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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
211
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:51:00 -
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"Prices are reasonable, but whether you're using real (AUR) or in-game (ISK) currency, you lose a copy of every piece of gear in a loadout each time you die, so you'll be making regular post-match trips to the marketplace to restock whatever you just lost. Such high stakes can add tension and excitement to a battle, but at the expense of making new players feel nickeled and dimed every time an experimental loadout goes wrong. ItGÇÖs less pay-to-win and more "pay to see all the cool stuff,GÇ¥ but this is still one of those cases where free-to-play artificially stymies player advancement in the name of the almighty dollar."
Ouch...they really made a F2P console shooter with gear loss, friendly fire and a cash shop?
It looked terrible in that video. That choppy running/aiming and crappy hit detection would drive me nuts. Put Dust in the Incarna bin and focus on EVE. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:When did IGN become credible reviewers? This. IGN? Credible? The f*ck is wrong with OP, IGN has never been, is not, and will never be a credible website. They most probably get paid by the game companies to do reviews, handing out the highest scores to the top payers. Basically, they're prostitutes. |
Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:56:00 -
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Man, Dust looks kinda ugly for a PS3 game, hard to believe I nearly mistook it for Planetside 2 on a stream. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
605
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:59:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: At the moment though it's painfully apparent that the reviewer is still thinking in terms of other FPS games on the market. You are faulting the reviewer from comparing DUST to its competition?
The complaints the reviewer makes are the same ones voiced all throughout Beta by the playtesters. DUST is what it is because it continued on the path it started out on instead of adapting to feedback.
The CE DUST items...be interesting to see what the populations are in October when they can be claimed. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
41
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:02:00 -
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Quote:But it has everything to do with implementing regular game play improvements and bug fixes, which are facts I pointed out that you have chosen to conveniently overlook.
When a review is done it is done on the product at that point not what might or might not happen further down the line.
Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
89
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:05:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Diablo 2. |
Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:06:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Diablo 2.
Can we compare another FPS clone to something that pretty much started online gaming as we know it? |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
298
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:35:00 -
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Hardcore fps guy, both on pc and xbox. Borrowed a PS3 just to play Dust.
Basically, the game has squishy controls for my tastes. Agreed. But there's also skills to take into account. Just focusing on the sniper rifle, I went from one or two kills a match to 15. Part of it was l2p, but I'm certain part was the skill bonuses itself.
Here's a tip to CCP: FPS guys HATE roleplaying, almost to a man. They don't like that their character isn't a representation of their personal skill. They like to feel like badasses. So bring an FPS guy into Dust, and watch him physically get sick from being a new character with crap abilities. ESPECIALLY if they are actually any good on a daily basis.
Dust won't be the FPS capital of the world, just like EvE isn't the MMO capital. But it will be that outstanding game that lies in the background and has an absolutely loyal following, by gamers who love it and will continue to support it for years to come.
So keep at it. Keep making it better. It definitely isn't a triple A title, by a long shot. But don't abandon where your headed just because somebody 'just didn't get it'.
Cause I have a feeling that IGN correspondent will be going back to Dust before long. No max rank, battles that CAN matter (once you understand the politics). And a universe bigger than a simple leaderboard. He may not know WHY he goes back, but I can tell you: Depth.
Make something go deep enough, and the ladies always come knocking again. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
298
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:38:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:Setaceous wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Diablo 2. Can we compare another FPS clone to something that pretty much started online gaming as we know it?
Wait, started online gaming?
You mean Ultima Online for proper MMO's, right?
Or maybe Doom for FPS's.
Diablo 2? WAY too recent to have 'started' anything. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:46:00 -
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CCP : Would you like for us to develop EVE?
EVE community: NOO! At the very most please tweak the UI, and that's it! Also, hmmm, please try to break into the console FPS market in a way that you will be stuck with it for all eternity. Yes, yes sounds right. Goodluck CCP
*Months later*
CCP: DUST is doing great guys, 5k players online at release.
EVE community: AWESOME JOB!
*Months later*
http://eve-offline.net: DUST514; ok (6,584 players)
IGN: This game sucks.
