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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8128
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:01:00 -
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Callduron wrote:In the long run TEST (mostly people in their 20s) beats Goons (internet early adopters) because most of you lot will die of old age first.
Is this really what you think? Most goons are in their 20s and 30s. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:00:00 -
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The common wealth of EVE all depends on TEST. "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:15:00 -
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Callduron wrote:
In the long run TEST (mostly people in their 20s) beats Goons (internet early adopters) because most of you lot will die of old age first.
I will probably die of fatness before i get to old age. I need to go on the DBRB diet pronto. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:38:00 -
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Ivan Ward wrote:The common wealth of EVE all depends on TEST. Only people who want to have fun, laugh, goof off and enjoy a spaceship game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8128
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:51:00 -
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i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Lexia Stone
Soul Snatchers
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:17:00 -
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Andski wrote:i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance
You take this game of internet spaceships much too seriously. Contrary to popular belief, EVE is not real.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8129
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:32:00 -
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Lexia Stone wrote:Andski wrote:i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance You take this game of internet spaceships much too seriously. Contrary to popular belief, EVE is not real.
right, which is why i want to murder them mercilessly for fun Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Lexia Stone
Soul Snatchers
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lexia Stone wrote:Andski wrote:i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance You take this game of internet spaceships much too seriously. Contrary to popular belief, EVE is not real. right, which is why i want to murder them mercilessly for fun
In fairness, that just means you're a psychopath with very little going on outside of this imaginary world known as EVE Online.
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Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2013.06.05 01:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance
Where would PL poach cap pilots from then?
Roderick Grey wrote:Iszi wrote: My impression is that you old guards won't even take new players unless they play the game like you tell them to. Hell, most of the "elite PvP" corps won't even give a newbie with questions the time of day. That sucks!
Tell me more about your experience with elite pvp corps.
I think I summed it up in my original statement. While "elite" is the wrong term, I think a lot of people use it in place of "very good". The negative association comes from the vocal minority of players in those PvP corps that are smug, rude, trolling, or otherwise "mean" to those who aren't on their level.
Meh. Play eve however you want, but maybe us terrible players wouldn't be so loud in proclaiming how awesome we are if you "elite pvp'ers" weren't so loud in telling everyone how terrible we are.
TEST is a place to start for a lot of newbies who can't get accepted to any other corp due to low skillpoints/experience. And if the clueless newbie gets better and decides he hates TEST, he leaves, and joins PL or another corp with a more specialized role.
I'm with TEST because I can do pretty much whatever I want and if I decide that killboard stats and sov are more important then freedom in a sandbox game, I'll move on.
Also BoodaBooda is so :idgaf:, and Durrhurrdurr is an amazing FC. That is all. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8132
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Posted - 2013.06.05 04:57:00 -
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Lexia Stone wrote:In fairness, that just means you're a psychopath with very little going on outside of this imaginary world known as EVE Online.
wrong and unoriginal Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8132
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Posted - 2013.06.05 04:58:00 -
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unless Lexia Stone believes that everyone who destroys stuff in a video game about destroying stuff is a psychopath who takes said video game about destroying stuff too seriously? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2013.06.05 05:37:00 -
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Yeah Lexia Stone, that's a pretty stupid argument. Please get out of my thread. |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:01:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Ivan Ward wrote:The common wealth of EVE all depends on TEST. Only people who want to have fun, laugh, goof off and enjoy a spaceship game.
If you want to basically enjoy a good game, **** play EVE Online. "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Callduron
363
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:Callduron wrote:In the long run TEST (mostly people in their 20s) beats Goons (internet early adopters) because most of you lot will die of old age first. Is this really what you think? Most goons are in their 20s and 30s.
We're using the word differently.
I'm using the word as defined by SAclopedia. http://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php
You're using it to refer to the legion of J4Gs in your internet spaceships guild.
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Callduron
363
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:26:00 -
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Ivan Ward wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Ivan Ward wrote:The common wealth of EVE all depends on TEST. Only people who want to have fun, laugh, goof off and enjoy a spaceship game. If you want to basically enjoy a good game, **** play EVE Online.
Eve Online is a really good spaceships game. If that's not your experience you might need to find a better alliance. |
Callduron
363
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:28:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:Callduron wrote:
In the long run TEST (mostly people in their 20s) beats Goons (internet early adopters) because most of you lot will die of old age first.
