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Mhax Arthie
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:35:00 -
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Grozen wrote:Players who bring content into the game are always nice, and from what I've seen in burn jita2 it was rarely loss of ships for the goons.The freighters were cherry picked so that they were really worth ganking or at the least not at loss. Totally agree. I so hate the npc scripted bad guys! But the dudes who pay 10 buck for idiot filter is the best non scripted bad guys evah. Is why EVE is the best mmo on market atm. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:47:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:
You evil, sadistic, heartless murderer.
Throw him in a padded room and lock away the key, this man is clearly a psychopath for his actions in a game.
the difference is made by actions against the living You are wrong, there is no difference. IT IS A VIDEO GAME YOU ******* DOLT. One does not have to be a goon to understand that. oh well and when you did destroy toys of the other kids when you where young, it was just toys right?
Do you whine like this when someone checks you in chess? |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:54:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:
You evil, sadistic, heartless murderer.
Throw him in a padded room and lock away the key, this man is clearly a psychopath for his actions in a game.
the difference is made by actions against the living You are wrong, there is no difference. IT IS A VIDEO GAME YOU ******* DOLT. One does not have to be a goon to understand that. oh well and when you did destroy toys of the other kids when you where young, it was just toys right? Do you whine like this when someone checks you in chess?
you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1116
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:00:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though you're playing the wrong game. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:01:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though you're playing the wrong game.
you are understanding it wrong, its the same no matter within a game or in real life, you decide who you are OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:04:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
the difference is made by actions against the living
You are wrong, there is no difference. IT IS A VIDEO GAME YOU ******* DOLT. One does not have to be a goon to understand that. oh well and when you did destroy toys of the other kids when you where young, it was just toys right? Do you whine like this when someone checks you in chess? you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them... this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though
Part of the rules of EVE is being able to ruin someone's day, just like part of the rules of chess is checking. You agreed to that by logging in. If you don't like it, stop logging in.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:05:00 -
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I like it a lot, I like to see how people really are... OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
421
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:09:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:
You evil, sadistic, heartless murderer.
Throw him in a padded room and lock away the key, this man is clearly a psychopath for his actions in a game.
the difference is made by actions against the living You are wrong, there is no difference. IT IS A VIDEO GAME YOU ******* DOLT. One does not have to be a goon to understand that. oh well and when you did destroy toys of the other kids when you where young, it was just toys right? Do you whine like this when someone checks you in chess?
(Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+) |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1116
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:15:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though you're playing the wrong game. you are understanding it wrong, its the same no matter within a game or in real life, you decide who you are so if i understand correctly
anyone who demands pirates not shoot people who don't want to be shot in a game about exactly that is trying to break the pirate's toy and therefore is a horrible psycho who must be stopped for the good of society
(ps are 'big wars just for the challenge' all fine for you in real life, too?) |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
920
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:24:00 -
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What I enjoy about these types of threads is seeing the different aspects of a sub-set of the game I will never ever be part of as I enjoy parts of the game others will never ever be part of by simple collusion of playtime/mentality/interests and affiliation
After 8 years of being here, I have seen how EVE is an amazing melting pot of extremely well defined regional, political, social and economical self imposed boundaries that mutate in game to create new wholes or perpetuate said boundaries creating marvelous constructs of entities that are fascinating, from a certain perspective, read and see about.
The Metagame and the social intricacies within it are so vast and complex and so based on human perceptions, thus flawed from the start in my opinion, that EVE from an outsider-¦s view ends up being a highly different game depending not only from the region you are looking at it, but even timezone, day of the week, month or specific hour, only adding spice to the wonderfully wrought mesh chain that is eve.
Reminds me of the old saying a teacher used to tell my class regarding perceptions, when studying human figure drawing tests.
"No matter how hard you look at that wall, you will never be able to see how it looks on the other side, unless you go to the other room, and even then, you will stop seeing the previous wall" . Kinda loses a bit of the force of it when translated and out of the context, but that's how I feel , when reading this or that news site, this or that thread, or this or that forum regarding eve.
So alien, yet so close, so unknown yet so predictable.
