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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:22:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Zaryte wrote:Yes I could have avoided this. correct, so you have no right to complain. please excuse me while i try and figure out which of my 4 racial freighters i'd like to fly today. Ok, this thread is now about a freighter race.... Rules: We have to swap freighters every 5 jumps. No ice mining barges allowed Mr Stark, and an Orca is not a freighter
please, charon all the way.
caldari freighter, best freighter. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
15
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: I was only trying to say that some of us would rather be helpful than obstructive.
And no Im not calling you obstructive either
Thanks for clearing that up
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Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
22
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:29:00 -
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The game loader had multiple bulletins over the last few months about the patch. Links to dev blogs, they eve used graphics to make it hard to miss. I for one am glad that CCP doesn't spam the in-game mail every time they have something to say.
At the end of the day, your Industrial skill is not a waste. There are a lot of things that industrial to 5 is good for.
I do not understand what you want from this thread. Are you looking for someone on the forum to pat your back and agree with you? We can't give you skill points. The only thing you can do is file a petition. Complaining will accomplish nothing but making you look foolish. |
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:41:00 -
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I trained 3 freighter pilots when I heard about the changes 4 months ago. You screw up man it happens. |
Call Rollard
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
58
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:49:00 -
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The Battlecruiser and Destroyer skill changes were announced last December, and the major changes were all added up in February.
It's been shown in the character screen login news area and on the dev blogs. And especially people were talking about it ingame
CCP won't give you SP back because you should have paid a little more attention to whats going on in EVE. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4225
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:58:00 -
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Instead of pointing out how oblivious you have been for the last 5 months, I'll instead point out that you'll save far more than 24 days in your future training for other ships due to these changes. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Sanadras Riahn
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:05:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
Then, SURPRISE! You're still at fault for not being more informed on game changes. They made a HUGE deal about everything Odyssey related, up to and including ship skill changes. It's been all over news sites, even Reddit's had an announcement to train Destroyers, Battlecruisers, and Command Ships since the blog release last year.
In your particular circumstance, yes. You're expected to just accept it. Because everyone else was well informed in advance to the change. Ignorance is your own fault in this case. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:19:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:Wow, it's been a while since i last had the pleasure of replying to an intelligent, constructive post. Thank you sir.
I pretty much agree with most of what you've said. I do know this could have all been avoided if I had just put more effort into researching more about the game I play. I just don't think 100% of the blame is on my shoulders, and I don't think I ever will. It is pretty obvious from your replies that you have a bad attitude. You won't get very far in Eve acting like this. You need to stop trying to blame people for literally nothing. You have Industrial Ship V which is a good skill, and you have learnt a valuable source of information to look at in future, namely, "devblogs". You should be thanking CCP and fellow pilots for pointing this all out to you instead of trying to blame everyone. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:55:00 -
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So, since you cant deny you weren't here and missed it: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for
And on a side note (having a bad headache, but this thread really soothes my pain, since yours must be so much worse), it is strange, even though some try to run to your aid (in theory, not even being compassionate in your misery), that I see no one else complaining they missed it, not 10 year accounts, not 2 week trials, because they did not or realized they would be the laughing stock of the community by exhibiting their ignorance.
Yet you persist - kind of says all about your intellect and awareness!
And the ones complaining about not being able to fly ships, actually have valid points beyond being ignorant, because they mostly forgot to upgrade their clones and miss points after being podded. And they thank the first replier for pointing it out and admit the missed opportunity and move on, those got like 4 posts total in a thread and are sunk in the void of done conversations.
Yet yours persist - because and not only goons life of the tears of misery
Thank you again for the entertainment. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9910
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:02:00 -
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Contract up, Zaryte. I hope they help you learn.
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Zaryte
N-Lightning
16
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:09:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:So, since you cant deny you weren't here and missed it: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-forAnd on a side note (having a bad headache, but this thread really soothes my pain, since yours must be so much worse), it is strange, even though some try to run to your aid (in theory, not even being compassionate in your misery), that I see no one else complaining they missed it, not 10 year accounts, not 2 week trials, because they did not or realized they would be the laughing stock of the community by exhibiting their ignorance. Yet you persist - kind of says all about your intellect and awareness! And the ones complaining about not being able to fly ships, actually have valid points beyond being ignorant, because they mostly forgot to upgrade their clones and miss points after being podded. And they thank the first replier for pointing it out and admit the missed opportunity and move on, those got like 4 posts total in a thread and are sunk in the void of done conversations. Yet yours persist - because and not only goons life of the tears of misery Thank you again for the entertainment.
