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Vlad Karamazov |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:31:00 -
[1771] Edited by: Vlad Karamazov on 02/11/2005 18:33:40 Edited by: Vlad Karamazov on 02/11/2005 18:31:59 Originally by: Verlan Drones are efectively FoF or near it. This post shows complete lack of understanding of what the changes will be. If you could control 15 drones on dominx then you have drone interface to 5 and dont need to train it anymore . Cool thing isnt it? If you do need to train DI to lvl5 then you will get better preformance then before since you could not have lvl 15. What do you mean I dont belive 5 drones will do what 15 did. If domi gets the bonus to mining then they will. Simple as 5+5*100%+5*100% = 15 If domi doesnt get the bonus then it is equal to 10 old drones. There is nothing about belive in here. Just do your math. That post is just example of many whining posts by ppl who are likely never used drones before , have no skills in them and now they notice drones will be useful for something more then extra litle bit of damage. Edit: Now i notice - you were being sarcastic. Silly me. |
Vlad Karamazov |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:31:00 -
[1772] Edited by: Vlad Karamazov on 02/11/2005 18:33:40 Edited by: Vlad Karamazov on 02/11/2005 18:31:59 Originally by: Verlan Drones are efectively FoF or near it. This post shows complete lack of understanding of what the changes will be. If you could control 15 drones on dominx then you have drone interface to 5 and dont need to train it anymore . Cool thing isnt it? If you do need to train DI to lvl5 then you will get better preformance then before since you could not have lvl 15. What do you mean I dont belive 5 drones will do what 15 did. If domi gets the bonus to mining then they will. Simple as 5+5*100%+5*100% = 15 If domi doesnt get the bonus then it is equal to 10 old drones. There is nothing about belive in here. Just do your math. That post is just example of many whining posts by ppl who are likely never used drones before , have no skills in them and now they notice drones will be useful for something more then extra litle bit of damage. Edit: Now i notice - you were being sarcastic. Silly me. |
Aakron |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:35:00 -
[1773] At first I was very sceptical about the changes, with the damage bonus reassigned to all damage types and the explanations made clearer in the blog I am quite happy with the changes. I am of course disappointed that I will no longer be able to release swarms of drones although if this helps to release lag then i suppose it is acceptable. The dominix bonus to HP and damage seems good, although yes I would miss the ability to mine with 15 instead of what is now effectively 10 drones I dont think you can give the dominix a bonus to mining yield..its just wrong! |
Aakron Infinitus Odium |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:35:00 -
[1774] At first I was very sceptical about the changes, with the damage bonus reassigned to all damage types and the explanations made clearer in the blog I am quite happy with the changes. I am of course disappointed that I will no longer be able to release swarms of drones although if this helps to release lag then i suppose it is acceptable. The dominix bonus to HP and damage seems good, although yes I would miss the ability to mine with 15 instead of what is now effectively 10 drones I dont think you can give the dominix a bonus to mining yield..its just wrong! --- |
Alex Harumichi |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:45:00 -
[1775] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/11/2005 18:45:40 Tux, I'm a drone user so it might surprise you to hear this, but: Could we please have a reduction in heavy drone tracking / effective damage vs. small ships? Along with this, I'd like a boost to light drone effectiveness against those same small ships. At the moment, heavy drones are *much* too effective vs all ship types (sort of the old missile problem), while light drones are very close to useles (even a swarm of them won't really harm an interceptor). I'd like some reason to also use light and medium drones, please, instead of just always heavies if I can fit them. |
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:45:00 -
[1776] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/11/2005 18:45:40 Tux, I'm a drone user so it might surprise you to hear this, but: Could we please have a reduction in heavy drone tracking / effective damage vs. small ships? Along with this, I'd like a boost to light drone effectiveness against those same small ships. At the moment, heavy drones are *much* too effective vs all ship types (sort of the old missile problem), while light drones are very close to useles (even a swarm of them won't really harm an interceptor). I'd like some reason to also use light and medium drones, please, instead of just always heavies if I can fit them. |
Clavius XIV |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:49:00 -
[1777] Edited by: Clavius XIV on 02/11/2005 18:49:03 Originally by: Tiny Carlos This is actually an excellent point. Its a good thing that the intial proposal is being adjusted to insure that drone specialists in drone ships don't do less damage/mining than before. However for ships with less than 100m3 dronebay,this represents a significant dps boost. In the best case, take the Prophecy, which with the current 50m^3 dronebay can currently launch 2 heavies or 5 mediums. A Prophecy pilot with drone interfacing or drones V does exactly the same max dps currently as one that also has interfacing 5. (could launch 10 lights, but they do less damage than 5 mediums). With the changes a prophecy pilot can *double*current maximum possible drone dps. You also see the incongruities with the drone cruisers. Currently to maximize drone cruiser dps, you want to fill the dronebay while using the most medium drones possible. For my Arbitrator this means 15 medium drones for maximum damage. With the new drone interfacing, the spare drone space won't generally be used for spare drones, but for heavies. As was pointed out in the blog, this is an effective gain of 2 heavy drones. While I fly the Arbitrator 99.99% of the time, and this would benefit me, I still think that this is a bit whacky (althouth with the 4/4/4 nerf I guess I can look at it as compensation without feeling too guilty). Of course all cruisers with between 50 and 100m3 of drone space are getting an effective damage boost from this, so perhaps on the cruiser level it will all balance out, but theres a lot of subtle complexities just in the damage department, before you even think about the ewar/logistic capabilities. I'm not sure how to solve this (well other than just leaving things how they are, which would be my preference :p) |