A game that after 8 years still remains mysterious, simply because of the people and player driven content and the profound feuds that spawn within it.
Most games after 1 year remain the same , eve is always evolving, always in flux, beyond the crap ui, lame graphics and spreadsheets and awful menus and repetitive mind melting station music.
The Flux , the Chaos, the Drama and the way people move and react to it is always fresh, despite containing the same basic elements over and over.
This game is simply marvelous. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:26:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though you're playing the wrong game. you are understanding it wrong, its the same no matter within a game or in real life, you decide who you are so if i understand correctly anyone who demands pirates not shoot people who don't want to be shot in a game about exactly that is trying to break the pirate's toy and therefore is a horrible psycho who must be stopped for the good of society (ps are 'big wars just for the challenge' all fine for you in real life, too?)
wars need to happen if two parties can not come to a conclusion otherwise, at that point both will want that war I'm talking about, however hurting the innocent is shameful, starting war with someone who is not aggressing back as well, everybody has to make his decision on his own, you can feel if it is needed and there is no other solution or if it is just a shameful act OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Vince Snetterton
288
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:30:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though you're playing the wrong game.
Yeah, guess the only acceptable way to play the game is the way that goons and their kind dictate. This whole "sandbox" (what an idiotic term) that CCP that supposedly has developed, which is supposed to cater to a multitude of playstyles...guess that did not happen.
From what I have seen is that CCP has developed a framework in software that allows for someone to immerse themselves in a virtual world. Unfortunately, the game designers believe that this world should be based on the views of someone like Ayn Rand.
This naturally attracts the human predators in the real world, the sociopaths, the psychopaths, because they now have a outlet to truly hurt someone ingame (permanent loss of assets) that most other games do not. These predators may or may not have that option in real life, and can use Eve to release that sick desire.
The people that want to play a style of game that more equates with how people operate in a civilized world, are at a disadvantage, when going up against organizations that would be the equivalent to enormously powerful criminal / terrorist organizations in the real world. Those law-abiding people can exist, but the game constructs do have the checks that the real world does to keep evil people, however slightly, at bay.
And as for this game being "only pixels", I find it interesting that commentators on the game always assign a real life currency value on losses in big battles, and how people will do just about anything to get on a titan kill. I have listened to the rage of people like Shaddoo (look him up on YouTube). Tell me that this is "only a game" to people like him.
If the mafia, the koch brothers, and the people running a plethora of multi-national corporations were not so busy in real life, they would be right at home in Eve, and would be working with the failed lawyer, or fighting to usurp him and take over his operations for their own personal gain. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1116
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:44:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff
in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...
this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though you're playing the wrong game. Yeah, guess the only acceptable way to play the game is the way that goons and their kind dictate. hey, that's that thing. that thing i didn't say, right there. you said that thing. not me. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
40
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:54:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: This whole "sandbox" (what an idiotic term)
Why is it idiotic? Citation needed.
Vince Snetterton wrote: The people that want to play a style of game that more equates with how people operate in a civilized world, are at a disadvantage, when going up against organizations that would be the equivalent to enormously powerful criminal / terrorist organizations in the real world. Those law-abiding people can exist, but the game constructs do have the checks that the real world does to keep evil people, however slightly, at bay.
Your observations are flawed on a basic level. You seem to equate Alliances to real world companies. They are more like countries. If you mess with their best interests and you aren't one of them, of course you get stepped on.
Are you suggesting that instead of corps and players organising their own laws, defense, logistics and manufacture that these things should be provided? Im sorry, but there is no omnipotent "God" in EvE there to do the work of creating a society with your personal favourite rules and laws for you, you have to do that yourself. TBH you should be thankful for Hisec and I dont know why you would leave as for the most part it seems to match what you think should be in a game. Correct me if Im wrong.
Vince Snetterton wrote: And as for this game being "only pixels", I find it interesting that commentators on the game always assign a real life currency value on losses in big battles, and how people will do just about anything to get on a titan kill. I have listened to the rage of people like Shaddoo (look him up on YouTube). Tell me that this is "only a game" to people like him.
