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wicked cheese
Imperial Research Inovations
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:02:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:even though the blog says its going to be the tier 3 battlecruiser i still wonder. the concept of these ships using oversized guns will be new to eve, which i one reason i doubt they will be T1. Stealth Bombers proved the concept had merit (granted, they are a T2 ship). If the concept works, and it does work well, why not introduce it to a standard Tier 3 ship as well...
i actually forgot about bombers lol
and yes you are correct they have made the transition good and not become game breaking in any way, although they have been edited several times over history. but the big difference here still remains that they are T2, so most people wouldnt be willing to throw them away on highsec ganks or 100man fleets of them.
way back in the day someone realized that missles were not limited to the size of the launcher but its capacity. the result was kestrels shooting torps. this was also pre missle nerf so your talking a handful of brand new alts could gank alot of big stuff in highsec.
now ofcourse this would have much more loss involved being a larger bc with large guns and the insurance rebalance, but it sounds like a much better option than using a bs atm. highsec ganking doesnt bother me either way but releasing a griefing machine doesnt sound the most profitable for ccp active account numbers
no matter what tech level i look forward to flying them, as ive got all those skills to V anyways ^.^ |
Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:03:00 -
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Not to sound negative, in fact I'm really happy about the new BCs, but are there plans to boost (some) command ships a bit? In their current form some of them struggle to compete even with tier2 BCs. Nighthawk for instance does not offer much benefit over a Drake. Considering the price tag it's not worth to use it in PvP. Same for Abso vs. Harb I'd say.
Additional question: any news about the anounced graphics update of all the old ships. Maller was the last one. Very great work. Are there more to come in winter? |
Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:11:00 -
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Master Akira wrote:All Cruiser V, BC V, All T2 Large Specs trained crew checking in. I'll just sit here sipping my mojito until winter
Second that, I'll love this ship |
Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:11:00 -
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These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular. |
engjin
The Konvergent League Shades of Gray
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:14:00 -
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Congrats and again awesome work Pattern Clarc.
+1 to CCP for the work on FIS |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:17:00 -
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All for new ships, but I hope that someone is also considering rebalancing or repurposing the Tier 1 BCs - otherwise, CCP should just remove them from the game. The introduction of Tier 2 BCs already nerfed the popularity of the Tier 1 BCs from "commonly used" to "rarely seen". If the Tier 3 BCs are going to be the new uber glass cannons, then certain Tier 1 BCs (and perhaps even Tier 2 BCs), as they stand now, are going to be completely obsolete.
I refer you to the expert: http://altruist.azual.co.uk/2011/09/know-your-enemy-battlecruisers.html
In particular, I predict that the Gallente Tier 3 BC is going to be tough to balance. The Gallente already have the uber T1 gunships - the Brutix and the Megathron - slipping another T1 ship between them will be difficult, esp. with the announced buff to hybrids. The Gallente also already have the uber T1 droneships - the Myrmidon and the Dominix. There isn't much room for another T1 ship between these two either.
It would probably make more sense, from a purely game balance POV, to just upgrade the existing Tier 1 BCs to use BS class weapons. But, as I said earlier, I like new ships, too. :) |
kunniz
ISKRA-FU-0717 Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:22:00 -
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So what you did is you made tier1/2 battlecruisers completely obsolete now.
and why would you fly 150mil hac when it dies everytime to 40mil tier3 bc?
hope these new ships will be in balance somehow... |
Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:23:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular.
No need to nerf tier 2 BCs. They work as they are imo. Some command ships and cruisers need a boost. Nighthawk is a 10% better Drake and has fitting issues as soon a warefare link comes into play. Omen has fitting issues. Moa will work with boosted hybrids I hope. Some cruisers and HACs are just specialists...which is great. Blackbird and Caracal are good examples.
I agree tier 3 BCs should have a worse tank compared to the other BCs. If not why use them then? |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:29:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1496683
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/misc/createastarship/Mentor_Battlecruiser.jpg
Mentor mentor men-tor! Mentor mentor men-tor! Pretty please... |
Sieges
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:30:00 -
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WOW!!! That is a sweet ship!! CCP gave us ship spinning back and 4 new ships are coming? I'm all in |
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:39:00 -
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Vincent VanOgh wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I endorse this product and/or service. And the new Gallente BC is radical. I hope by "radical" you mean "actually works" Please, let's not get our hopes up. It's a Gallente boat.
