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Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
804
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Posted - 2013.06.01 04:27:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:Why do goons do what they do? Couldn't tell you, but I do what I do because I want to have fun while playing a video game. Pretty simple really.
I'll never understand why people think we're so different from them and need to be analyzed.
Let me put it this way:
We analyze the Goons purely because you're so different. We don't understand how you can derive pleasure from harassing people into quitting a game, particularly upon considering that each person you drive away, or harass to the point of 'I'm not coming back', is one less subscriber to keep this game going.
You see, your actions are counter-intuitive: you want to have fun playing the game, but you want to do that by making other people less inclined to play.. In essence: while the vast majority of EvE's player population wants to help grow the game and attract subscribers, you appear to desire the exact opposite.
If you drive enough people away -- however unlikely this is to actually happen -- CCP may even decide that EvE isn't profitable to operate any more. At that point, congratulations -- you've shut down a business and forced dozens of people out of work.
You act without understanding the self-destructive nature of your behavior.
That's why we think you're deserving of analysis. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2013.06.01 04:32:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Xinivrae wrote:Why do goons do what they do? Couldn't tell you, but I do what I do because I want to have fun while playing a video game. Pretty simple really.
I'll never understand why people think we're so different from them and need to be analyzed. Let me put it this way: We analyze the Goons purely because you're so different. We don't understand how you can derive pleasure from harassing people into quitting a game, particularly upon considering that each person you drive away, or harass to the point of 'I'm not coming back', is one less subscriber to keep this game going. You see, your actions are counter-intuitive: you want to have fun playing the game, but you want to do that by making other people less inclined to play.. In essence: while the vast majority of EvE's player population wants to help grow the game and attract subscribers, you appear to desire the exact opposite. If you drive enough people away -- however unlikely this is to actually happen -- CCP may even decide that EvE isn't profitable to operate any more. At that point, congratulations -- you've shut down a business and forced dozens of people out of work. You act without understanding the self-destructive nature of your behavior. That's why we think you're deserving of analysis.
So essentially, if people throw their toys out of the pram and leave because they don't get their own way in space.
It's our fault.
Cool.
Got it. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
Emily Earnest
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 05:06:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:In essence: while the vast majority of EvE's player population wants to help grow the game and attract subscribers, you appear to desire the exact opposite.
Tell me I'm cherry picking if you want, but please tell me more about how goons don't bring in new players pretty much every day. Might also be Xinivrae
People are still weird... |
James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
12
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Posted - 2013.06.01 05:27:00 -
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People don't like goons because goons bots a lot/rmt a lot and used shady techniques (including rmt) to get efame, is it a reason to hate on an irrelevant goon grunt? Nope, mainly because he is irrelevant. Don't hate the playa hate the game. Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:12:00 -
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Bob Blunts wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Daedlus Caine wrote:First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway
As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.
Thanks for reading!
The reason for the goon hate is because they donGÇÖt respect the game or the gaming community. They exploit every aspect of the game and try to manipulate every exploitable situation to suite them regardless of how it effects the game or the people in it. With that said In any organization both good and bad people can be found, but in bad organizations you seldom see the good people in charge. The few control the many. Which part demonstrates their lack of respect for the game? Their tireless efforts to provide content? (Burn Jita 1 and 2, Hulkageddon, the ice interdictions, probably more null stuff of which im unaware) The thousands of hours their members have spent providing Eve with it's only *real* news site? (If you say EN24, then we have nothing further to discuss) The untold man hours spent maintaining and growing their space empire to provide a home for their vast membership? Maybe it is the development of Evemon that demonstrates this lack of respect? Or the former goons who moved on to help develop the game? Wait! Let me guess! You must be a high sec whine...err... miner? Thats the only conclusion I can draw from your ignorant ill informed ranting. People like you need to seriously get over yourselves. Goons ganking your freighter =/= Goons not respecting the game or community.
ThatGÇÖs part of the problem with you goons. You think bad content is ok as long as it benefits you.
