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Zaryte
N-Lightning
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:02:00 -
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I'm really unhappy.. Last night before I went to bed, I had less than 24 hours left to fly the Providence freighter. I woke up this morning and got on EVE and noticed I got the 50,000 skill point compensation from CCP. So obviously, I spent it on the final portion of Amarr industrial 5 and was then going to put the remaining points into the Freighter level 1 skill so I could fly the Providence straight away.
Then, to my UTTER despair.. I see the new skill required. Advanced Spaceship command 5. This has added an additional 24 days to my training time for the Freighter and I can't help but feel like i've been cheated out of my time. My other accounts are the same distance away from the very same ship and I haven't put any time into that ship on those accounts at all. The last month of training has all been wasted.. I find myself unable to fly the ships I previously could and on top of that, the one thing I had been working towards for the last month was taken away from me just hours before getting the skills required.
All that being said, the update is good and I can see alot of work has been put into it. But I just can't get over this feeling of being cheated out of my training time. This isn't fair and i'm really unhappy that i'm one of the unfortunate ones to lose out on skill points. I know there are lots of people out there who worked around this update and basically got literally millions of FREE skill points just because they trained certain skills in certain orders. This is an unfair advantage.
To summarise:
Started training for a freighter 1 month ago. less than 24 hours to go until all skills completed. Odyssey is released. 24 days left for freighter all over again.
And note, that's not an additional 24 days on top of the skills i've trained. That's 24 days of different skills altogether, so the previous month of skills were mostly for nothing.
Is this really just meant to be "accepted"? |
Kangaax
BlueWaffe
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:04:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234
Note this was posted on febuary. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:05:00 -
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I wonder how man threads there will be today of people admitting they can't do planning of any sort, even when told multiple times over the past year it was coming.
In other news, I think it would be really cool if we could put smilies in thread titles. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:06:00 -
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CCP did a great job in communicating all the skill changes coming in Odyssey. Seriously.
Reading dev blogs is always a good idea. -á |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:07:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:
And note, that's not an additional 24 days on top of the skills i've trained. That's 24 days of different skills altogether, so the previous month of skills were mostly for nothing.
Is this really just meant to be "accepted"?
Well, why not? It's not like these changes are some kind of surprise. They're extremely old news. You waited to the last minute, didn't get the skill injected in time, and got burned.
It was entirely within your power to avoid this, so why shouldn't you have to accept it? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:08:00 -
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On the bright side, you no longer need a racial industrial 5. Sadly, you never read the devblog Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:08:00 -
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Today is the day that the 99% of the players who do not read the forums and dev blogs because "Well, why bother" come to regret that decision. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:09:00 -
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this thread is the reason we need negrep Baddest poster ever |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
525
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:09:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Then, to my UTTER despair.. I see the new skill required. Advanced Spaceship command 5.
CCP has been pulling out all the stops to let people know about that and other prerequisite changes for months now.
Zaryte wrote:The last month of training has all been wasted.. I find myself unable to fly the ships I previously could
You have the relevant industrial skill at 5. That has its own uses.
What can't you fly now that you could before? Hint: Don't look at the Prerequisites tab in Show Info, just try climbing into the ship.
There was no way for CCP to make these changes that would not be painful, which is why they gave so much notice that they were making the changes. They first started talking about it late last summer. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:13:00 -
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Quote:I know there are lots of people out there who worked around this update and basically got literally millions of FREE skill points just because they trained certain skills in certain orders. This is an unfair advantage.
Also, almost everything about this is wrong. |
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Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:23:00 -
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Just wondering what is better "Iteron" or "Iteron V" since it takes the same time to train for both. I wonder how they gonna rework all industrial ships =/ Blog |-áTutorials | Youtube "I donGÇÖt know everything, I just know what I know." |
Kangaax
BlueWaffe
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:23:00 -
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Zaryte wrote: For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
You are expected to keep news on what is happening to the game you're playing. If you are 5 months old the dev blog came out one month after you started playing. Take that as a warning that if you run around looking at clouds, you can fall in manholes. |
Haulie Berry
881
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:25:00 -
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Zaryte wrote: I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
My major takeaway from this is that, 2 weeks ago, when you learned what Odyssey is, you could have stopped your current training plan and began training the new requirements, and only be ~10 days away from a freighter, now. |
Zak Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:26:00 -
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Invictra Atreides wrote:Just wondering what is better "Iteron" or "Iteron V" since it takes the same time to train for both. I wonder how they gonna rework all industrial ships =/
Depends on what you haul and where you haul. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1985
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:27:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:I wonder how man threads there will be today of people admitting they can't do planning of any sort, even when told multiple times over the past year it was coming, with pictures no less.
