Armor Repairer and Adaptive Invulnerability Field of some kind.
Speed means I need a MWD, After burner and probably Overdrive Injector System
So, not much CPU and power grid left :(
I have a Gallente character. So I train hybrid turrets. But is it the right weapon for Gnosis, that can use anything? To stay alive I should probably use a sniper setup - should I train launchers? Ppl in battleclinic suggest artilery, but it is also powergrid consuming...
Please help - any advice will be appreciated, since now is the time, when I choose what skills to learn first. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:35:00 -
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Survive what, exactly?
PvE, or a gank?
The former is easy. The latter, your best bet is to not be there. |
Zippy Aideron
Kinky Wizards
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:42:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Hi.
I've got a free Gnosis and I do not want to lose this ship very quickly. But I want to use it so keep it in hangar is not an option. So the question is how to fit it properly, with all newbee skills I have.
I understand it is all about proper tanking and quickly getting out.
For me tanking means Damage Control II, 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I, Medium Armor Repairer and Adaptive Invulnerability Field of some kind.
Speed means I need a MWD, After burner and probably Overdrive Injector System
So, not much CPU and power grid left :(
I have a Gallente character. So I train hybrid turrets. But is it the right weapon for Gnosis, that can use anything? To stay alive I should probably use a sniper setup - should I train launchers? Ppl in battleclinic suggest artilery, but it is also powergrid consuming...
Please help - any advice will be appreciated, since now is the time, when I choose what skills to learn first. The gnosis only shines when you have good fitting/support skills, however also i see flaws in what you are saying, 1600mm plate AND armour rep, mwd AND afterburner AND overdrive...no.
For pve just put in drones (duh) and railguns, lows put in 2 med armour reppers, and 2 mission specific harderners, then put either 2 mag stabs/drone damage depending on which one does more dps so you want to boost that one. Mids you want afterburner and all cap rechargers, (use fitting tool to test cap stability for the next bit) if you are still not cap stable, add capacitor control rigs on there and u should be stable if you have 3 on, otherwise dont fly the gnosis and train some cap skills, and in that spare high you want a tractor beam for looting mission objectives/from a nice npc kill (faction/ elite etc). Hope this helps,
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Jane Schereau
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:42:00 -
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First, let me discourage you: You only get one gnosis, the ship is/will become a tank magnet, you will loose it :p
Now, to answer your question. You are dual tanking that ship with the modules you suggested. Big no-no unless you are planning on being bait. So choose one kind of tank: shields or armor. Seeing how you want speed, shields may be the way for you to go.
Gnosis can use any weapon equally poorly. Use whatever fits your playing style and what you have a ton of support skills for.
With that, I'll leave you with this Gnosis fitting guide: http://themittani.com/features/gnosis-users-manual |
Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:45:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Hi.
I've got a free Gnosis and I do not want to lose this ship very quickly. But I want to use it so keep it in hangar is not an option. So the question is how to fit it properly, with all newbee skills I have.
I understand it is all about proper tanking and quickly getting out.
For me tanking means Damage Control II, 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I, Medium Armor Repairer and Adaptive Invulnerability Field of some kind.
Speed means I need a MWD, After burner and probably Overdrive Injector System
So, not much CPU and power grid left :(
I have a Gallente character. So I train hybrid turrets. But is it the right weapon for Gnosis, that can use anything? To stay alive I should probably use a sniper setup - should I train launchers? Ppl in battleclinic suggest artilery, but it is also powergrid consuming...
Please help - any advice will be appreciated, since now is the time, when I choose what skills to learn first.
OK. Dont shield *and* armor tank - so if you run the 1600 plates and the EANM and repper, then dont use the Invul in the midslots.
Similarly, you probably wont want to run the MWD and the afterburner - pick a strategy and stick to it.
Basically, thats the theme you should follow - decide what the ship is supposed to do, and then ask yourself 'How does putting this item in this slot help with what the ship is supposed to do'. |
erg cz
Tri-Innovation
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:58:00 -
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I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.
