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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1504
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:06:00 -
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To be honest, I love the new animation, and I the new "system scanner" UI and animation is amazing. And I will use it fairly frequently.
My gripe is that it forces me to use it each time I enter a system. Which means when I spot a hidden ore belt in system, I know that I didn't actually spot it, it was just shown to me just like it was shown to every other player that passed through that system. I didn't discover it, I put in no effort. And I know then that if I were to mine that belt that everyone is aware that it is there.
It's just not rewarding if it's just shoved in your face, and it takes away from the people who actively go out looking for stuff. The stuff that shows up now isn't "exploration" if you don't have to look for it. If you want them to be able to scan as soon as they enter the system then they can, by having the scan on permanently (love the fact you can do that), but don't have it running without us doing anything. That's just.... well... daft. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Venkhar Krard
Tuczniki Alfa
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:26:00 -
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I have 2 toons, one PVP'er and one Trader/Producer. Its useless and annoying for both of them. Cool, flashy effects are ideal for something that is special and happens from time to time, not something you do every day, 40 times a day.
Please let me turn it off (scan and jump effects). The udock camera is also crap in pvp situations. |
Kalpel
KBM
42
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:14:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:I want to turn the sun off...that never happened.
Hope you have better luck.
Noooooooo, we can't turn the sun off, are you crazy? we'll all die ........ but this scanner thing can go! lol
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
486
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:14:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Our current plan is to leave it as-is for a few weeks and then see if it's still bothering people. It's very hard in advance to separate the things that will annoy people for a week and then stop being an issue from the things that will persist in annoying people forever. If you look at the initial feedback for the new font, for example, there was a near-riot when it was deployed - but if you go back and look at the old font now it's horrible.
Don't get rid of it, just give us an on/off switch
The scanner and new probe interface is extremely helpful for exploration, but if you aren't doing exploration is extremely useless to have on all the time.
ON/OFF SWITCH!!
Something like :Open the scanner and have a button for the "discovery scanner", if it's ON then it functions as it does now. If it's off, then you dont see the scanner sweep or the stuff it finds. http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
The best advice I can give any Eve player, new or old, is to never ever ever read the general discussion subforum. It is a cancer on this game and should just be deleted. |
Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:58:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Well I have not even finished to download the patch and already hate it. - Like some said, the first time a lot of things look neat, but even at the presentation I thought, "hmm, I am doing a lot of fast paced distribution missions to get faction missions and standings and that is like 12 missions and 140 jumps the hour ... some jumps just 5 seconds apart and every time this damn scan"
The same goes for the jump tunnel effect, I will really enjoy and love it on 1 jumps to missions, into fights, exploring and so forth, but during trade actions, distribution missions etc... its just a hell of annoying.
An option needs to be there, even if it is 'hit "space" to abort/interrupt' if you don't want it to be able to take it out completely.
Flashy crap no-one needs and is just annoying over time is what killed a lot of games - functionality first, effects an option. hardcore players will always choose speed and efficiency over graphic effects - and those are the ones populating the world and make it go round.
First thing on many games is setting graphics and res to max high and disable all effects, I hate a cluttered screen.
And I thank the design goods for the transparency option ++++++++++
This, very much this. Having things like the scan animation and the new gate animation repeat every single time I change a system is very annoying, especially if I'm on a long journey, doing nothing but jumping between systems. There needs to be an option to turn these features off.
Arduemont wrote:To be honest, I love the new animation, and the new "system scanner" UI and animation is amazing. And I will use it fairly frequently.
My gripe is that it forces me to use it each time I enter a system. Which means when I spot a hidden ore belt in system, I know that I didn't actually spot it, it was just shown to me just like it was shown to every other player that passed through that system. I didn't discover it, I put in no effort. And I know then that if I were to mine that belt that everyone is aware that it is there.
It's just not rewarding if it's just shoved in your face, and it takes away from the people who actively go out looking for stuff. The stuff that shows up now isn't "exploration" if you don't have to look for it. If you want them to be able to scan as soon as they enter the system then they can, by having the scan on permanently (love the fact you can do that), but don't have it running without us doing anything. That's just.... well... daft.
Another very good point. This is handing out information to everyone which at the very least should requrie the minimal effort of manually initiating a scan. Give us back the option of manually doing a system scan without a probe (the old d-scan), and stop the autoscanning! |
Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:03:00 -
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Respen Seriavo wrote:Every... Single.... Jump.... I know you are proud of your new feature but is it really necessary to make my screen flash every 20 seconds during a long trip? I've only been back in game about an hour and a half and I cringe every time I see this animation. I'll give you that I thought "this is neat" to myself as I left a station for the first time ans saw it. But seriously, it sucks.... I'd much prefer to see it when called upon.