EVE community: HTFU no it doesn't! CCP btw the exploration changed kind of suck balls but I love the UI tweaks, keep up the good work on DUST! |
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Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:08:00 -
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Ruze wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:Setaceous wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Diablo 2. Can we compare another FPS clone to something that pretty much started online gaming as we know it? Wait, started online gaming? You mean Ultima Online for proper MMO's, right? Or maybe Doom for FPS's. Diablo 2? WAY too recent to have 'started' anything.
Didn't realize it was made so recently, must've been thinking of Warcraft 2 or something, loved that game on B.net. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
298
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:14:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:Ruze wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:Setaceous wrote:Kult Altol wrote:What game got terrible reviews but bounced back? Anyone? Diablo 2. Can we compare another FPS clone to something that pretty much started online gaming as we know it? Wait, started online gaming? You mean Ultima Online for proper MMO's, right? Or maybe Doom for FPS's. Diablo 2? WAY too recent to have 'started' anything. Didn't realize it was made so recently, must've been thinking of Warcraft 2 or something, loved that game on B.net.
It's a matter of perspective. Y2K was just the other day.
If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
89
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:30:00 -
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Ruze wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:Ruze wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:[quote=Setaceous]
Can we compare another FPS clone to something that pretty much started online gaming as we know it? Wait, started online gaming? You mean Ultima Online for proper MMO's, right? Or maybe Doom for FPS's. Diablo 2? WAY too recent to have 'started' anything. Didn't realize it was made so recently, must've been thinking of Warcraft 2 or something, loved that game on B.net. It's a matter of perspective. Y2K was just the other day. Depends on your age. For us it was just yesterday, for someone in their early 20's it was half a lifetime ago. Perspective indeed ;)
But in answer to the other question (and to stay vaguely on-topic). The original question didn't specify genre. And if we're talking multiplayer FPSs, there have been too many failures to list. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
672
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:33:00 -
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Gogela wrote:DUST to-date... my experience of watching DUST trailers, anticipating the game, disappointment in the demo, and watching DUST CCP reacting (if you can call it that) to suggestions, reminds me a lot of Aliens: Colonial Marines. Check it out: DUST 514 announcement demo: DUST 514 demo | DUST as it actually is
- Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
- Vehicle control is a lot better. Let's see anyone in DUST right now driving like they do in this demo.
- Graphics a lot better in demo.
- Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
- Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.
Aliens: Colonial Marines in-progress demo: Demo vs Final Product
- Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
- Graphics a lot better in demo than final.
- Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
- Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.
It's the same thing. I'm not trying to diss DUST too much... I want to see it successful. I've spent a decent amount of rl cash to support it too. However, you have to look at the reality of the situation: DUST is free. My time is not. If the game isn't good RIGHT NOW, it's not a good game. Maybe it can be a good game in the future... but it needs to get real quick and there's not much sign of anything but little tweaks coming up in the near future.
update is coming in two weeks. That not quick enough for ya?
source.
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Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
8
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:47:00 -
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Dust scored a 8.5 on Good Game, Australia's only gaming TV show.
Just for the record.
Some people like it. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
71
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:50:00 -
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There is merit to some of the negative things being said about DUST. Criticism is good when it's constructive, and some of the criticisms voiced about DUST are perfectly valid.
IGN however is not worth the time and effort to click through and read to see what they have to say. They'll say anything to get click traffic, and are historically one of the worst sites for previewing games positively then shitting all over them at release. For some idiotic reason, a lot of people still go there to read about things.
Anyway, mainsteam gaming media sites like IGN are the ones that crapped over EVE when it first came out, yet today are doing massive writeups about EVE's amazing sandbox gameplay and community involvement. They flip flop constantly, serving only to get more advertisement revenue via clicks.