But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power |
Zippy Aideron
Kinky Wizards
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:15:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.
But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power Okay never dual tank unless you are bait, also dont plan anything for exploration so close to odyssey because its about to change, i would just wait and carry on with what your currently doing then after odyssey and a couple of days people will know more about the updated exploration.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:16:00 -
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Sell it and buy 4 vexors, you will learn a lot more having lost 4 ships as opposed to just one. What is gaming when compared to rl? -á http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=V7-1ndsiVNA&feature=endscreen |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.29 18:40:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it. Just that phrase makes me think that you lack the knowledge to survive a gank.
Bubbles are a null and wormhole mechanic. If your Gnosis ends up in a bubble while your are solo, you will be dead. Period. Speed wont help you escape. A gnosis is rather slow - anyone who puts up a bubble will also have a fast ship to web and point you, and once that is done, you can no longer escape, even if you manage to crawl out of the bubble.
And, do you really want to fly into wormholes with your Gnosis? Or worse, null? That's asking for it to be exploded.
As Haulie said, your best bet to survive a gank is to not be there.
If you really want to venture out of high-sec, learn how to use d-scan and be extremely paranoid. As a Gnosis is a slow and jucy target you should always be aligned and ready to warp out at the first sign of trouble. That should protect you 90% of the time, but there's still that 9% where your attention slips and that 1% where someone really wants to kill you and takes a stealth bomber to tackle you out of nowhere.
If you stick in high-sec ... it's a bit harder to gank you, as you will be protected by Concord. Again, speed won't help you at all - suicide gankers usually use destroyers, which will be faster than you, even with a MWD. Your goal is to survive for the 20 seconds or so it takes for Concord to survive. There are basically two scenarios: 1) someone decides they want a Gnosis kill today, for fun. Your best bet in that case is that you are harder to kill then that other Gnosis in the system and hope they go after him. Anything else is pointless - e.g. if you up your tank, they can just bring more ships. 2) someone decides they want to kill a Gnosis for profit. That's better for you, as by having a big enough tank (and cheap fittings), you can make it unprofitable to gank you.
In the end, I don't think you know enough about EVE yet to survive a gank. If you want to fly your Gnosis, your best bet is to stick to high-sec and pray that no-one decides to gank you. Or better, fly cheaper ships and lose a couple until you have a better graps on the mechanics involved. |
Andracin
Sickology
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:50:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Sell it and buy 4 vexors, you will learn a lot more having lost 4 ships as opposed to just the one.
best advice so far. The second best option would to keep on a dusty shelf until your skills (both SP and game mechanic knowledge) catch up with the ship. As a pirate I can't even count the number of times me and my friends have "WTF???" moments looking at someone's fitting. Just because you can fly a certain ship does not mean you should. |
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:21:00 -
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I might say don't fly what you can't afford to lose...but since I got a few and am holding on to them until they get rare - Please! Fly that sucker all the time!
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:43:00 -
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I'd suggest that you hold off on fitting and flying the Gnosis until Oddysey comes out, and until you've done some of the new mechanics for awhile in a less valuable ship. Once you get a hang of the mechanics and challenges you'll face in that cheaper ship, then I'd look into fitting and using the Gnosis.
Even then, I'd wait until you get T2 modules and a better feel for the game. However, I understand your desire to use it, so just be careful. Remember, they're unique and have a limited supply, so you can buy a new one to replace yours if it gets blown up... for now. 10 Thoraxes, 3 Minutes Star Fraction vs. Band of Brothers - An Inside Perspective
https://truestories.eveonline.com/ideas/940-10-thoraxes-3-minutes |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:53:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.
But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power
Sell it if you plan on being in places where you can be killed. (low/null sec..have a killright on you...stealing loot and going suspect..etc)
You cannot run and escape as easily as you think.
