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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
360
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Posted - 2013.06.01 04:31:00 -
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That yelowish tumorish area seems ze biggest.... http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Sentamon
971
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:18:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:That yelowish tumorish area seems ze biggest....
Goons like it nice and safe. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5303
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:34:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:The grand strategy system in nullsec works pretty good for generating content. It's the low and medium level conflict that is lacking because there's nothing to fight over at that level. Why do people believe this? There is more gang warfare in nullsec than fleet warfare. Strategic operations take planning and need reasons for a few hundred or thousand people to all log on and dogpile into a system. Smaller scale PvP just happens and is constant. Any major chokepoint, valuable ratting system, or major hub wlll have dozens of gangs passing through a day, usually several an hour. The vast majority of PvP in nullsec involves something like 2-20 guys to a side. Are you high? Are you? I don't see how you can refute what he said, considering I've seen you on the other side of several small-medium sized engagements.
You're being deliberately dishonest in the interest of some agenda as yet unclear. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3250
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:47:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:That yelowish tumorish area seems ze biggest.... Goons like it nice and safe.
Eh, they try and destabilize things very frequently for content.
It is more a result of the fact that GSF is the only alliance out in null that makes a point to actually employ diplomacy. If they make an agreement, they will stick by it. Because of that, their alliances tend to be very stable and long lasting. For an example just look at OTEC - so many opportunities to steal moons, but they refuse to fire the first shot. They'll gladly shoot the owners, but the agreement is rock solid.
Yes, highsec pubbies, GSF is probably the most trustworthy alliance in nullsec. Try that on for size. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
918
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Posted - 2013.06.01 07:07:00 -
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TIL Raiden is part of the "Rebels" |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3800
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:The grand strategy system in nullsec works pretty good for generating content. It's the low and medium level conflict that is lacking because there's nothing to fight over at that level. Why do people believe this? There is more gang warfare in nullsec than fleet warfare. Strategic operations take planning and need reasons for a few hundred or thousand people to all log on and dogpile into a system. Smaller scale PvP just happens and is constant. Any major chokepoint, valuable ratting system, or major hub wlll have dozens of gangs passing through a day, usually several an hour. The vast majority of PvP in nullsec involves something like 2-20 guys to a side. Are you high? Are you? I don't see how you can refute what he said, considering I've seen you on the other side of several small-medium sized engagements. You're being deliberately dishonest in the interest of some agenda as yet unclear. I can refute it because currently the vast majority of null players who are interested in combat are pilled into one region right now. Akirei suggesting that a vast majority of null systems see combat multiple times an hour is simply a lie. The vast majority of PvP in null sec involves a structure timer.
After all, if what they described was true, I would be back east defending NCdot territory instead of road tripping on the other side of the map. If what they described was true, I would be worried about these so called hourly roams through our space. I would be defending our territory from these small gangs.
The FACT is that because small roaming gangs amount to no threat to sov, I don't need to patrol and monitor these gangs. If any decide to become bold enough to engage a structure, I am instantly via in game mail, notified at the very precise moment they shoot the first round of antimatter. And as I have witnessed countless times and explained just as many, I can travel, along with the rest of my corp, alliance and blues, clear across the map in about ten minutes to deal with it. That of course does guarantee victory, but damn sure means outside of another coalition invasion, anything smaller is not even remotely a threat.
My final thought on that situation is, extremely poor sov design and power projection. Perhaps you would be more comfortable if I played along and went around pretending that all of null is ripe with combat and epic battles in every system hourly?
Here is something else everyone can have a look at to have a bit of a feeling of how much sov warfare is happening:
http://eve-kill.net/?shp_name=Territorial%20Claim%20Unit <-- A TCU being killed is a sign of the owner losing space, not 100% accurate, but acts as a decent gauge. http://eve-kill.net/?shp_name=Sovereignty%20Blockade%20Unit <-- A SBU being killed shows a sign of the owner of space preventing a hostile from taking the space from them, again, not 100% accurate, but a decent gauge.
