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Jeune
Anomalous Existence Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:21:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull ... what do you guys think?
This. Now, if not sooner. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
3818
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:43:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
- Eos would use the Myrm hull
- Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
- Abso would use the Harb hull
- Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I think this needs to happen. Do it!
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SanshaGrey
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:56:00 -
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As I've already stated in my previous message I definitely like the idea of assigning different hulls for each and every t2 ship. Now I would like to say a word or two about it's implementation as I believe that current tiericide initiative produced some really good background for it.
If we want to assign any t2 ship a [cool, shiny and AWESOME] hull that suits it's role, we really have to be able to answer two simple questions and those are: what role does that t2 ship have AND what hull suits that role best? The tiericide in it's current state got the second question covered - all hulls are now assigned distinct roles and are unlikely to change them in the foreseeable future. The first question is to be answered by the further tiericide as AFAIK CCP will sooner or later rebalance and tweak ALL ships in the game including faction and t2.
One more important thing to notice is the Stealth Bomber case. As you surely know, SBs got nice new hulls that are based on t1 variants yet are touched by divine designers hand to become WAY cooler.
I actually think it would be great to combine SB-like redesign and hull assignment and deliver small number of redesigned t2 ships with every expansion.
So what do you think? |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:56:00 -
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Honestly, I loved the old 7 blaster 5 T2 heavy eos. Changing it over to the myrmidon hull might give it a "clean break" of sorts from its former glory and its transition to the CreoDron(e) ship it should have transitioned into when it was mauled (nerf is too kind), but in doing so it will lose all reason for restoring its chin dish. I miss that little doohickey.
That said...
I think I'd rather see the field command ships use the (formerly) tier 3 BC hulls and incorporate the battleship-sized weapon aspect into their design from the start.
Oracle -> Absolution Naga -> Nighthawk Talos -> Astarte Tornado -> Sleipnir
Strictly speaking the Naga is counter-intuitive, and the Astarte on a brutix hull looks awesome, however if we were to delineate between fleet and field command based on function and assign battleship-sized guns to field command ships to help with that differentiation it makes a kind of sense to go this route. Also a Naga with cruise launchers up and down its arms/legs firing off volleys of 8 missiles a pop would just look awesome.
That would leave the battlecruiser hulls that are not getting navy variants open for usage as the new fleet command hull.
Myrmidon -> Eos Prophecy -> Damnation Ferox -> Vulture Cyclone -> Claymore
At this point it might be worthwhile to consider consolidating ship design options between Boundless Creation and Core Complexion and splitting them up based on the dual weapon nature of Minmatar design philosophy. Specifically consider designing Core Complexion ships, and incidentally the Claymore, to make use of missile bonuses and have Boundless Creation handle the gun-bonused ships. Of course this would probably also require swapping the Hound out to be a CC ship instead of a BC ship as a result as it would make more sense to have the missile-oriented manufacturer handle the stealth bomber.
Just some thoughts that I don't really expect to be popular, especially the idea of modifying field command ships to sport large turrets/launchers and mucking with Minmatar T2 ship design philosophy. Of course that latter group might not be too miffed given that the only Core Complexion ship that's seriously dedicated to gun-based damage is the Tempest Fleet Issue, and that ship's perhaps only a "kinda/sorta" CC ship. All the others have non-damaging combat aspects that might mesh better with missiles than projectiles. Might. |
Spyker Slater
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:58:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I don't care too much about these, but if you guys touch my beautiful black Damnation, I'm rioting! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:12:00 -
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Spyker Slater wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull I don't care too much about these, but if you guys touch my beautiful black Damnation, I'm rioting!
If you notice, the Damnation isn't in that list. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
439
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:33:00 -
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Meh, I like the look of the "tier 1" (though its now an outdated term) more than the Tier 2 BCs, so I'm going to give a mild no. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1150
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:33:00 -
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I have no problem with those changes |
Morgan North
The Wild Bunch The Empty Mirror
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:38:00 -
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+1.
All There is to it.
Althought I'm more partial to the Claymore being the Hurricane hull, than the Sleipnir. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1151
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:48:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later. Yay |
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Rembraan
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:56:00 -
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Do it, Fozzie! |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:10:00 -
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Voting people must post what ships they use. Looks like absolution's pilots, like me, against this change |
Angelhunter
Conquering Darkness
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:38:00 -
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You stay the hell away from my Sleipnir Fozzie, I MEAN IT!
This ranks up there with some of the biggest "Why?" questions i have ever seen. The ships all look great as they are. Turning the Nighthawk into a Drake is comical though, i will give you that. |
RatKnight1
Conquering Darkness
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:40:00 -
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Fozzie... I like you...
If you touch my command ship hulls and turn them into some nasty looking shadow of their former selves, I swear, I will find your pod, I will kill your pod, I will fly with your corpse strapped to the front end of my ship.