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:09:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I plan to use Gnosis as all-in-one explorer ship. Not looking for PvP but PvP will surely look for me a lot. Thats why I focus on ability to run and survive the gank. Thats why dual tanking and combination of MWD and afterburner. Ganks often use some bubbles to disable warp so I will need all the speed I can get to escape from it.
But I also need to clear anomalies - thats I need to know, what weapon type will be most effective at low power
Yeah, you're a killmail waiting to happen. Fly something else for now. |
Xuixien
Elysium Dominion
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:05:00 -
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With good fitting skills and T2 Medium Guns/Drones, you can rock level 3's.
Probably rock them even more with T2 Heavy Missiles. Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:03:00 -
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Andracin wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Sell it and buy 4 vexors, you will learn a lot more having lost 4 ships as opposed to just the one. best advice so far. The second best option would to keep on a dusty shelf until your skills (both SP and game mechanic knowledge) catch up with the ship. As a pirate I can't even count the number of times me and my friends have "WTF???" moments looking at someone's fitting. Just because you can fly a certain ship does not mean you s hould.
There are a number of Gnosis in circulation, and I believe that the collectors edition will come with a Gnosis BP, so more will be made. By then you hopefully will be making enough to buy a few from the open market. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:10:00 -
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Celeste Taylor wrote:There are a number of Gnosis in circulation, and I believe that the collectors edition will come with a Gnosis BP, so more will be made. By then you hopefully will be making enough to buy a few from the open market. Last I looked they were selling in Jita for 90m, which really isn't that bad for a fancy battlecruiser. |
erg cz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:44:00 -
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@Zippy Aideron: I will surely not fly it before Odyssey will come. Simply because I will not have skills to equip fitting I want. And I keep an eye on published changes about Odessey exploring. It will make exploration simplier but even after the patch I will have to count with rats in anomalies: they seem to be having some triggers, so even there will be no rats at the start I will have to fight later anyway. Guns will still be needed.
@Corey Fumimasa: vexor is not an option for an exploration ship and I am not decided yet if I go vexor or thorax way, speaking about combat ship. Those will be ships I am gonna lose learning. This very topic is about how not to lose Gnosis that quick ;)
@Thomas Builder I am extremly paranoid. With Gnosis I will be 90% of time expecting that someone really wants to kill me and there is a bomber somewhere near. wormholes are far away future. I am not persuated, that bubbles do not happen in low sec. And low sec is not that far away future (I did finished tutorial day before yesterday). I will use Imicus / thorax / Catalist combo to explore and salvage for a time being. So yes - cheap ships to lose are there ;) But I wanted to know, what skill to focus on now, if I want to fly Gnosis later. At this moment it seems that I will have to learn launchers, despite the fact, that I am a gallentian.
Thanks for the help, folks. |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:46:00 -
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I use my Gnosis for PVP.. specifically to kill other Gnosis.
The issue is... to fit it really well due to it's low resist you need a lot of support skills. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
erg cz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:56:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:
you need a lot of support skills.
And that is way I created that topic in the first place - to find out, what skills to focus on.
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Glor Thindel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:00:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I am not persuated, that bubbles do not happen in low sec.
It's not that the don't happen, they physically cannot happen. Warp bubbles cannot be anchored within Low or High-sec space, and ships that create their own bubbles (Hictors and Dictors) cannot activate the module in Low or High-sec space. This isn't a matter of convincing, look up the rules, it cannot happen.
And as others have pointed out, if you hit a bubble, if its unmanned, you haven't got to worry about how fast you can escape it, and if its manned... well, solo in a battlecruiser, you are pretty-much screwed regardless of your speed. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:11:00 -
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erg cz wrote:vexor is not an option for an exploration ship and I am not decided yet if I go vexor or thorax way, speaking about combat ship.
Vexor works fine as an exploration ship. Sure, it's not bonused for probe strength, but that can be mitigated with grav rigs and better skills and it's a good ship.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:01:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:
you need a lot of support skills.