I will probably die of fatness before i get to old age. I need to go on the DBRB diet pronto.
If SoK is to be believed then between the diet and the Admiral's outfit he's become something of a babe magnet. |
Callduron
363
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:36:00 -
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Iszi wrote:Andski wrote:i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance Where would PL poach cap pilots from then? Roderick Grey wrote:Iszi wrote: My impression is that you old guards won't even take new players unless they play the game like you tell them to. Hell, most of the "elite PvP" corps won't even give a newbie with questions the time of day. That sucks!
Tell me more about your experience with elite pvp corps. I think I summed it up in my original statement. While "elite" is the wrong term, I think a lot of people use it in place of "very good". The negative association comes from the vocal minority of players in those PvP corps that are smug, rude, trolling, or otherwise "mean" to those who aren't on their level. Meh. Play eve however you want, but maybe us terrible players wouldn't be so loud in proclaiming how awesome we are if you "elite pvp'ers" weren't so loud in telling everyone how terrible we are. TEST is a place to start for a lot of newbies who can't get accepted to any other corp due to low skillpoints/experience. And if the clueless newbie gets better and decides he hates TEST, he leaves, and joins PL or another corp with a more specialized role. I'm with TEST because I can do pretty much whatever I want and if I decide that killboard stats and sov are more important then freedom in a sandbox game, I'll move on. Also BoodaBooda is so :idgaf:, and Durrhurrdurr is an amazing FC. That is all.
I think the terminology isn't so much "elite" as "elitist". In my time at RvB I met some of the best subcap FCs and some of the best pilots I've ever encountered in the game. Yet anyone can join RvB and we've even had people who couldn't work a stargate. (One poor newbie asked in Local how to jump through and was told to line his ship up and pilot it through the hole in the middle - it took him half an hour of trying before someone took pity on him and explained you just right click the gate).
In TEST we have, we have had and we will always have an absolute flood of newbros. For some players newbros are really annoying. They jump through gates when you're wanting to keep your presence low profile, the flub tackles they should have been able to get, they all sit around doing nothing when they could be decloaking etc etc.
Some of us love newbros, finding their excitement and wonder keeps the game fresh. And it's very cool to see people progress.
There's also the metagame issue. If you have a high barrier to entry you can keep spies and awoxers out much better. A relatively open alliance like TEST will always have a vulnerability to this type of metagaming which puts us at a competitive disadvantage.
Historically open large alliances have done pretty well against tight elitist alliances, famously in the Goons v Bob stories from 5 years ago. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:53:00 -
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Callduron wrote:
Historically open large alliances have done pretty well against tight elitist alliances, famously in the Goons v Bob stories from 5 years ago.
Both sides ended up being made up of huge blob alliances what are you talking about. |
TrustThePilot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:06:00 -
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Charles Case knows a thing or two about huge blobs let me tell you vov |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
600
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:53:00 -
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Callduron wrote: Historically open large alliances have done pretty well against tight elitist alliances, famously in the Goons v Bob stories from 5 years ago.
I think the critical piece of the puzzle you're missing is PL has historically always dictated who GÇ£won" in these famous events and, if IGÇÖm not mistaken, theyGÇÖre elitist, recruited all your "good" pilots, and theyGÇÖve been shooting you?GǪ. . Twitter = @Snot_Shot-á --áCatch My Interview!-á-á VFV Episode 56 & Blogsperg GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"
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Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:39:00 -
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Hey PL i never thanked you for dictating the victory over BoB. Thanks guys.
if you guys ever need anything just dictate it.
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Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:52:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:Callduron wrote: Historically open large alliances have done pretty well against tight elitist alliances, famously in the Goons v Bob stories from 5 years ago.
I think the critical piece of the puzzle you're missing is PL has historically always dictated who GÇ£won" in these famous events and, if IGÇÖm not mistaken, theyGÇÖre elitist, recruited all your "good" pilots, and theyGÇÖve been shooting you?GǪ. .
http://www.mmo-stories.org/Stories/the_disbanding_of_band_of_brothers/ |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
600
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:09:00 -
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Iszi wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Callduron wrote: Historically open large alliances have done pretty well against tight elitist alliances, famously in the Goons v Bob stories from 5 years ago.