So if those mega coalitions are so active in wars and take overs and smaller entities being able to take and hold space; why is there so very, very few TCU and SBU kill mails each day? Hell there is even days when none are killed. How many different ways do you need someone to tell you null is stagnant? The only thing going on is WoT style combat in Delve. The rest of the null map, is quiet as a mouse for sov conflict.
How is that for being dishonest?
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Sentamon
971
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:02:00 -
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Is it time for the "sov is boring" arguments from the people that are out highsecing the highsecers?
Bring em on, I need a good laugh. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5304
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:58:00 -
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Marlona, this might surprise you but I agree that null isn't as dynamic as I would like. I agree that sov mechanics are total ****. I agree that Akirei's post may have had certain points exaggerated.
However, you seemed to be implying, more than just a refutation of the "multiple gangs per hour for trade hubs/ratting systems/staging systems" premise, that small to medium sized combat and roaming gangs are rare in nullsec. They really aren't. This is what I was disagreeing with.
I also disagree, as you well know, with the notion that power projection is a contributing factor to nullsec stagnation - if anything it's one of the few things preventing even further stagnation. In essence I don't buy into the premise that slower and more difficult movement would suddenly make null more vibrant. If anything it would only serve to enforce the safety gained by large power blocs. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Vonce forthelulz
The Ankou Northern Coalition.
6
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:00:00 -
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Every once and a while I pull up old versions of the sov map and reminisce. It will be interesting to look back in a few years and remember not only past alliances, but also past coalitions.
Thumbs up! |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1005
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:24:00 -
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"rare" is an exaggeration, but there could be so much more. furthermore, it should be hardcoded into nullsec, not just a possibility.
a lot of the good small stuff that happens is only because nullsec currently has sovereign entities that leverage large numbers of terrible citizen soldier players, who make up the bulk of the low end targets for gangs. if we were back in the master/renter model, then all you have is elite predator and helpless prey, which basically comes down to trying to trick ratting bots
are there currently pockets of below sov level action in nullsec? of course. however, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't receive an enormous hardcoded boost from developers. |
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Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:08:00 -
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What do the sprinkles symbolize? |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3816
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:24:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:What do the sprinkles symbolize? Bridging titans.
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:28:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/VeriteP/coalinfluence.png
With the alliance level map being irrelevant for years and inaccurately showing a wild an active null sov; we can now easily look and see the coalition level. It will be interesting to watch over the months. Current map will e volve into a "new old player" barging in like this , see how it terrorizes renters until Lord appears and is smacked. Repeat ad nauseam for the next 10 years, changing women around from the same crew seen in the video, until a point in time where every woman is the one pushing others and chocking the renter. Disregard everything I say, Im drunk
Damn! Goonswarm got worked! They stood back up and posted "gf" in local, though. That's class. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:05:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:What do the sprinkles symbolize? Renters I am a nullsec zealot. |
Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates The Retirement Club
182
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:24:00 -
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Nice work.
Ioci wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:I hear null is a blue donut. I don't see any donut. I was lied to again... It is. Don't let the frienemy tactics fool you.
Yah, coalitions are the first level of out of game meta. I suspect the blue donut emerges when the coalition map is further modified to include the various NIP & NAP agreements that might be in place.
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Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:29:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos
WILD CARD !! Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time.-á(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless) |
Acac Sunflyier
FLA5HY RED
589
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:38:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:I hear null is a blue donut. I don't see any donut. I was lied to again...
Here you go! CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Gangsters And Gentlemen Silent Ascension
44
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Posted - 2013.06.23 09:39:00 -
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Improving the quality of GD by bumping an usefull thread to 1st page. Don't feed the trolls. |
Dewa Cinta
Funbag Industries
25
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Posted - 2013.06.23 14:39:00 -
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Test Dummy 1 wrote:I don't see why there needs to be dozens of war fronts. I like the current situation. It allows me to farm a lot of ISK and if I choose to, I can go to some area and PvP if I'm feeling spunky.
The game doesn't HAVE to always be at war. If the players choose peace, then that is our decision. If you don't like it, go play WoW.
You like peace?
Then YOU need to go play wow, ******* carebear. |
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