And that is way I created that topic in the first place - to find out, what skills to focus on.
No you're asking us to give you the answer you want. So here I'll do it:
Resistance skills for armor to 4
Med Hybrid skills to 3...make sure you fit the expensive meta 4 blasters they're the same as techII's
Exploration skills for probe launchers and the new mid slot mods along with hacking 4 and archeology 4...buy the sister's probe launcher they work much better
MWD skills to 4 to help escape the bubbles in low sec.
Cloaking skill to use the prototype one so you can hide easier while scanning
Good luck. With newbro skills you may want to think about faction and officer guns and armor mods because they have lower fitting/skill requirements and work better than techII. |
erg cz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:25:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:
Vexor works fine as an exploration ship. Sure, it's not bonused for probe strength, but that can be mitigated with grav rigs and better skills and it's a good ship.
Yes, but those rigs can work on Gnosis as well. |
J'Poll
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:29:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:
Vexor works fine as an exploration ship. Sure, it's not bonused for probe strength, but that can be mitigated with grav rigs and better skills and it's a good ship.
Yes, but those rigs can work on Gnosis as well.
Yes. But the Gnosis will make you a huge target. And for 1 Gnosis you can fly multiple Vexors. I dont see why you would fly an overpriced but below avg. ship
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erg cz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:43:00 -
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I got your point. You are right - it is cheapier to lose few cruisers then to lose one battle cruiser. Absolutely correct. But I still think, that Gnosis as all-in-one explorer will serve me better, then Vexor, which is lower in everything (power grid, slots, EHP etc) but drones. I will have to rely on drones only if I run into serious rats... So I hope Gnosis will survive in low sec long enough till I get skills to Dominix. And one more reason, why I want to fly it: I will not be able to do it later again. Cause ship will not become available. So it is now or never. Unique experience, to be shot down in Gnosis ;) Though rumors are, that those new 200 system, coming with patch , will open doors to Jove space. So who knows...
Just please understand me correctly - I agree, that Gnosis is not the best ship in a world and it will serve me the best, if I sell it. But I am teh newbz00r, and I want to fly this unique ship... So I am looking for advises how to fly it more then once ;) |
Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:59:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I got your point. You are right - it is cheapier to lose few cruisers then to lose one battle cruiser. Absolutely correct. But I still think, that Gnosis as all-in-one explorer will serve me better, then Vexor, which is lower in everything (power grid, slots, EHP etc) but drones. I will have to rely on drones only if I run into serious rats... So I hope Gnosis will survive in low sec long enough till I get skills to Dominix. And one more reason, why I want to fly it: I will not be able to do it later again. Cause ship will not become available. So it is now or never. Unique experience, to be shot down in Gnosis ;) Though rumors are, that those new 200 system, coming with patch , will open doors to Jove space. So who knows...
Just please understand me correctly - I agree, that Gnosis is not the best ship in a world and it will serve me the best, if I sell it. But I am teh newbz00r, and I want to fly this unique ship... So I am looking for advises how to fly it more then once ;)
OK. Your heart is set on the gnosis, and you know you'll lose it (1)
While you're skilling up to fly it, explore your proposed area of operations in a Tristan. Get to know what gates are camped and when, and who lives in the area. Figure where the areas of operation of various people are.
And then you might stand a chance of finding something nice before it's ganked, and you go back to using a Vexor :)
(1) Actually, its worse than you think. A number of the more piratical types know who you are, and have perhaps run locator agents on you. |
erg cz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:37:00 -
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I think they will give up, concidering how much time I need to get all necessary skills and equipment. Is there any way, how to find out, if someone " run locator agents" on me? |
J'Poll
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:46:00 -
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No When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
erg cz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:49:00 -
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Ok, so I ended up with something like this:
[Gnosis, Gnosis Solo Exploration Missile] Damage Control II Reactive Armor Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster Codebreaker I Analyzer I
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Salvager II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Dual speed canceled but dual tanking is still there ... |
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