At this point i'm no longer defending my argument. I'm just defending myself from the constant barrage of personal insults. You're getting to the point where you're just displaying that you enjoy laughing at those of us who were unfortunate enough to miss the information, whether it's our fault or not. You and many others instead need to take a look at yourself and ask "am I any longer a valued member of the EVE community?" The answer is no, it's people like you that make others not come to the forums.
I take all constructive criticism and accept responsibility where i'm wrong. I've conceded to several points made in this thread. But now this is just getting far too personal and I have no respect for those that can only offer "haha, you idiot". That kind of input says more about your own attitude than mine. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
16
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:11:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Contract up, Zaryte. I hope they help you learn.
Thanks
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Djorin Kanen
CASH Bonus Checks
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:26:00 -
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I really have to agree with the planning ahead bit. I just started a 21 day trial and will probably sub up once it's finished as well but the gaming community I belong to has been talking about this space for well over a month now and I feel as informed as I could have been if I had researched these forums.
You should have asked questions two weeks ago when you found out about the space in the first place.
Not trying to be an ******* here, just my two cents. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:37:00 -
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First of all, I came here to help out and clear up misunderstandings, glitches, patch uncertainties, but then I realized that a monkey show was being set up and even though its not my kind of thing, once in a while even I might stop and have a look, and if a monkey starts to throw bananas at spectators I am not disinclined to throw it back for the monkeys entertainment.
And regarding calling people idiots, not really the fine art of course, but it rarely happens without reason or provocation. And an idiot rarely knows or realizes he/she is being an idiot, since all their meek reasoning makes perfect sense to them.
In usual cases, calling somebody an idiot signals the end of an argument, since the accuser has said all he is prepared to say, is done continuing and usually leaves. the accused usually takes the insult, rages a bit and leaves it at that, also going his way. Mostly only the true idiot, to whom it was not meant as an insult (only maybe), does try to argue and point out, why he is not an idiot. So it does actually say not so much about the one calling someone and idiot, then about the other and how he responds.
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Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
41
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:38:00 -
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Zaryte wrote: Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:
For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
Flying a freighter without Advanced Spaceship command to 5 is painful and in my opinion it should have been a requirement from the get go. Personally I wouldn't consider getting in one without perfect navigation skills that are relevant to freighters either. You've not really lost anything in my opinion - you've gained a reason to train a critical skill that is relevant to the ship you want to fly. I don't think that it's negative for people to point that out and it isn't a punishment by CCP; it's necessary. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2032
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:44:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: once in a while even I might stop and have a look, and if a monkey starts to throw bananas at spectators I am not disinclined to throw it back for the monkeys entertainment.
That flying brown stuff wasn't bananas....although it might have been that at one time.....
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Lyra Greatboy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:46:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:At this point i'm no longer defending my argument. I'm just defending myself from the constant barrage of personal insults. You're getting to the point where you're just displaying that you enjoy laughing at those of us who were unfortunate enough to miss the information... I count at least one post in the thread that was helpful to you. That the rest are just endless variations on "read the forum n00b" doesn't make this a bad thread, all things considered. No, it wasn't all your fault, and now you know to spend time here if you want to avoid further unpleasant surprises.
Don't let the posturing get you down. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
16
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:52:00 -
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Lyra Greatboy wrote:Zaryte wrote:At this point i'm no longer defending my argument. I'm just defending myself from the constant barrage of personal insults. You're getting to the point where you're just displaying that you enjoy laughing at those of us who were unfortunate enough to miss the information... I count at least one post in the thread that was helpful to you. That the rest are just endless variations on "read the forum n00b" doesn't make this a bad thread, all things considered. No, it wasn't all your fault, and now you know to spend time here if you want to avoid further unpleasant surprises. Don't let the posturing get you down.
Agreed, Thanks.
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
172
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:36:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:My fellow players? Give me a break. If i've learnt anything from my forum experience over the past two days it's that "my fellow pilots" are my enemies and they certainty aren't on my side. Example: Sable Moran wrote: Today I got to strike two thing from my list of 'Things to do in EvE'.
1. Place a corp bounty (100M) 2. Place a personal bounty (100K)
Thank you for the assistance OP.
Now that hurts. You helped me to achieve something new in Eve and while I don't consider you a friend then at least a helpful fellow pod pilot. And this is what I get. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Manny Moons
New Order Logistics CODE.