I think the critical piece of the puzzle you're missing is PL has historically always dictated who GÇ£won" in these famous events and, if IGÇÖm not mistaken, theyGÇÖre elitist, recruited all your "good" pilots, and theyGÇÖve been shooting you?GǪ. . http://www.mmo-stories.org/Stories/the_disbanding_of_band_of_brothers/ And PL lead the military campaign... . Twitter = @Snot_Shot-á --áCatch My Interview!-á-á VFV Episode 56 & Blogsperg GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8140
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:16:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:And PL lead the military campaign...
when are you going to be TEST's little cheerleader like you were for White Noise and -A- Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:17:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:And PL lead the military campaign... .
Would you like an IWIN button? TEST has hundreds of them. |
Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
346
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:27:00 -
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Callduron wrote:
I think the terminology isn't so much "elite" as "elitist". In my time at RvB I met some of the best subcap FCs and some of the best pilots I've ever encountered in the game. Yet anyone can join RvB and we've even had people who couldn't work a stargate. (One poor newbie asked in Local how to jump through and was told to line his ship up and pilot it through the hole in the middle - it took him half an hour of trying before someone took pity on him and explained you just right click the gate).
In TEST we have, we have had and we will always have an absolute flood of newbros. For some players newbros are really annoying. They jump through gates when you're wanting to keep your presence low profile, the flub tackles they should have been able to get, they all sit around doing nothing when they could be decloaking etc etc.
Some of us love newbros, finding their excitement and wonder keeps the game fresh. And it's very cool to see people progress.
There's also the metagame issue. If you have a high barrier to entry you can keep spies and awoxers out much better. A relatively open alliance like TEST will always have a vulnerability to this type of metagaming which puts us at a competitive disadvantage.
Historically open large alliances have done pretty well against tight elitist alliances, famously in the Goons v Bob stories from 5 years ago.
I hate to break it to you but most RvB fcs are alts of people who want to take a break from lo/null combat and just brawl noobs in cruisers.
Also you didn't actually answer the question (which I didn't ask you) what is your personal experience with elite pvp corps/alliances have you been in one? GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:i want to have fun by destroying your worthless alliance That sounds great. I live in NOL-M9 you're welcome to come down and try any time. |
Callduron
364
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:27:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote: Also you didn't actually answer the question (which I didn't ask you) what is your personal experience with elite pvp corps/alliances have you been in one?
Of course! I'm in TEST. Best alliance, don't cha know?
My first nullsec experience was with the Northern Coalition. Looking back on it I was pretty hopeless and it wasn't a corp that held anyone's hand. I didn't understand about staging systems and I didn't get jump bridges. No one really talked to anyone else. So when a fleet went out I'd jump in my Drake or Typhoon in Branch and slowboat 40 jumps to the fight. That corp probably was elite pvp but I certainly wasn't.
Then I joined INK in NPC Null. Really good fleets but oh my word, the logistics is a shock when you're not used to it. I'd trained up perfect Caldari and missile skills and here I was in an alliance that would fly stealth bombers one night, ahacs the next. I couldn't really cope, I never had the right ships and no one imported.
Then I tried WI. They were pretty good except they had a quota of 6 kills a month and I got very busy IRL. A couple of bum fleets with no kills, it was about the 25th I hadn't met my quota yet and was stressing. Screw it, I went back to wormholes.
Then after listening to the Lost In Eve podcast I joined Li3 and had a lot of fun early on. Eventually :space politics: so I got told to GTFO and ended up back in high sec where I joined RvB.
A couple of months later I hooked up with SEDNA, an ex-Li3 corp which was then in Test Friends, now in Test.
I think the closest I've come to elite pvp is DingoGS's fleets. Dingo is a really really fine FC, probably one of the best in Eve. He's also perpetually sunny. I hope he sticks with us. |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
600
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:Snot Shot wrote:And PL lead the military campaign... when are you going to be TEST's little cheerleader like you were for White Noise and -A- Seems like they got that covered all by themselvesGǪ. . Twitter = @Snot_Shot-á --áCatch My Interview!-á-á VFV Episode 56 & Blogsperg GÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"
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Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:14:00 -
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Fountain it is then |
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