Im not sure what you are getting at here. Without the threat of loss, there is no thrill. If someone wants to spend money on a ridiculous pinata like a CNR, then more power to them, but not everyone throws money at a problem.
Vince Snetterton wrote: If the mafia, the koch brothers, and the people running a plethora of multi-national corporations were not so busy in real life, they would be right at home in Eve, and would be working with the failed lawyer, or fighting to usurp him and take over his operations for their own personal gain.
I doubt they would have the intellect to pass the tutorials, tbh. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
211
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:27:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:
STUFF
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Tell me, in real life, with all the checks and balances you speak of, do you give your car to an absolute stranger to move for you?
Do you give a large sum of your money to a random who promised to double it?
Do you give your PIN number or your safe security code to anyone who you have just met?
If you are a manager, do you give purchasing ability and stock control to anyone within the company?
Do you sign randomly any contract waved in front of you?
Do you click those signs that say "Congratulations, you are the 1000th visitor"
Now, if, with all the legal consequences and safeguards you speak of in the real world, you do not do these things, why in the name of the FSM would you do it in a game where what bothers you is the lack of safeguards?
I suspect too many players mix with the wrong people, because, while they would of course, blow you out of the sky at the first opportunity, I have yet to meet players who come even close to the level of nastiness I have encountered in the real world.
*Shrugs* there is a difference between "Oh, I like talking to you and we help each other out" and "OMG here is full corp access"
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2969
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:35:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:wars need to happen if two parties can not come to a conclusion otherwise, at that point both will want that war I'm talking about, however hurting the innocent is shameful, starting war with someone who is not aggressing back as well, everybody has to make his decision on his own, you can feel if it is needed and there is no other solution or if it is just a shameful act
Wars are rarely started because both sides want it & it's the same in reality. You seem to have a limited grasp on reality.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
40
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Wars are rarely started because both sides want it & it's the same in reality. You seem to have a limited grasp on reality.
Very good. I nearly put my own foot on that beartrap.
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2969
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:40:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:And as for this game being "only pixels", I find it interesting that commentators on the game always assign a real life currency value on losses in big battles.
It's done so people who don't play the game can get a sense of how valuable the losses were, since isk can be equated to an appoximate value due to PLEX. They're not saying "These people sunk $40000 in to EVE & lost it all in a battle".
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
I Need PLEX
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:43:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:And as for this game being "only pixels", I find it interesting that commentators on the game always assign a real life currency value on losses in big battles. It's done so people who don't play the game can get a sense of how valuable the losses were, since isk can be equated to an appoximate value due to PLEX. They're not saying "These people sunk $40000 in to EVE & lost it all in a battle".
Yeah its not like farming for a week to get your epic flying mount |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1314
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:18:00 -
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Goons are members of the Something Awful forum community. Many goons that play EVE are members of Goonswarm Federation. They play the game however the hell they want, just like everyone else.
I'm not sure what is difficult for people to understand about that. |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Harry Forever wrote:wars need to happen if two parties can not come to a conclusion otherwise, at that point both will want that war I'm talking about, however hurting the innocent is shameful, starting war with someone who is not aggressing back as well, everybody has to make his decision on his own, you can feel if it is needed and there is no other solution or if it is just a shameful act Wars are rarely started because both sides want it & it's the same in reality. You seem to have a limited grasp on reality.
honestly I'm not sure how to explain you again what i just said, if you did already interpret it so badly the first time OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14460
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:25:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Yeah, guess the only acceptable way to play the game is the way that goons and their kind dictate. This whole "sandbox" (what an idiotic term) that CCP that supposedly has developed, which is supposed to cater to a multitude of playstyles...guess that did not happen. No, that's exactly what happened, and that's why the acceptable way to play the game is the way that you dictate yourself. One way of doing that is to let others dictate your game for you because you can't/won't take control yourself.
The game caters for any play style you choose, if you are able to secure it for yourself. But that's just it: you have to do it GÇö the game won't do it for you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1116
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:26:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Goons are members of the Something Awful forum community. Many goons that play EVE are members of Goonswarm Federation. They play the game however the hell they want, just like everyone else.