121
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:52:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Dave Stark wrote:correct, so you have no right to complain.
please excuse me while i try and figure out which of my 4 racial freighters i'd like to fly today. Ok, this thread is now about a freighter race.... Rules: We have to swap freighters every 5 jumps. No ice mining barges allowed Mr Stark, and an Orca is not a freighter
Everybody knows the Fenrir is the fastest and most efficient and best freighter of all.
As long as you don't count the time it takes to go back and get the other half of the load.
And as long as you don't have to replace it and your cargo too often.
And as long as you aren't bothered by rust stains on your cargo.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
925
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:11:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:I wonder how man threads there will be today of people admitting they can't do planning of any sort, even when told multiple times over the past year it was coming, with pictures no less.
In other news, I think it would be really cool if we could put smilies in thread titles.
"Wizard-¦s First Law" , nothing else can describe it better, also let-¦s get honest. NO ONE reads these forums except new people wondering to ask something and they usually leave never to return, semi Haley Comet people and the usuals.
Lifetime of most usuals is between 1 year to 4 years, then you get the regulars.
We are a tiny population.
Fact is , CCP could post all over the place they would be closing the shard in a week and people in a week would be wondering why they can-¦t log in and the login screen gives a 404.
If CCP really wants to share a message with everyone and make sure everyone reads it they should make it POP up like the Downtime window, and then some people would just see a window pop and close it right away ...
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
339
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:21:00 -
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I love Eve's learning curves. If it wasn't the freighter skill a can flip or a plex scam in jita would have done the job. HTFU. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2035
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:31:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:[quote=Zifrian] If CCP really wants to share a message with everyone and make sure everyone reads it they should make it POP up like the Downtime window, and then some people would just see a window pop and close it right away ...
People are just like that.
Back in college I worked part time as a security guard at a hospital in a fairly rural area. The Emergency Room (ER) had 2 entrances from the parking lot/circular drive. One entrance had a person sized door and had the words "ENTRANCE" on on the glass, each letter being almost 2 inches high. The other , bigger door said "AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY" (for ambulance crews and firefighters and such) in even bigger letters.
Under that it had an arrow pointing to the right saying "all others use entrance door" or something. Below that the same instruction was re-printed in Spanish. The ambulance crew doors need a code to get in, the regular entrance door opened via motion sensor, you just walk up to it and it opens.
The ER was the only way to get into the rest of the hospital after 9pm when the front doors were closed and locked. Time and time and time and time again I'd watch people walk past the "ENTRANCE" door straight to the door that TELLS them to use the other door. Most would stand there for a while, a few would look around (but not at the writing on the literal wall), a few would even try to pry the ambulance crew door open. I'm not talking about sick people, i talking visitors casually strolling up to go visit sick people in the main hospital.
It's probably why I like EVE, I lost faith in the ability of humans to reason years ago lol |
Fer'isam K'ahn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:[quote=Zifrian] If CCP really wants to share a message with everyone and make sure everyone reads it they should make it POP up like the Downtime window, and then some people would just see a window pop and close it right away ... People are just like that. Back in college I worked part time as a security guard at a hospital in a fairly rural area. The Emergency Room (ER) had 2 entrances from the parking lot/circular drive. One entrance had a person sized door and had the words "ENTRANCE" on on the glass, each letter being almost 2 inches high. The other , bigger door said "AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY" (for ambulance crews and firefighters and such) in even bigger letters. Under that it had an arrow pointing to the right saying "all others use entrance door" or something. Below that the same instruction was re-printed in Spanish. The ambulance crew doors need a code to get in, the regular entrance door opened via motion sensor, you just walk up to it and it opens. The ER was the only way to get into the rest of the hospital after 9pm when the front doors were closed and locked. Time and time and time and time again I'd watch people walk past the "ENTRANCE" door straight to the door that TELLS them to use the other door. Most would stand there for a while, a few would look around (but not at the writing on the literal wall), a few would even try to pry the ambulance crew door open. I'm not talking about sick people, i talking visitors casually strolling up to go visit sick people in the main hospital. It's probably why I like EVE, I lost faith in the ability of humans to reason years ago lol
Cant agree more with that observation, the attention span and awareness as decreased a lot in this advanced age, everything catered to the dumbest user, technology is practically training people to act dumber and less aware, and are rewarded for the help they need. I notice this in all areas be that in a supermarket, playschool or a good old forum. praise simplicity and curse if you are left behind, because you are unable to understand... why the door does not open for you. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
17
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:31:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Cant agree more with that observation, the attention span and awareness as decreased a lot in this advanced age, everything catered to the dumbest user, technology is practically training people to act dumber and less aware, and are rewarded for the help they need. I notice this in all areas be that in a supermarket, playschool or a good old forum. praise simplicity and curse if you are left behind, because you are unable to understand... why the door does not open for you.