In other news, I think it would be really cool if we could put smilies in thread titles.
But they weren't told, ie CCP didn't come to their house, sit down with their moms and have tea before heading down into the basement (after donning gas mask) to personally alert each and every Eve player of the coming change.
How dare any of you expect people to seek out information about a game they play and pay for. For shame you people, SHAME. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:30:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:
Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:
For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
If you dont go looking at the BIG notices on the screen, or keep up to date on stuff, you will constantly be surprised I guess
Saying you should not be expected to know what happens in a game is a valid point, but then, you should not be surprised when things happen that you did not expect to know
If you are 5 months old, and yet you knew what a freighter was, and had the 1.5bn needed to buy it, and had a use for 800k m3 of cargo on a regular enough basis to make the expense worth it, I am sure that involved using the internet somehow.
Maybe your biggest problem is that none of your corpmates read devblogs either |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:38:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Is this really just meant to be "accepted"? Yes.
The amount of heads-up given on this change was nothing short of monumental. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:51:00 -
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Yep, I agree with every single person who replied. The new skill tree was published long long ago. Sorry you had your head in the sand for the last several months. File a petition, see if CCP will exchange your skill points, my guess is they will not.
On an unrelated note: I like the new tree A LOT! Now instead of wasting time training to fly a ship you don't plan to fly, you train skills to help you fly the desired ship better. At least for the most part that is what happened. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:52:00 -
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Zaryte wrote: -
Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:
For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
That changes everything...
Wait, no it doesn't, CCP and posters in multiple forums have been talking about this for a year. Last I looked (being American and I'm bad at Math), 5 months is less than a year. If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into.
If you are smart you will understand that this is a lesson Learned, if you are...other than smart....you will continue to complain despite the fact that it was your responsibility to keep informed. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:52:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Yep, I agree with every single person who replied. The new skill tree was published long long ago. Sorry you had your head in the sand for the last several months. File a petition, see if CCP will exchange your skill points, my guess is they will not.
On an unrelated note: I like the new tree A LOT! Now instead of wasting time training to fly a ship you don't plan to fly, you train skills to help you fly the desired ship better. At least for the most part that is what happened.
Long overdue change if you ask me. |
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destiny2
Abh Empire Ex Cinere Scriptor
125
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:59:00 -
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when ccp posted what their changeing in the patch you should of read it. its your own fault for not takeing the time to read the blogs. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:04:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into..
All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there.
I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:07:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide] I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.
Yes. CCP CEO should have phoned you on your mobile and asked if it was OK with you.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1988
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:08:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Zaryte]
If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into.. All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there. I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.
LOL I got this vision of you shouting at your computer "WHY WASN"T I INFORMED!" after the patch.
Sorry, In EVE (unlike many video games which hold your hand) YOU have a certain responsibility to yourself and your enjoyment of the game. You cannot expect people to do it for you. The information was available in easily accessible format in multiple places, but again you admitting that you didn't even know about this expansion till two weeks ago demonstrates that you haven't taken that responsibility.
In EVE as IRL, being irresponsible comes at a steep price. You Price is 24 days.... |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: LOL I got this vision of you shouting at your computer "WHY WASN"T I INFORMED!" after the patch.
lol.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Eixo do Mal
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:13:00 -
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Lesson learnt? You'll have future. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:15:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there. Who said anything about GÇ£every EVE forum out thereGÇ¥?
So after you having missed out on crucial information because you didn't pay attention to the official EVE forums, and a page of people telling you that if you had paid attention to the official EVE forums, your conclusion is that your attention doesn't belong on the forums? Let's see if you can spot the error in your reasoning hereGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:16:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote: Yes. CCP CEO should have phoned you on your mobile and asked if it was OK with you.
Actually an in-game mail about this would've been sufficient.
The phone call would've been satisfactory too though I guess. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9872
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:21:00 -
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Willful ignorance isn't an excuse for special treatment
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Kalunda Sanford
Pemberley Enterprises BadWrongFun
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:29:00 -
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I can't fault CCP for being open about the planned change, but it's a stupid change (no matter how necessary in the master plan). The only way to make it not stupid would have been to reach out to al toons training the relevant skills with alerts. It could have been done via EVEmail, and that it wasn't unfortunately dooms players who don't read blogs and forums.
While EVE breeds pretend-hard players who love to tell newer players tough luck, "it was announced outside of the game" is a big, fat fail. Three extra hours of training would not have been a big deal, but a game itself that doesn't warn the player is insufficiently advanced. Twenty-four days is a hell of penalty to inflict on a five-month-old toon/player who didn't see it coming.
Save your HTFUs. CCP has also made it abundantly clear that it wants to work harder to keep new players interested. Here's an example of how not to do that. |
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