I'm not sure what is difficult for people to understand about that. but a vet in my npc starter corp said-- |
Lyza Kimbo
Cat Scratch Fever
13
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Posted - 2013.05.31 19:35:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:everyone who doesn't think they're a part is merely a pawn or target practice in the game of space thrones
Weasel here is a fairly typical goon.
Sometimes he can be a decent guy, and offer helpful information. But mostly he just says things like this.
Bottom line about the goons is that they are griefers. They get off on causing other people misery.
Now, they may or may not be really cool guys if you are a Goon, but as far as the rest of us are concerned, they're just an extraordinarily successful band of scammers, liars, con-men, gankers, griefers, and general ass-hats. Never, ever trust a goon, at all, under any circumstances, even if they are offering to recruit you. |
Adamai
Naval Protection Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:38:00 -
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Goons is a rather broad abbreviation of a group of people hell bent on being incredibly smart but without ever showing it. a goon is a goon. they lark around and nothing is beyond fun for them, if your prize ratting ship cripples you when they kill it and causes you to leave the game then that's just another successful hit for a goon of goon swarm.
my advice is take what they say with a pinch of salt as its usually from a little bee and not the guys in charge, most of the things they say and threaten never take place.
all in all goons true actions are usually well planned and executed. if they are not then its the work of the little bees and not an alliance decision.
goons will be goons untill they have a serious goal that works in their favour. after all they did shut down band of brothers, not much more you can say really.
ps
they are incredibly opportunistic. they care very little about allies and even less about small corps or other alliances. they do care about the community of eve which is refreshing given goons past history in other games.
for example the second life incident, if im not mistaken goons created a gremlin type creature that shut the servers down. they usually swarm from one game to another to usually cause more harm than good.
so just keep that in mind when dealing with them and never trust them or rely on them unless you know 100% what your trusting them to do or with is in their personal interest. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:28:00 -
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Adamai wrote:they are incredibly opportunistic. they care very little about allies and even less about small corps or other alliances. they do care about the community of eve which is refreshing given goons past history in other games.
for example the second life incident, if im not mistaken goons created a gremlin type creature that shut the servers down. they usually swarm from one game to another to usually cause more harm than good.
so just keep that in mind when dealing with them and never trust them or rely on them unless you know 100% what your trusting them to do or with is in their personal interest. What's this second life you speak of? Twilight?
Oh, World of Darkness. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:30:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Goons are members of the Something Awful forum community. Many goons that play EVE are members of Goonswarm Federation. They play the game however the hell they want, just like everyone else.
I'm not sure what is difficult for people to understand about that. That's not what I learned from Riverini. I am a nullsec zealot. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
303
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:47:00 -
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Its actually pretty funny that alot of people are convinced Goons are all a different kind of people just because they belong to a certain organisation.
See if there was an actual cultural difference [like say for example the russians] then I would understand this kind of threads [then again, the threads would get shut down for bordering racism].
Explain to me how Goons are different? Sure you can dislike the organisation as a whole, herd mentality will steer people in a certain direction that can lead to organisations giving off a certain vibe.
But a Goon isnt some special type of human being that gravitates to a certain community, every large alliance has asshats and good people alike. People join and leave Goonswarm every day, does dropping your roles in goons somehow change your brain anatomy and change your personality?
tldr; I can understand the posts where people say they like/dislike Goons as an organisation, but the people saying *a goon is this* or *a goon is that* are just being retarted. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:49:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:People join and leave Goonswarm every day, does dropping your roles in goons somehow change your brain anatomy and change your personality?
tldr; I can understand the posts where people say they like/dislike Goons as an organisation, but the people saying *a goon is this* or *a goon is that* are just being retarted. No, because there's corp history. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2013.06.01 04:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote: that's exactly what happened, and that's why the acceptable way to play the game is the way that you dictate yourself. One way of doing that is to let others dictate your game for you because you can't/won't take control yourself.
The game caters for any play style you choose, if you are able to secure it for yourself. But that's just it: you have to do it GÇö the game won't do it for you.
This summinates what I've tried to say to people so many times. That quote's a keeper. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
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