Would rather be a little bit ignorant than become an elitist forum troll who wonders around threads looking to point out flaws in everyone who isn't quite up to your amazing IQ level. You've made your point, move on. Do you need to continue to make these passive insults to get a better feeling of self worth?
If you have nothing constructive to say it's best not to say anything. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:49:00 -
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Same to you, you have said absolutely nothing constructive at all, since we at least give a bit of food for thought.
And as long as you return big defender, so might one of us 8)
I stop visiting when its dead , as long as it amuses me, might might stick around and have a look once in a while, makes me feel so supreme and I can really use the boost, me being such a little fella and all, I mean in character and spirit. |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
298
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:33:00 -
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Zaryte wrote:
Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:
For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
So you expect CCP to make reading ALL the patch notes for every expansion mandatory? Because that will go over well with newer players...
A lot of things have been changed quite a lot. I think you expect CCP to take a personal interest in your own situation and talk to you, just you, about what you have to do. That's the impression you give here in any case - Or do you really want to be forced to read through ALL the other changes aswell before you're allowed to log in 4 months before the actual patch is supposed to happen? The change to moon mining may not affect you in any way, but i bet you'd be pretty pissed off if you were forced to learn all the changes up front and memorize them by having CCP shove it in your face at every opportunity.
Fact is, CCP posted about this in a lot of places over the past year. They have done everything they could to inform the playerbase of this change without actually spamming it in everyone's face. It's you who dropped the ball, not them.
Let this be a lesson about EVE in general. The big patches (expansions) always change around a LOT. EVE isn't what it used to be 10 years ago, even some of the underlying systems have changed over time. It pays off to read up on what a patch will bring up front and it should be an extra hint if the developers have been posting about a few issues more often than others.
Adapting to change is a necessary skill to progress in EVE. You can't count on anything staying as it is for all time, if you do you will be left behind very, very quickly.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
17
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:38:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Zaryte wrote:
Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:
For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.
So you expect CCP to make reading ALL the patch notes for every expansion mandatory? Because that will go over well with newer players... A lot of things have been changed quite a lot. I think you expect CCP to take a personal interest in your own situation and talk to you, just you, about what you have to do. That's the impression you give here in any case - Or do you really want to be forced to read through ALL the other changes aswell before you're allowed to log in 4 months before the actual patch is supposed to happen? The change to moon mining may not affect you in any way, but i bet you'd be pretty pissed off if you were forced to learn all the changes up front and memorize them by having CCP shove it in your face at every opportunity. Fact is, CCP posted about this in a lot of places over the past year. They have done everything they could to inform the playerbase of this change without actually spamming it in everyone's face. It's you who dropped the ball, not them. Let this be a lesson about EVE in general. The big patches (expansions) always change around a LOT. EVE isn't what it used to be 10 years ago, even some of the underlying systems have changed over time. It pays off to read up on what a patch will bring up front and it should be an extra hint if the developers have been posting about a few issues more often than others. Adapting to change is a necessary skill to progress in EVE. You can't count on anything staying as it is for all time, if you do you will be left behind very, very quickly.
This was my first expansion, I don't know what to expect of game changes. You're also blowing everything out of proportion. I'm not saying make all patch notes mandatory to read, I've never said anything like that. The only thing that should have been pushed into our faces was the training time for ships, because that literally does affect EVERYONE.
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Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:02:00 -
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Sorry to hear that but look on the bright side of this.Take it as your first 'Eve experience' and wait a little longer. Trust me if you're still playing the game in six months down the track with more SP on your character, you'll look back and laugh about it.
There are FAR more skill intensive abilities you'll need/want to do in the future to make this look like a bump on the road.
fly safe and nuke some miners. o7 Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab. - Said no-one, ever. |
Zaryte
N-Lightning
17
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:21:00 -
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Ryuu Shi wrote:Sorry to hear that but look on the bright side of this.Take it as your first 'Eve experience' and wait a little longer. Trust me if you're still playing the game in six months down the track with more SP on your character, you'll look back and laugh about it. There are FAR more skill intensive abilities you'll need/want to do in the future to make this look like a bump on the road. fly safe and nuke some miners. o7
*feels a little better* It's people like you that restore a little of my faith back into the EVE community. Thanks for the post
..Not so sure about the nuking miners part though |
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