They do provide a service, just as Heaven needs Hell and Darth needed Luke, Eve also needs it demons.
They can provide content but its their blatant lack of respect for the game and its community that earns them the hate. The non stop exploitation of every single thing that can be exploited. Just because something can be done doesnGÇÖt mean it always should be done.
No matter how many bridges a good man builds, if he builds those bridges while working for a sheet company his work will still be sheet. |
Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:16:00 -
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Not an important guy, just feel like I haven't experienced EVE yet without getting scammed or blown up by Goonswarm as I still have respect for these guys.
Send a few after me in higfh-sec? |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:20:00 -
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One of the so called content from the goons that made me laugh was the proposed war games. So they donGÇÖt want to fight in null and have a war but have organized fights(duels) because they feel war is to stressful and costly? Any thing to keep the sea of blue calm I guess.
Keep that content coming just donGÇÖt let the cat sheet in the sand box. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8098
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:32:00 -
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i'm sorry that we can't live the thrill a minute life of the highsec "please make it unprofitable to flog me mercilessly" miner Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
804
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:39:00 -
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Emily Earnest wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:In essence: while the vast majority of EvE's player population wants to help grow the game and attract subscribers, you appear to desire the exact opposite. Tell me I'm cherry picking if you want, but please tell me more about how goons don't bring in new players pretty much every day.
You are cherry picking, but I won't hold it against you.
It's important to remember that income is not always greater than outflow. The Canadian one-cent coin, by way of example, cost 1.6 cents per unit to mint. The Canadian mint was actually losing money on every penny they made.
I fully admit further along in my post that it's unlikely to ever reach that point; there are other sources that CCP can draw from to build a subscriber base. My point, however, was to show that the Goons' behavior is confusing to the point of irrationality. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:i'm sorry that we can't live the thrill a minute life of the highsec "please make it unprofitable to flog me mercilessly" miner
Right, goons donGÇÖt want to fight other trained and skilled or fitted pvp pilots from other null sec corps for control of sov because that would be to stressful and costly.... so lets go gank some players in hi-sec that arenGÇÖt trained skilled or fitted for pvp.
Now thatGÇÖs content. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8098
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:54:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Right, goons donGÇÖt want to fight other trained and skilled or fitted pvp pilots from other null sec corps for control of sov because that would be to stressful and costly.... so lets go gank some players in hi-sec that arenGÇÖt trained skilled or fitted for pvp. Now thatGÇÖs content.
after having conquered every region in 0.0 at some point in time the only thing left to do is flog some hiseccers
not our problem if they don't know anything about this game beyond how to set up a bot (( Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1241
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Posted - 2013.06.01 07:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Right, goons donGÇÖt want to fight other trained and skilled or fitted pvp pilots from other null sec corps for control of sov because that would be to stressful and costly.... so lets go gank some players in hi-sec that arenGÇÖt trained skilled or fitted for pvp. Now thatGÇÖs content. after having conquered every region in 0.0 at some point in time the only thing left to do is flog some hiseccers not our problem if they don't know anything about this game beyond how to set up a bot ((
By posting nonsense like this Andski, (implying that hi-seccers are botters} one can only hope that you quit the game.
Folk would then have more respect for, and dislike the goons less. This is not a signature. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6732
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Posted - 2013.06.01 07:48:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
By posting nonsense like this Andski, (implying that hi-seccers are botters} one can only hope that you quit the game.
Folk would then have more respect for, and dislike the goons less.
Its a well known fact that caldari space contains more bots than any other area of space. |
Emily Earnest
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:56:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:You are cherry picking, but I won't hold it against you. It's important to remember that income is not always greater than outflow. The Canadian one-cent coin, by way of example, cost 1.6 cents per unit to mint. The Canadian mint was actually losing money on every penny they made. I fully admit further along in my post that it's unlikely to ever reach that point; there are other sources that CCP can draw from to build a subscriber base. My point, however, was to show that the Goons' behavior is confusing to the point of irrationality.