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Shin Dari
The Vendunari Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.10.21 20:59:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular. I don't agree with you, tier 1 BC are very cost effective.
kunniz wrote:So what you did is you made tier1/2 battlecruisers completely obsolete now.
and why would you fly 150mil hac when it dies everytime to 40mil tier3 bc?
hope these new ships will be in balance somehow... Frigates will eat tier 3 BC for lunch.
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John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:05:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:Mr Hurricane, your days are counted.
This is actually a really good point. Please be careful with the balancing so that it doesn't render the cane useless. |
Trillian Stargazer
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:10:00 -
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<3 ccp. |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:12:00 -
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Time I finally got around to training Battlecruisers V I guess "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
Disturbed Lucy
Zim and Lucy's excellent adventure
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:14:00 -
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large guns can't track frigates and fast / close orbiting cruiser-sized ships. Tier 1+2 Battlecruisers won't be obsolete imho. The Tier 3 BCs will be a nice addition to cost-effective BC-Gangs (Tech 1 => insurance). |
Zelphinine
OCTAGON Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:16:00 -
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How about a Caldari gunship that actually had real DPS?
I guess that's the domain of Gallente ships but still. I'd like hybrids to not be pointless lolfit jokes for Caldari. :( |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:44:00 -
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Shin Dari wrote:Cpt Fina wrote:These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular. I don't agree with you, tier 1 BC are very cost effective. kunniz wrote:So what you did is you made tier1/2 battlecruisers completely obsolete now.
and why would you fly 150mil hac when it dies everytime to 40mil tier3 bc?
hope these new ships will be in balance somehow... Frigates will eat tier 3 BC for lunch.
what like assault frigs? |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:57:00 -
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TOO MUCH EXCITEMENT |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:03:00 -
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Easy way to make sure these don't become and all too cheap gank ship rendering high sec essentially lawless is to make them tech 2 battlecruisers. Take away the cheap. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:05:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Easy way to make sure these don't become and all too cheap gank ship rendering high sec essentially lawlessGǪ GǪbut why would you make sure of that?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Szilardis
Cryogenic Creations
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:09:00 -
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Can this come with a buff to Tier 1 BCs that make them more useful, then? |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Easy way to make sure these don't become and all too cheap gank ship rendering high sec essentially lawlessGǪ GǪbut why would you make sure of that?
Because I doubt CCP wants to drive off a significant portion of their players by rendering their home uninhabitable. Believe me, I'd rather have it be a cheap, fun ship. But if the end result is that you can barely fly anything through high sec? Nope. Sorry, it might not be perfect security space, but it's still supposed to be high. And these ships will make it chaotic if they're cheap. |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:17:00 -
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Hmm. Wonder if it'll have an ROF penalty, like Destroyers. |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:41:00 -
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Pocket Battle Ship was the term of choice back in the day. A Heavy Cruiser hull with Battle Ship guns. In their time they were often refered to as the ' Terror of the Sea's' for their unmatched combination of speed and destructive power.
Glad I hate sking cause i know where i'll be all winter.
Muahahaah a Myrm with heavy neutrons. I feel th love already. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:55:00 -
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Very interesting. Funnily, just as some of my characters were finishing the final large t2 bs weapons.. this is a signature |
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:15:00 -
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And here I was ready to leave EVE for Skyrim.....thank you CCP. A cane with BS guns...thank you!
On another mater, any possibility of un nerfing the speed nerf of Minnie ships? |
Jarin Arenos
Pawn Brokers
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:16:00 -
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I know the similarity has been pointed out, but putting them side by side...
Well, let's just say that the MInmatar seem to have a new trade agreement with the Gallente.
Tornado design comparison |
Floydd Heywood
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:57:00 -
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This should be interesting. Although I mourn a little for my beloved battleships. The smaller ships are already better in most situations, and also cheaper. Now there will be speedy new small ships that combine the firepower of battleships with the agility of battlecruisers, making battleships even less important.
However... happy me, who has skilled BC V and 2 Large Turrets. I should be well prepared to adapt :) |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:08:00 -
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Shin Dari wrote:Cpt Fina wrote:These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular. I don't agree with you, tier 1 BC are very cost effective. kunniz wrote:So what you did is you made tier1/2 battlecruisers completely obsolete now.
and why would you fly 150mil hac when it dies everytime to 40mil tier3 bc?
hope these new ships will be in balance somehow... Frigates will eat tier 3 BC for lunch.
not if the tier 3 has a drone bay they wont Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
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