Please give me a way to turn it off or better yet, make it go away unless I decide to do a manual scan. Thanks! Why don't we just roll back every feature implemented in odyssey. It seems the only way to prevent this barrage of ridiculous posts incoming. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4226
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:04:00 -
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Change is hard, drama is easy. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14889
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:06:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Our current plan is to leave it as-is for a few weeks and then see if it's still bothering people. It's very hard in advance to separate the things that will annoy people for a week and then stop being an issue from the things that will persist in annoying people forever. If you look at the initial feedback for the new font, for example, there was a near-riot when it was deployed - but if you go back and look at the old font now it's horrible. Because options from the start, are bad?
Do you ever learn?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
373
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:16:00 -
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I understand peoples complaint.
EVE's UI is already very 'busy' and cluttered. I see theyre trying to make use of radial menus to dissipate that some but eve is still short on the real estate market you have windows over windows that you ahve to minimise and open just to fit everything on when you need it.
Now you have these scanning things popping up all the time too when you might not necessarily want them to. I just think when you turn it off it should stay off not start back up when it wants to or after a gate jump. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1730
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:21:00 -
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It's a neat edition, but the scan seems to be causing a good bit of motion sickness in people, which sucks. Medical conditions don't just go away, but CCP shouldn't have to jump in ASAP and fix things right at the start of post-deployment. A week wait is probably a good idea and, if the medical complaints persist, then decide how to proceed.
For instance, maybe add a transparency option to the scan overlay, or simply be able to change the scan to a single line or just...nothing before reticle points show up. The other issue though is the gate animation..which might be harder to change.
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Rainbow D'tara
Left Ahead Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:25:00 -
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Forgive me if I am wrong. I was under the impression it already had an on/off menu. The top option in the scanning radial menu should toggle it. I'm at work so I cannot confirm. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1730
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:29:00 -
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Rainbow D'tara wrote:Forgive me if I am wrong. I was under the impression it already had an on/off menu. The top option in the scanning radial menu should toggle it. I'm at work so I cannot confirm.
It does but it shuts the reticles off. The reticles aren't the issue, but the circular scan action to reveal them that's causing some unpleasant vertigo like symptoms.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4227
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:42:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rainbow D'tara wrote:Forgive me if I am wrong. I was under the impression it already had an on/off menu. The top option in the scanning radial menu should toggle it. I'm at work so I cannot confirm. It does but it shuts the reticles off. The reticles aren't the issue, but the circular scan action to reveal them that's causing some unpleasant vertigo like symptoms. If the option is set to "Off" the scan sweep only occurs on undock/jumping once, it does not reoccur until you undock/jump again.
If it is set to "On" it will do a sweep that will pass through your visual range a few times a minute. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
44
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:47:00 -
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Emu Meo wrote:Respen Seriavo wrote:Every... Single.... Jump.... I know you are proud of your new feature but is it really necessary to make my screen flash every 20 seconds during a long trip? I've only been back in game about an hour and a half and I cringe every time I see this animation. I'll give you that I thought "this is neat" to myself as I left a station for the first time ans saw it. But seriously, it sucks.... I'd much prefer to see it when called upon.
Please give me a way to turn it off or better yet, make it go away unless I decide to do a manual scan. Thanks! Why don't we just roll back every feature implemented in odyssey. It seems the only way to prevent this barrage of ridiculous posts incoming. If you amend to this to say "roll back all graphical changes other than ship skins" it gets my vote. |
Rainbow D'tara
Left Ahead Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:48:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Rainbow D'tara wrote:Forgive me if I am wrong. I was under the impression it already had an on/off menu. The top option in the scanning radial menu should toggle it. I'm at work so I cannot confirm. It does but it shuts the reticles off. The reticles aren't the issue, but the circular scan action to reveal them that's causing some unpleasant vertigo like symptoms.
Then I completely agree. I don't think they should completely remove it though. It could be toggle-able along with the reticles. The entire function could turn on and off to scan the system. If people that experience vertigo while seeing it do so because they are rotating around their ships while in combat, having it toggle would fix the issue. From experience, while scanning systems I am almost always stationary. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
642
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:51:00 -
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Djana Libra wrote:I thought we could just turn it off
CCP knows what's best for the game, you poor ignorant customers need to get used to that.