Clavius XIV Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2005.11.02 18:49:00 -
[1778] Edited by: Clavius XIV on 02/11/2005 18:50:25 Edited by: Clavius XIV on 02/11/2005 18:49:03 Originally by: Tiny Carlos This is actually an excellent point. Its a good thing that the intial proposal is being adjusted to insure that drone specialists in drone ships don't do less damage/mining than before. However for ships with less than 100m3 dronebay,this represents a significant dps boost. In the best case, take the Prophecy, which with the current 50m^3 dronebay can currently launch 2 heavies or 5 mediums. A Prophecy pilot with drone interfacing or drones V does exactly the same max dps currently. (could launch 10 lights, but they do less damage than 5 mediums). With the changes a prophecy pilot can *double*current maximum possible drone dps. You also see the incongruities with the drone cruisers. Currently to maximize drone cruiser dps, you want to fill the dronebay while using the most medium drones possible. For my Arbitrator this means 15 medium drones for maximum damage. With the new drone interfacing, the spare drone space won't generally be used for spare drones, but for heavies. As was pointed out in the blog, this is an effective gain of 2 heavy drones. While I fly the Arbitrator 99.99% of the time, and this would benefit me, I still think that this is a bit whacky (althouth with the 4/4/4 nerf I guess I can look at it as compensation without feeling too guilty). Of course all cruisers with between 50 and 100m3 of drone space are getting an effective damage boost from this, so perhaps on the cruiser level it will all balance out, but theres a lot of subtle complexities just in the damage department, before you even think about the ewar/logistic capabilities. I'm not sure how to solve this (well other than just leaving things how they are, which would be my preference :p) |
Farjung |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:16:00 -
[1779]Originally by: El'jonson Your maths is borked. 30 (base mining) * 1.25 (mining drones 5) * 2 (drone interfacing 5) * 1.5 (ship skill) * 5 = 562.5 units/cycle. |
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:16:00 -
[1780]Originally by: El'jonson Your maths is borked. 30 (base mining) * 1.25 (mining drones 5) * 2 (drone interfacing 5) * 1.5 (ship skill) * 5 = 562.5 units/cycle. Wave of Mutilation 2 |
Derran |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:28:00 -
[1781] Edited by: Derran on 02/11/2005 19:31:40 Originally by: Alex Harumichi I agree in regards to the tracking for the heavy drones. I'm a Dominix and Scorpion pilot, they are the only battleships I use now. The only reason that makes me use 15 medium drones on my Scorpion (I can control 10) is to make FoFs ineffective against me. Other than that, for the Scorpion, I don't care about the damage overall of them because if the opponent can't shoot me, who cares. But on my dominix, there has been no reason to use light/medium drones. They are just a 'step down' really on a Dominix for me. |
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:28:00 -
[1782] Edited by: Derran on 02/11/2005 19:31:40 Originally by: Alex Harumichi I agree in regards to the tracking for the heavy drones. I'm a Dominix and Scorpion pilot, they are the only battleships I use now. The only reason that makes me use 15 medium drones on my Scorpion (I can control 10) is to make FoFs ineffective against me. Other than that, for the Scorpion, I don't care about the damage overall of them because if the opponent can't shoot me, who cares. But on my dominix, there has been no reason to use light/medium drones. They are just a 'step down' really on a Dominix for me. |
Haniblecter Teg |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:38:00 -
[1783] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 02/11/2005 19:39:49 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Nothing really seems to make sense to you, maybe you should stop playing such a complex game, maybe go for WoW? Originally by: Clavius XIV Me thinks they should jsut scrap this ENTIRE idea. Its blowing up in their face. Friends Forever |
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:38:00 -
[1784] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 02/11/2005 19:39:53 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Nothing really seems to make sense to you, maybe you should stop playing such a complex game, maybe go for WoW? Originally by: Clavius XIV Me thinks they should jsut scrap this ENTIRE idea. Its blowing up in their face. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever |
Derran |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:48:00 -