Well I thank you for that
I could see how you'd arrive at your conclusion as you're someone on the outside looking in. But don't you think that if we were truly out to "destroy your game" as it were, we'd be a lot more malicious about it, instead of creating content that a large portion of people who aren't in goons can participate in? I mean sure, on the surface, Burn Jita or the extended hulkageddon might seem attacks on the player base at large, but the reactions I've seen, for the most part, have been positive.
If we really are some evil space empire hell bent on burning the game down, I'm just not seeing it. Honestly, sometimes I feel more like a member of a parks and recreation board... Might also be Xinivrae
People are still weird... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8101
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:17:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:By posting nonsense like this Andski, (implying that hi-seccers are botters} one can only hope that you quit the game.
Folk would then have more respect for, and dislike the goons less.
Yes clearly those hundreds of characters in mission hubs that are there for half of the day warping between the station and mission sites like clockwork are just highly enthusiastic mission runners, not botters! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
677
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:32:00 -
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tbh it doesn't really matter what group is represented by the accusations or hatred.
The internet has empowered baser characteristics in some people for many years. They are empowered by the anonymity the internet provides them.
The internet if full of people who make slugs look smart. The internet is full of people who only spew vitriol and hatred.
People who post crap like this --> Quote:Full assburgers much? isould expect that from a Tribe scrub I'm not the CEO, Director or Diplomat for my corp I have no say at all in which alliance my corp joins But that whole concept is lost on imbeciles like the poster of the above quoted statement.
The goons are bad ?? I couldn't really care, all I see is a lot of whining and crying. If Goons upset you that much, Eve gives you the tools to let you make them know. Bounties and war-decs...... use them or stop with the pointless internet posturing. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
584
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Posted - 2013.06.01 17:32:00 -
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There is a rockfarm floating in the great black sea; an egg-shaped blowout spinning on its balanced axis to almost 1G at the valley floor. A small home stands near the ring pond, an old couple live there tending the pharma-stock and the vast fields of green cultivate, some from seed option far older than any database records.
One day a load of sulNi condensate knocked on the house door.
GÇ£COME IN! COME IN!GÇ¥
The load entered the house and was surprised to see a giant macaw perched in the backrest of the head chair at the dinner table. This was odd because there were two tables in the house, and it would be more appropriate for the bird to be seated in the kitchen. The load commented on this fact to the bird.
GÇ£BERNACE ISNGÇÖT HOME!GÇ¥
Well what does that have to do with what is right and good replied the load. Soon a great argument developed and animals began to take notice. A rooster appeared and took another backrest. Some pigs arrived, they however stayed at the door. But the two great St.Bernards on the porch began to bay and bark at the commotion, in fact adding to the clamor.
Mema Picken arrived and was aghast at the display. Not knowing what to do she made tea for the guests and tried to make polite conversation.
Some time latter Pape Picken arrived home from working in the lowgrav fields high up the valley wall. Mema ran to him with tears in her eyes and clutched onto him. He held her for some moments. Then without a word he led the pigs back to their pen, sent the rooster to the chicken coop, fed the dogs, and put the macaw back in its cage.
He eyed the load of sulNi and sighed deeply, he was used to the smell and it did not bother him. He pumped the load into a spreader and set out to a sparse field labeled 9D-1. He opened the nozzles and started his circuit around the odd shaped plot, some time latter he was done. He went home and rested from the days work.
A fortday or more passes, each cycle 9D-1 gets greener and more lush. Eventually all the animals come and eat their fill of the good green grass. And soon after another load of sulNi condensate is ready to go.
Cooking bacon with Wyatt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hS17crSI54 |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
50
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Posted - 2013.06.01 17:38:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote: Pile o'manure
God, I hate CVA
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
584
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Posted - 2013.06.01 18:07:00 -
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What is it that your alliance wants to "Petition Blizzard" for anyway Romana? Cooking bacon with Wyatt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hS17crSI54 |
baltec1
Bat Country
6740
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Posted - 2013.06.01 18:16:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:What is it that your alliance wants to "Petition Blizzard" for anyway Romana?