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Dark808bb
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:54:00 -
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i cant believe you wussies are complaning about vertigo an crap. nobody has any sickness from this. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2094
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:56:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Our current plan is to leave it as-is for a few weeks and then see if it's still bothering people. It's very hard in advance to separate the things that will annoy people for a week and then stop being an issue from the things that will persist in annoying people forever. If you look at the initial feedback for the new font, for example, there was a near-riot when it was deployed - but if you go back and look at the old font now it's horrible.
The loot spew mechanic for data/relic sites is annoying me now.
I'll be sure to post back in a few weeks to let you know it still annoys me.
It is not hard to separate this one in advance. You've been simplifying interfaces for months now to reduce needless clicking - and somehow this one is an improvement in gameplay?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
925
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Do as I did ithe new awesome FLUFF that does crap, stay on F10 most of the time when you are not doing something critical.
Though the scanner is not too annoying for me, the new jump effect is (gets tiresome after the 10th jump to me).
F10 that crap to death. CCP being CCP.
Choices man, choices, never been against change, but choices give you flexibility, even if the choice is to blank out the new FLUFF. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
1079
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Respen Seriavo wrote: This was very insightful, constructive and original, I thank you for your contribution.
The inability to recognize sarcasm, a trait found in almost all E-UNI members, recruits, and graduates =P One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
44
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:59:00 -
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Dark808bb wrote:i cant believe you wussies are complaning about vertigo an crap. nobody has any sickness from this. You're exactly right. A good chunk of the Eve community suddenly turned into hypochondriacs overnight. Thank you Dr. Dark, for your astute observation. Now, if you would be so kind, the rafter and rope are in room seven. |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
361
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:05:00 -
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OK - now i know for certain 50% of you are a bunch of moany wussies.
Thanks for that. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
339
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:08:00 -
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I haven't logged in yet since patch day, looks like I will stress this for a while otherwise my tears will be harvested by CCP's UX team. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
Veng3ance
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:15:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Our current plan is to leave it as-is for a few weeks and then see if it's still bothering people. It's very hard in advance to separate the things that will annoy people for a week and then stop being an issue from the things that will persist in annoying people forever. If you look at the initial feedback for the new font, for example, there was a near-riot when it was deployed - but if you go back and look at the old font now it's horrible.
TBH man just fix it now. Its not going to become LESS annoying over time. Especially for people who don't give a crap about seeing signatures in space. For example now when I undock to fight some nerds I have watch dozens of red dots show up all over the screen. It's a confusing mess.
Just make a button to turn it off ffs.
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Veng3ance
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:25:00 -
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Wait nevermind, realized I could turn off the overlay after I posted. This argument is just about the scan animation?.... **** it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4228
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:33:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Dark808bb wrote:i cant believe you wussies are complaning about vertigo an crap. nobody has any sickness from this. You're exactly right. A good chunk of the Eve community suddenly turned into hypochondriacs overnight. Thank you Dr. Dark, for your astute observation. Now, if you would be so kind, the rafter and rope are in room seven. Overnight? Well yes, overnight about 10 years ago.... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4228
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:36:00 -
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Veng3ance wrote:Wait nevermind, realized I could turn off the overlay after I posted. This argument is just about the scan animation?.... **** it. Thus you see the reason for letting it ride for a couple of weeks.
That gives the people using it time to figure out how it actually works (including those that haven't actually looked twice at it yet), or alternatively to get used to it (which most people will). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
538
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:45:00 -
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If the camera rotation before gate warp is unsettling people's stomachs, I'm guessing CCP could solve that by having ships always warp to the side of the gate that they're going to jump through.
That would have some interesting gameplay side effects, particularly re: bubbling gates, but that might not be a bad thing. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Respen Seriavo
EVE University Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:51:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:Respen Seriavo wrote: This was very insightful, constructive and original, I thank you for your contribution.
The inability to recognize sarcasm, a trait found in almost all E-UNI members, recruits, and graduates =P
If you'll take a look at the poster's original comment, I think it's very clear that his intent was not in any way, shape, or form sarcasm. Actually, I am having trouble seeing how you inferred sarcasm yourself. Or were you just looking for a reason to insult the Uni? If so, carry on. |
Respen Seriavo
EVE University Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:59:00 -
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Dark808bb wrote:i cant believe you wussies are complaning about vertigo an crap. nobody has any sickness from this.
I'm not sick from it, I'm just annoyed by it. There are several valid reasons other than any motion sickness people are experiencing.
For me it's about a feature being shoved down my throat. I am not setting out to do exploration every single time I leave a station, nor am I setting out to do exploration every single time I jump. It's just the logical step that CCP should have taken in the first place. If you want to do exploration, you should have to hit an exploration button. If not... do nothing. It just makes a lot more sense than the current system. |
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