On a related note, can you create a "corpse slot" for us to attach corpses to the nose of our ships?... you know, just in case.
Thanks! |
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:54:00 -
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Pics please The Tek - a show that covers hardware, pc games, indie games, legal policies that pertain to technology, the internet, and nerd culture. Please sign: Disabling the clouds in anomalies/signatures/missions |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:55:00 -
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Theodore Giumbix wrote:Pics please Video currently uploading. Will update post in 1 hour. -¥ |
Dan-ielle
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:56:00 -
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Horrible idea.
Do not want. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:03:00 -
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Theodore Giumbix wrote:Pics please
I posted some on Page 4, but I'll repost them here too. I don't have mock-ups of all four ships, but I do have two of them. These are not exact models, as firstly the exact models don't currently exist and secondly they're rendered using a Borderlands 2 style cel shader created by the artist. Nevertheless, they're sufficient for hypothetical purposes.
Since the Nighthawk is technically a Kaalakiota Ferox, here we have the Kaalakota Drake:
http://i.imgur.com/hqeaQ.jpg
The Sleipnir is made by Boundless Creation. Since Boundless Creation is itself owned and operated by the Brutor Tribe, I present the Brutor Tribe Hurricane:
http://i.imgur.com/hiZTG.jpg
All Credit goes to Apricot Baby of the Caldari Prime Pony Club.
As of this post, 102 pilots in favor and 33 pilots against.
There may be a small margin of error, as some pilots' posts were so ambiguous that a yes/no could not be determined no matter how loosely you interpreted them. Those pilots are not being included in the count. |
Keldar Kor
Kor Logistics
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:08:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Nighthawk would use the Drake hull Ferox VS Drake hull, what a difficult, difficult choice. Nighthawk looks nice the way it is as a Ferox hull, the Drake is one of the ugliest hulls in EVE.
Instead of making the NH ugly, may I suggest making a Rokh Navy Issue, a solid brawler with some damage bonus instead of range? Caldari lack a Navy hybrid platfom and the one hybrid pirate BS there is requires Gallente/Minmatar BS. Meh.
IMHO. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:12:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Thumbs up.
We don't see Command ships that often and it would be better if they were more visually distinct.
Also the Cane hull fits the brutal way Sleipnirs get used in the Alliance Tournament.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:31:00 -
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Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
177
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:36:00 -
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Hypothetically, I am in favor of any plan that results in another Myrmidon-class hull.
I assume this would be done as part of the command-ship rebalance? Because at the moment, the Myrmidon has a significantly better offensive punch than the Eos, which is a bit odd... "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:36:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour.
To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor.
Marc Callan wrote:Hypothetically, I am in favor of any plan that results in another Myrmidon-class hull.
I assume this would be done as part of the command-ship rebalance? Because at the moment, the Myrmidon has a significantly better offensive punch than the Eos, which is a bit odd...
That would be a very good time to implement the switch, as it would give time for the art department to actually make the changes to the models, quite possibly even resulting in the finalized versions being used instead of a simple hull switch now and then an update later. |
Snus Mumriken
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:37:00 -
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I like the idea of seeing more different hulls for Tech2 ships. I'm on Twitter. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:01:00 -
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PavlikX wrote:Voting people must post what ships they use. Looks like absolution's pilots, like me, against this change
I'm using the abso/sleip/astarte/claymore primarily for pvp on various toons. And I'd love a Boundless Creations Sleipnir. (Ganked a soft mega a couple minutes ago, was thinking how much more awesome it would be to sit in a hurricanehull instead of the current sleipnir)
Edit: If the eos is to be a myrmhull, I'll quickly order a sixpack of those about now :D |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:05:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour. To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor.
That's just, like, your opinion, man. |
Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security Here Be Dragons
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:06:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
This sounds awesome! Do it! :D
Edit: Though don't even think about making the Sleipnir a missile ship. |
Radgette
New Eden Renegades
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:07:00 -
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please don't do this.
Especially when it comes to the Sleipnir and Claymore they iconic ships more so than the Cane imo.
The others i don't fly so am not so fussed about and tbh another Myrm hull would be pretty cool.
As you said though it would be all or nothing and so I have to say whole heartedly NO to this change |
To mare
Advanced Technology
196
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think? YES PLEASE and maybe with the CS tiericide make the the T2 version match the T1 bonus ? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
210
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:18:00 -
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Radgette wrote:please don't do this.
Especially when it comes to the Sleipnir and Claymore they iconic ships more so than the Cane imo.
The others i don't fly so am not so fussed about and tbh another Myrm hull would be pretty cool.
As you said though it would be all or nothing and so I have to say whole heartedly NO to this change
Since you're referencing the Claymore, I want to point out that it would remain the current black cyclone model. It will be getting messed-around-with anyway at some point though, when the art team has its unique T2 variation ready. |
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