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Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:00:00 -
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So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive). |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:02:00 -
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you mean aside from the fact that it's not "all" we're getting, and even if it was, it's an excellent change?
i think being almost finished with tiericide, a scanning system that isn't tedious and boring, a massive resource shakeup, and some rather nice ui tweaks make a pretty good expansion.
however you're entitled to your opinion even if it is hideously wrong. |
AzAkiR NaLDa
Real Simple Construction The Citadel Consortium
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:03:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).
Seems like you are one of few that want content rich expansions instead of fixes. Get out off your CQ go outside so we can kill you.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:05:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270
Page full of stickies says you're wrong. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
332
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:05:00 -
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The main rage over Incarna was more about the changing attitude of CCP (hilarious microtransactions, Greed is Good) and the poor, limited, forced nature of the CQ than the fact there was a CQ itself.
Whereas Odyssey is actually bringing quite a lot. There's likely more too. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:05:00 -
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AzAkiR NaLDa wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive). Seems like you are one of few that want content rich expansions instead of fixes. Get out off your CQ go outside so we can kill you.
Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:06:00 -
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CCP has gotten their promises and expectations management under control; Never promise anything concrete for now, but hint at things for the future. Never let the players expect something, but let them feel special when they get bread crumbs.
Add: It is a pretty basic marketing practice btw. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:08:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:CCP has gotten their promises and expectations management under control; Never promise anything concrete for now, but hint at things for the future. Never let the players expect something, but let them feel special when they get bread crumbs.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Dalmont Delantee
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:09:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:AzAkiR NaLDa wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive). Seems like you are one of few that want content rich expansions instead of fixes. Get out off your CQ go outside so we can kill you. Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.
Complain when you pay -ú50 for an expansion and get nothing. You forget all the under the hood stuff as well they do to prepare for later ones.
So much market speculation stuff, warfare stuff and exploration changes in this one anyway.
You know wow is that way, you can play pokewow now and plants vs zombies in it too
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:12:00 -
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No, but it also answer why nobody feel enraged (entitled) with the next "expansion". Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1375
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:13:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote: Complain when you pay -ú50 for an expansion and get nothing. You forget all the under the hood stuff as well they do to prepare for later ones.
So much market speculation stuff, warfare stuff and exploration changes in this one anyway.
You know wow is that way, you can play pokewow now and plants vs zombies in it too
Market speculation is driven by players, for a start. Do you mean mineral supply changes?
No, no, the OP has a fair point. Yes, I agree these changes are fantastic and necessary, but the expansion is a bit barebones. Honestly I wouldn't mind except for the fact that the last expansion was pretty meagre too. No chance of a big ol' pomp-and-ceremony expansion at some point in the near future? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:18:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:but the expansion is a bit barebones. Honestly I wouldn't mind except for the fact that the last expansion was pretty meagre too. No chance of a big ol' pomp-and-ceremony expansion at some point in the near future?
Clearly you dont fly an Apoc or any Navy Issue BSes. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:21:00 -
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Given that this game is a sandbox where the content is player-driven, how can people then rage that CCP are not delivering "content" in an xpac? |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:36:00 -
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Although this expansion doesn't even vaguely compare to the Incarna micro-transactions disaster, I have to say I agree that I am a little disappointed. They said they wanted to make changes that would affect everyone, and frankly I don't see much changing in highsec or lowsec.
Elinarien wrote:Given that this game is a sandbox where the content is player-driven, how can people then rage that CCP are not delivering "content" in an xpac?
Of course, this is a sandbox and we make the content. This person gets it. Lets remove all the ships, POSes, sov mechanics, Industrial stuff and just fly around in our pods. We can make the content ourselves *Facepalm* "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:44:00 -
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actually with CQ we was getting less than we are getting with this expansion so . thats why there is no rage .
