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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.02 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/11/2005 00:14:40 All you have to do is launch a couple webbing drones and send them out to the enemy ship.
Please, CCP, make these slow and easy to shoot down, or webbers will be obselete as you will be able to web at any range up to max drone range (45km) - Proud member of the [23].
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HelterSkelter
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Posted - 2005.11.02 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: HelterSkelter on 02/11/2005 00:26:21 new skill Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing - Increases drone control range of all drones, is also needed to control EWAR drones.
new mod's Well they are not many and not that complex. So far there are three of them. One increases the damage output of all combat drones, one increases your drone control range and another boosts the optimal range and tracking on drones.
just nit picking. but 45km is just the starting point
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.02 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 02/11/2005 00:21:37 Or seriously reduce the amount they web. If you have to close, no matter how slow they are, you wILL have to enter their range, after all. And smaller ships have to close.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.02 00:30:00 -
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Never bothered to check, but is there stacking penalty on webbers? o.O
Because if there's one, then 5 heavy drones together result in ~82% web (if there isn't then it's like, 92% speed reduction with 5 heavy web drones)
not really sure if this is much of issue; if anything, might allow short range ships to try catch the enemy without the usual 'mwd on and rush with the signature the size of small moon' approach, *but* at the risk of the webbers being intercepted and destroyed, and spending longer time under fire while unable to shoot back...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.02 00:43:00 -
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2 heavies will do a 65% reduction j0, which will allow missiles, larger turrets and damage drones to rip a smaller ship apart in moments. Especially with the **** MWD sig bloom.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:01:00 -
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Aye, guess the big ships are getting some extra bit of defense here, but it's like... if they send these drones out early (past the 15 km or so) then it adds some difficulty to approach, but should be able to outrun/outmaneuver them with enough distance to avoid webbing. At close range, you're more than likely to get webbed, but then it's very little difference from being snared with regular web. One bit that obviously *is* different, the drone owner now has one free mid slot *but* they did give up on fitting some possible other type of drone in place of these webbers -- this might be not issue for these few ships with large drone bays, but for anyone else seems like quite fair trade-off... as long as i treat this 'new' drone bay as sort of 1-2 extra ship slots (be it high mid or lows depending what drones you pick to use)
Overall, dunno. Somewhat miffed personally about this development, sure, but not enough *yet* to wail... will wait until i can actually see these things on test, i guess ^^;;
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Darpz
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:23:00 -
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the main problem I see is shortrange ships will now stand no chance against a medium range ship if the engagement begins over 20Km. because aproaching a target with 3 large webing drones on you means your as good as dead when you get to your target, even if you web him with your drones.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:27:00 -
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Plus the webber can and will chase you, j0. Meh.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/11/2005 00:14:40 All you have to do is launch a couple webbing drones and send them out to the enemy ship.
Please, CCP, make these slow and easy to shoot down, or webbers will be obselete as you will be able to web at any range up to max drone range (45km)
I dunno about you, but off the top of my head these are the ships I use webbers on: Thorax, Deimos, Ishtar, Ishkur, Taranis, Enyo. Of these ships only the Ishtar has enough heavy drones to equal a named webber in effectiveness, and the point of putting a webber on the ship is so that the target won't run away from your drones in the first place! So unless I plan on killing something with three 9mm pistols or whatever the Ishtar's cpu/grid allow me to fit offensively in the highslots, I very much doubt I'll be out of the market for good webs any time soon.
Well. "Out of the market" is a bad term because most of the webs I use are looted, but thats beside the point...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:36:00 -
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20km range, remember, over and above where the drones are sitting.
And you don't NEED the same full effect as a shipborn webber to have a deverstating effect. You can combine the effect of a pair with a ship web, or just use them with damage drones to rip apart a frigate in moments.
The fine % differences of ship webs only matter at closer ranges. This is a very much reach-out and touch web, of a class formerly only found for 1 bil+ and using a BS's large hun fitting. FOR A REASON.
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Godpool
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:57:00 -
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Why can't people just start using smart bombs, such as all the tech II small and micro smart bombs?
The real stealth nerf issue here is this:
When every player fits smart bombs to go anti-drone, so many MORE missiles and rockets will get stopped that caldari and others will just melt away... |
Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Godpool Why can't people just start using smart bombs, such as all the tech II small and micro smart bombs?
The real stealth nerf issue here is this:
When every player fits smart bombs to go anti-drone, so many MORE missiles and rockets will get stopped that caldari and others will just melt away...
Maybe cause SBs cause lots of problems in fleets and in empire, and alliance mates get annoyed when you pop them with a Large bomb _______________________________________________
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:06:00 -
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Webbies aren't going to be useless
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:11:00 -
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ummm
not all ships have drones
drones themselves can be Webbed and Popped or countered with other drones
by using webber drones you sacrifice your damage output (drones) this is not the case with a webber module
most ships can't launch large or medium webber drones and still maintain a good output of drones -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled! |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:35:00 -
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Except "some"* (*a lot of commonly used BS) ships will. That's "some" too many. Drones should not be the one-size-fits-all soloution to tacklers.
When the drone you're trying to kill is tougher than you, and FIVE are picking on you, GL killing one before you die. Immediate warping should NOT be the only option avaliable to survive being within drone range of a BS.
Either the web idea needs to be toned down in range and power, OR drones need to get a signature resoloution and tracking appropriate for their role (i.e. Heavy drones = anti-BS) rather than all drones having 25m res and high tracking.
NOT *****ing about BS-BS drone usage. At all.
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MWEI
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:56:00 -
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I dont get why people would whine about how a single frigate / inty SHOULD be able to take on that Battleship.
Sure, we should have a paper-rock-scisors system, but that invovles battleship > cruisers > frigates, and MULTIPLE frigates working in a TEAM > a BS, not a single frigate > bs.
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.11.02 03:05:00 -
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You're right...
named webs are completely useless.
I'll just use 1 or 2 of those webby drones in my crow from now on.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.11.02 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Derron Bel by using webber drones you sacrifice your damage output (drones) this is not the case with a webber module
Eh? I don't fly Battleships, but if I did i'd take that extra tracking computer or cap recharger over the DPS of 3 heavy drones any day of the week. (unless its a Dominix ofc.)
Saying midslots don't contribute to ship damage output is a bit silly.
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