"something something grr goons something something ban them all." |
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
774
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Posted - 2013.06.01 18:18:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:Why do goons do what they do? Couldn't tell you, but I do what I do because I want to have fun while playing a video game. Pretty simple really.
I'll never understand why people think we're so different from them and need to be analyzed.
That's a cutie avatar over there. Well done.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
588
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Posted - 2013.06.03 09:45:00 -
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This thread was severely edited just before the forums went offline, many of the posts were removed. Pretty randomly as far as I can tell. Usually the ISD's make a note about editing, what they removed and why, nothing like that here.
Here's the archived version http://www.eve-search.com/thread/241313-1/page/1
Anyone have any ideas about what happened?
Bored in highsec? How to get into low http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ5GPtmQETo-á |
Dave Stark
3070
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Posted - 2013.06.03 09:47:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Anyone have any ideas about what happened?
ISDs got sick of all the badposting? |
Axyl Gaterau
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.03 10:46:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:You have assets in this game, you will have to protect those assets. The more assets you have, the more you have to protect them.
Goons have many assets, goons therefore have to protect a lot. You may think they are just a bunch of @#%^(&@&, but actually, even something like Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, is a way for the Goons to protect their income.
Although there are many many more reasons, i shall just state one reason for Hulkageddon. Hulkageddon is meant to gank miners in High-sec space. What do people mine in high-sec space? indeed, lower value ores. So, what happens when you gank the group of people, mining the lower value ores? Exactly, the value of those ores goes up.
I don't know if you know, but in null-sec, those lower value ores aren't very abundant and besides this, industrialists usually don't feel like mining them ( Arkonor makes a lot more iskies after-all ).
If the value of a particular ore goes up, so does the likelihood of people mining them.
This is just a small example, but ultimately, they are protecting their assets and their position. Anybody else would do the exact same thing, Goons are just more successful than anybody else.
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Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
812
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Emily Earnest wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:You are cherry picking, but I won't hold it against you. It's important to remember that income is not always greater than outflow. The Canadian one-cent coin, by way of example, cost 1.6 cents per unit to mint. The Canadian mint was actually losing money on every penny they made. I fully admit further along in my post that it's unlikely to ever reach that point; there are other sources that CCP can draw from to build a subscriber base. My point, however, was to show that the Goons' behavior is confusing to the point of irrationality. Well I thank you for that I could see how you'd arrive at your conclusion as you're someone on the outside looking in. But don't you think that if we were truly out to "destroy your game" as it were, we'd be a lot more malicious about it, instead of creating content that a large portion of people who aren't in goons can participate in? I mean sure, on the surface, Burn Jita or the extended hulkageddon might seem attacks on the player base at large, but the reactions I've seen, for the most part, have been positive. If we really are some evil space empire hell bent on burning the game down, I'm just not seeing it. Honestly, sometimes I feel more like a member of a parks and recreation board...
Again, I'm not saying that the Goons are deliberately trying to depopulate New Eden; as I've already stated, if the number of new players that the Goons attract does not exceed the number they cause to leave, EVE will eventually become unprofitable to operate.
It may not be deliberate, but that's beside the point, which is:
We study the Goons because their actions are confusing, irrational and illogical. Much like most of New Eden on most days. ;) I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
waltari
Eclipse Navy. Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:20:00 -
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Daedlus Caine wrote:First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway
As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.
Thanks for reading!
there you go |
Dion Cranes
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:20:00 -
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Dont worry about the Goons. There Time will come where they disapear from the Map,just like every big Corp/Alliance befor them. |
waltari
Eclipse Navy. Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:24:00 -
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Dion Cranes wrote: There Time will come where they disapear from the Map
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:53:00 -
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Dion Cranes wrote:Don't worry about the Goons. Their time will come where they disappear from the map, just like every big Corp/Alliance before them.
Nobody even makes the slightest effort anymore... |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
564
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:58:00 -
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