1. can still spin ships 2. not forced into a closet with nothing to do. 3. added content 4. ship balancing 5. ui improvements /? 6. possible improvements to industry and the eve economy .
incarna offered nothing .
if you want to know what incarna would have been like go play dust and before you drop into battle you will have a pretty close representation what incarna would have been like .
a lot of avatars standing around in room with nothing to do .
the expansions we are getting now are laying ground work better things to come . |
Beatrice Bourdain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:49:00 -
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Being an adult, and this being a game, I don't really feel rage is an apposite reaction to some changes. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
506
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:52:00 -
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There is no point to rage, CCP has proven that they do not care about customers, so if you do not like changes just quit. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:53:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:AzAkiR NaLDa wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive). Seems like you are one of few that want content rich expansions instead of fixes. Get out off your CQ go outside so we can kill you. Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.
Content is also almost always paid for. We get it for free. Stop your whining. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
685
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:55:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:AzAkiR NaLDa wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive). Seems like you are one of few that want content rich expansions instead of fixes. Get out off your CQ go outside so we can kill you. Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.
In sandbox mmo-rpg's, players are the content. What EvE Online needs is constant iteration on existing systems, that's why the last 3 expansions were amayzing. R Tape Loading Error |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
482
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:57:00 -
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Having a hard time coming up with something concrete to actually rage about. |
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1376
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Clearly you dont fly an Apoc or any Navy Issue BSes.
Clearly you don't know what "content" refers to, as opposed to changing some numbers on a database. I'm well aware of tiericide and the revamps, but these are not new, they are necessary. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:10:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Although this expansion doesn't even vaguely compare to the Incarna micro-transactions disaster, I have to say I agree that I am a little disappointed. They said they wanted to make changes that would affect everyone, and frankly I don't see much changing in highsec or lowsec. Elinarien wrote:Given that this game is a sandbox where the content is player-driven, how can people then rage that CCP are not delivering "content" in an xpac? Of course, this is a sandbox and we make the content. This person gets it. Lets remove all the ships, POSes, sov mechanics, Industrial stuff and just fly around in our pods. We can make the content ourselves *Facepalm*
I suppose all YOUR ships, POSs etc were all handed to you by CCP and werent manufactured by players? "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:11:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Clearly you dont fly an Apoc or any Navy Issue BSes. Clearly you don't know what "content" refers to, as opposed to changing some numbers on a database. I'm well aware of tiericide and the revamps, but these are not new, they are necessary.
CLEARLY you havent a clue whats being done, so I have no idea what "content" you think is missing and should be added. "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:15:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).
The CQ was fine. But it was less than half of what everyone was expecting, and it still is. We got one room. Just one. The reason people were pissed at CCP over that expansion because of the low level of stuff we got to do in-game following the expansion. Also, the greed is good rubbish caused more kicking off than the CQ ever would. They removed ship spinning completely (stupid), and a lot of other stupid mistakes.
CQ would have been welcomed with open arms if they hadn't of messed up so badly. Having said that, Incarna set the stage because Incarna is when they integrated the CARBON engine. And that is probably the best thing that ever happened to Eve, but no one want's to think Incarna brought Eve the best update ever. It did though. CARBON made Time Dilation possible, and the crime watch changes, and many of the UI issues. It massively improved game performance in almost every area and allowed for a lot of the graphics updates we're seeing now. All of this stuff started in Crucible, the next expansion after Incarna, because Incarna set it up that way. And Crucible was easily the best expansion we have ever had excluding Apocrypha (I personally prefer Crucible, but I understand why most think Apocypha was better).
Sri Nova wrote:incarna offered nothing .
See above. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1376
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: CLEARLY you havent a clue whats being done, so I have no idea what "content" you think is missing and should be added.