DUST is similar in some ways to other shooters, and at the same time vastly different. That can be tough for most professional reviewers to grasp.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
498
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:23:00 -
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Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:28:00 -
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I think the ign review is a bit harsh,
dust is really no worse than the other console shooters, the reviewers seems to have only played maybe a few rounds . at the most .
his points with the controls being off and the vehicles being wonky while at first glance may seem accurate it has not prevented people from mastering them in game .
so apparently they are not to the point that prevents people from being successful in the game .
he also glosses over the customization and deeper aspects of the game. I am sorely disappointed he did not mention anything about the HAVS as these allow for a bit o fun in the game.
while dust is not a amazing fps it is a different game with a different take on your average console fps .
there fore it does offer the player a alternative to same ol console shootathons of today .
and apparently there has been enough players wanting something like this to keep the battles going . whether that will still be true come next year is something im personally interested in seeing, as i seriously doubt it will last .
but i would not be disappointed to be proven wrong . |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1515
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:30:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money.
For how long it has been indev, if even the feel of basic controls seems off, it doesn't speak well for the game as a whole.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:32:00 -
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FLUFFY DELIVERIES wrote:I will keep it short, with all the money invested in dust... its kinda sad it can only pull a rating of 5.8 from ign? Reminds me of walking in stations... another ground breaking project that took years to construct and was ultimately a massive flop. other peoples thoughts? http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review
To be fair, I think the walking in stations was just some code they borrowed from the work they had completed already with dust. If you've seen dust, they also walk in stations. When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2479
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Posted - 2013.05.31 04:11:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:update is coming in two weeks. That not quick enough for ya? source. If by "update" you mean a couple of teaks, than "no" because it doesn't count. We need a lot more than pushing a couple damage sliders around, I think you'll agree.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
605
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:06:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Must remember DUST 514 will continue to get updates just like EVE does. That means it will give CCP a chance to address the issues the reviews are mentioning. Give it some time before you declare DUST 514 dead or a waste of money. I log onto Black Ops and there are, at any given time, over 150k people on with me. DUST 5k. Don't need a review to tell me what that means.
And no amount of updates to a console FPS are going to change the fact that a new shooter is released every quarter or thereabouts. Number of space MMO's released to compete with EvE and slow their steady growth the past 10 years?
Here is my review. All the negatives the reviewer brought up were brought up by the playtesters ages ago. Washing CCP's balls won't make DUST a good game. If CCP wouldn't listen to the community in Beta I do not have much hope for DUST now that it is released and all the gimmics are gone. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6714
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:22:00 -
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I wonder why it is that some here are so desperate for dust to fail. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2479
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I wonder why it is that some here are so desperate for dust to fail. I'm genuinely not.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
38
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:46:00 -
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My kid gave it a try for about 30 minutes He hasn't logged back onto it even though its free so I guess it doesn't appeal to 13 year olds. I had a look, it was okay, but I'm not a FPS fan so it didn't really interest me.
If i had to play a fps on PS3 it'd be CoD4-MW. Its very difficult for a developer to break into and compete with an already top notch genre and I don't think dust will manage to do it, not with what I saw of the game. But its early days and if it has more than FPS shooter elements it might work out niche. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2391
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:57:00 -
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Legitimate points about controls, collision and graphics are legitimate.
That having been said, I enjoy running around Dust when I have an odd 40 minutes to waste during the day.
And besides, was Eve perfect with Beta? Give Dust 20 expansions and see if IGN change their minds.... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8469
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Posted - 2013.05.31 08:50:00 -
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DUST be awesome.
/c
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Prince Kobol
764
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Posted - 2013.05.31 08:56:00 -
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My only real concern with Dust is once it has reached full integration with Eve will the large null sec alliance who more or less have unlimited funds be able to roflstomp all before them..
I have talked to a few people who have tried Dust but have stop because they can see that unless you are part of a large corp with backing by Eve players you will not have a chance so there is no point in continuing. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1910
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Posted - 2013.05.31 09:07:00 -
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So I tried out Orange which is Red but with a new twist. But it failed as Red. They put in Yellow aspects that have no place in Red and as a result you have this totally schizophrenic mash-up that is neither Red nor Yellow. Orange just doesn't cut it either way.
Verdict: Orange is mediocre at best. Not enough Red and too much Yellow. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
smokess
Vengeful Swan
44
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Posted - 2013.05.31 09:16:00 -
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Is Dust better now than a couple of months ago? I tried the Beta when I first got a PS3 and I must say I thought it was utter bollocks. I could however see what they were going to do and hoped for change and improvement.
Would love to know if that was done. |
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