[1785]Originally by: Clavius XIV Did you do the math? I don't have all the figures in front of me currently but based on what I remember off the top of my head, I'll throw some fairly attainable skill levels out there that average people train train the skills up to then stop unless they are drone specialists. Using the Prophecy now: 22 base heavy drone damage Heavy Drone 4 Drone Interfacing 4 I think I am forgetting one more multiplier in there but I'll leave it out of both equations. So currently you have 2 heavy drones. 22 * 1.2 (Heavy Drones 4) = 26.4 per drone every 2 seconds Effectively 52.8 every 2 seconds because you can have 2 heavies. After changes: 22 * 1.2 (Heavy Drones 4) * 1.8 (Drone Interfacing 4) = 47.52 Effectively 47.52 every 2 seconds because after changes, you can only have 1 heavy drone in a Prophecy's drone bay. Around a 5 point reduction for a non drone carrier. |
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2005.11.02 19:48:00 -
[1786]Originally by: Clavius XIV Did you do the math? I don't have all the figures in front of me currently but based on what I remember off the top of my head, I'll throw some fairly attainable skill levels out there that average people train train the skills up to then stop unless they are drone specialists. Using the Prophecy now: 22 base heavy drone damage Heavy Drone 4 Drone Interfacing 4 I think I am forgetting one more multiplier in there but I'll leave it out of both equations. So currently you have 2 heavy drones. 22 * 1.2 (Heavy Drones 4) = 26.4 per drone every 2 seconds Effectively 52.8 every 2 seconds because you can have 2 heavies. After changes: 22 * 1.2 (Heavy Drones 4) * 1.8 (Drone Interfacing 4) = 47.52 Effectively 47.52 every 2 seconds because after changes, you can only have 1 heavy drone in a Prophecy's drone bay. Around a 5 point reduction for a non drone carrier. |
Lady Chiron |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:00:00 -
[1787]Originally by: Grimpak Good point. People use 10-15 mining drones for, well, mining. What happens when they can only use 5 and there are no bonuses for them? They become absolutely useless. |
Lady Chiron Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:00:00 -
[1788]Originally by: Grimpak Good point. People use 10-15 mining drones for, well, mining. What happens when they can only use 5 and there are no bonuses for them? They become absolutely useless. -------------------------------- I am Lady Chiron Recruiting Officer, Dark Orion SW Believe in yourself and create your own destiny. Do not fear fate. |
keepiru |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:04:00 -
[1789]Originally by: Lady ChironOriginally by: Grimpak Sigh. Once again: Drone interfacing gives 20% to damage & 20% to mining yeld. ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP? |
keepiru Supernova Security Systems |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:04:00 -
[1790]Originally by: Lady ChironOriginally by: Grimpak Sigh. Once again: Drone interfacing gives 20% to damage & 20% to mining yeld. Boost T2 Plate HP! |
GC13 |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:05:00 -
[1791]Originally by: Lady ChironI could have sworn it said that Drone Interfacing would give the +20% to mining drones, in addition to drone damage. One of us obviously needs to learn how to read better. Since I'm looking at the line in the dev blog (it's in both drone entries, so just pick one) right now, it's obviously not me.Originally by: Grimpak |
GC13 Caldari Derelik Trading Company |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:05:00 -
[1792]Originally by: Lady ChironI could have sworn it said that Drone Interfacing would give the +20% to mining drones, in addition to drone damage. One of us obviously needs to learn how to read better. Since I'm looking at the line in the dev blog (it's in both drone entries, so just pick one) right now, it's obviously not me.Originally by: Grimpak -- Science and Industry guide plus A Newbie's Guide to Caldari Ships Eve and RPG blog |
Porro |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:07:00 -
[1793] Thats still 5 drones short. Drone interfacing gives 20% to mining, that would equal 10 mining drones at current state, not 15. And tuxford didnt forget if you read the devblog he says it felt wrong giving a battleship a mining bonus. I think. :P |
Porro Reikoku Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:07:00 -
[1794] Thats still 5 drones short. Drone interfacing gives 20% to mining, that would equal 10 mining drones at current state, not 15. And tuxford didnt forget if you read the devblog he says it felt wrong giving a battleship a mining bonus. I think. :P ---------------------------------------------------- (22:01:14) (Sangxianc) you, porro, have madder skillzors than i, sang, do |
GC13 |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:11:00 -
[1795]Originally by: Porro Originally by: Tuxford (in the new blog entry) So, you know where you can stick it, right? |
GC13 Caldari Derelik Trading Company |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:11:00 -
[1796]Originally by: Porro Originally by: Tuxford (in the new blog entry) So, you know where you can stick it, right? -- Science and Industry guide plus A Newbie's Guide to Caldari Ships Eve and RPG blog |
Derran |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:23:00 -
[1797]Originally by: Porro I agree with him. Using a battleship to mine would be like using a sports car to haul fish. Nothing is going to stop you from doing it, but that isn't what it is for. |
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:23:00 -
[1798]Originally by: Porro I agree with him. Using a battleship to mine would be like using a sports car to haul fish. Nothing is going to stop you from doing it, but that isn't what it is for. |
SengH |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:26:00 -
[1799] tux after this is it possible to make gang bonuses apply to drones now that they are more hardened? Also any possible sets of gang mods comming for drones? |
SengH Black Omega Security GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2005.11.02 20:26:00 -
[1800] tux after this is it possible to make gang bonuses apply to drones now that they are more hardened? Also any possible sets of gang mods comming for drones? |
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