CLEARLY (yep this is gonna become a game of oneupsmanship) you're overestimating what's being done. We've had near half of the actual "content" already in the form of the capital and station V3 being added to TQ pre-odyssey. It's great that the little bits of content are being added, but there's nothing magnificent or major that will keep you interested past the day it'll take to get used to the new jumpgate animation or the system scanner animation. Think apocrypha - the last few expansions have been "little" things; where are the plans for something "big"? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Dave Stark
3041
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:22:00 -
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i think people confuse "expansion" with "addition" |
Beatrice Bourdain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:23:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: CLEARLY you havent a clue whats being done, so I have no idea what "content" you think is missing and should be added. CLEARLY (yep this is gonna become a game of oneupsmanship) you're overestimating what's being done. We've had near half of the actual "content" already in the form of the capital and station V3 being added to TQ pre-odyssey. It's great that the little bits of content are being added, but there's nothing magnificent or major that will keep you interested past the day it'll take to get used to the new jumpgate animation or the system scanner animation. Think apocrypha - the last few expansions have been "little" things; where are the plans for something "big"?
o.o
I am astonished memories are so short! CCP were keel-hauled for focusing on the "big" to the detriment of the "little". They got a real scare when $1million+ worth of accounts unsubbed over this approach.
There is no pleasing some people! |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
43
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:24:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).
The CQ was fine. But it was less than half of what everyone was expecting, and it still is. We got one room. Just one. The reason people were pissed at CCP over that expansion was because of the low level of stuff we got to do in-game following the expansion. Also, the greed is good rubbish caused more kicking off than the CQ ever would. They removed ship spinning completely (stupid), and a lot of other stupid mistakes. CQ would have been welcomed with open arms if they hadn't of messed up so badly. Having said that, Incarna set the stage because Incarna is when they integrated the CARBON engine. And that is probably the best thing that ever happened to Eve (EVER), but no one want's to think Incarna brought Eve the best update ever. It did though. CARBON made Time Dilation possible, and the crime watch changes, and many of the UI issues. It massively improved game performance in almost every area and allowed for a lot of the graphics updates we're seeing now. All of this stuff started in Crucible, the next expansion after Incarna, because Incarna set it up that way. And Crucible was easily the best expansion we have ever had excluding Apocrypha (I personally prefer Crucible, but I understand why most think Apocypha was better). Sri Nova wrote:incarna offered nothing . See above. Ramona McCandless wrote:Arduemont wrote:Of course, this is a sandbox and we make the content. This person gets it. Lets remove all the ships, POSes, sov mechanics, Industrial stuff and just fly around in our pods. We can make the content ourselves *Facepalm* I suppose all YOUR ships, POSs etc were all handed to you by CCP and werent manufactured by players? If you can't see why that statement is straight up stupid, I wont bother trying to correct you.
I pointed out why your statement was "straight up stupid" (whatever THAT is supposed to mean), so you don't need to correct me.
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:26:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: CLEARLY you havent a clue whats being done, so I have no idea what "content" you think is missing and should be added. CLEARLY (yep this is gonna become a game of oneupsmanship) you're overestimating what's being done. We've had near half of the actual "content" already in the form of the capital and station V3 being added to TQ pre-odyssey. It's great that the little bits of content are being added, but there's nothing magnificent or major that will keep you interested past the day it'll take to get used to the new jumpgate animation or the system scanner animation. Think apocrypha - the last few expansions have been "little" things; where are the plans for something "big"?
You dont even know what you want and you are deriding others for getting what they want.
Jealous much? Just because you are too lazy to read the massive list of things being changed and added doesnt make my point any less valid.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
896
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:27:00 -
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Beatrice Bourdain wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: CLEARLY you havent a clue whats being done, so I have no idea what "content" you think is missing and should be added. CLEARLY (yep this is gonna become a game of oneupsmanship) you're overestimating what's being done. We've had near half of the actual "content" already in the form of the capital and station V3 being added to TQ pre-odyssey. It's great that the little bits of content are being added, but there's nothing magnificent or major that will keep you interested past the day it'll take to get used to the new jumpgate animation or the system scanner animation. Think apocrypha - the last few expansions have been "little" things; where are the plans for something "big"? o.o I am astonished memories are so short! CCP were keel-hauled for focusing on the "big" to the detriment of the "little". They got a real scare when $1million+ worth of accounts unsubbed over this approach. There is no pleasing some people! no ****.
some people seem to forget that content in EVE is made by the players. CCP only gives out the tools, and sometimes all they do, and need to, is transform a hammer into a screwdriver. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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