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Rosa Larosa
Wishful Desires Inc.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:37:00 -
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Hearing all the bears complain is making me sic. Treat the mining sites as any other anomaly. Close your holes before you do it......, both of them!!! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1156
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:46:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:No, it doesn't. 1-2) Are you pointing to bugs in implementation as proof the theory itself won't work? 3) No, the sigs will now show up even if they are further than 14.6 AU away. It's like a preschooler's version of a DSP in your ship.
1-2) Yes because it doesn't work properly. It'd be like jumping out of a plane using a chute with holes in it all while telling everyone it's perfectly safe because it shouldn't have holes in it. Yet it does.
3) The operative word is "existing", Nathan. If it already exists and you know about it but you don't have the man power to cover all your exits and mine, then yeah, you'll never see it coming if you do mine.
Rosa Larosa wrote:Hearing all the bears complain is making me sic
And btw sugartits, I am a bear but I don't mine. In fact, how I bear it up in w-space is not affected by these changes whatsoever. I farm sleepers and am perfectly capable of doing it without getting ganked. Last tengu loss >500d. And, I still have a pretty decent KB on my main. This isn't as much whining as it is man talk. So stop trying be all in our man business and go fetch us some beers, mm'kay?
Quote:Close your holes before you do it......, both of them!!!
Perfectly sensible except if the miner didn't have the manpower to keep eyes on both holes, can't really expect him to spend an additional 45 minutes just to close the system up by himself. It's a pretty ridiculous setup time. And also, close both your holes. You're stinking up with place with smell of dead fish and rotten eggs. HTFU!...for the children! |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
298
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:47:00 -
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Are you calling my girl sugartits? And I also carebeared a C3 alone for half a year and I managed to close my holes pretty well thank you bery much. Now shut your hole and go make me a sandwich. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
100
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:18:00 -
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Surely it is still easier than running an anom combat site? They're always on dscan like the new grav sites, and most people manage to gtfo of them when you want to kill them... I'd say Grav sites are safer, I don't think I've ever seen an asteroid point someone. |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.06.08 10:49:00 -
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Lenier Chenal wrote: Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram.
The damned things have a tendency to tackle you and call for help, too. Best Venture is tackle Venture.
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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1299
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:13:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote: Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram.
The damned things have a tendency to tackle you and call for help, too. Best Venture is tackle Venture.
I honestly approve of the changes Ventures have made to wormhole mining/gassing. They're at the very least a lot harder to capture (prompting more noobs to get into WH space), and can even be used for PVP. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Phorneus
Vocare Ad Regnum
3
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:56:00 -
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and ... one year later, mining is no longer an AFK business... cuzz CCP will add a minigame, just like hacking lol!
oh wait, i was dreaming... back into the mining...
zzzzzzz |
Anti-social Tendencies
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:30:00 -
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Rosa Larosa wrote:Hearing all the bears complain is making me sic. Treat the mining sites as any other anomaly. Close your holes before you do it......, both of them!!!
Yeah, but miners used to have two choices, mine in belts or look for sigs to mine. Now we only one option. PvE players didn't have th eir options reduced in a like manner.
"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE |
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:14:00 -
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I'm still mining. I just use a tanked procurer. It's cheap and can take a beating unless a bunch of people show up. Most times I've been attacked there's been more then enough time to call for help and the attackers die. If no help is around I just shrug and eject to save getting podded. According to my numbers I can pretty easily make isk even with having to replace a ship now and then. Our WH isn't super busy most of the time. |
Ellendras Silver
Axial tilt
17
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:29:00 -
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Lenier Chenal wrote:Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram.
yeah but WAY less ore and smaller ore bay makes it not realy worth it.
so this is makiing WH mining less attractive and it wasnt that attractive to start with, i mean not only you need to haul everything continue while mining you need to compress it and move it to high sec to refine but in high sec you need to travel a lot aswell as you always have diffrent exits + that orca to move out 200k compressed ore will have big impact on the WH mass
give miners at least the chance of ice belts in WH space and a good refining module for minerals because 25% loss is nothing anyone wants too loose refining it.
and i thought that Odessey should promote mining in 0.0 well without hidden belts so anyone can instantly warp to ore site when entering system as there arent many of thoise sites in 0.0 or in WH space miners are scr*wed pretty hard.
i aint a miner but its pretty much only solo content in C4 or higher after PI is done |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1425
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:04:00 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:i aint a miner but its pretty much only solo content in C4 or higher after PI is done
PVP? |
Ellendras Silver
Axial tilt
17
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:44:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Ellendras Silver wrote:i aint a miner but its pretty much only solo content in C4 or higher after PI is done PVP?
well i did some PVP in 0.0 and before that a bit in low sec i am far from a bad ass PVPer but i defo like it and want to do it more. but i also like PVE 9doing sites) more then i like mining but i do mining aswell |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
302
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:28:00 -
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Carebears go waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! |
Ellendras Silver
Axial tilt
17
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:14:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Carebears go waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
you should not forget to take your meds cant you see you need them!? |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
302
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:00:00 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Carebears go waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! you should not forget to take your meds cant you see you need them!?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? |
Ellendras Silver
Axial tilt
17
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:30:00 -
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Lenier Chenal wrote:Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram.
just becaue i was curious i tried it men takes forever to mine decent amount no that isnt an option |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1426
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:32:00 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:Lenier Chenal wrote:Just use a venture. Those things are annoying to catch, even with a 3+ point scram. just becaue i was curious i tried it men takes forever to mine decent amount no that isnt an option
Now I'm not much of a miner. Although I do generally mine (2 retrievers) for maybe an hour every couple of months. Its just enough to get the minerals I need for polymer reactions (which is also just something to do when I'm bored).
I just mined for an hour post odyssey and managed to live. WH mining still sucks and I don't know why anyone would bother. |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
302
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Posted - 2013.06.10 20:13:00 -
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Cause all of those lasers hitting those rocks is badass |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1426
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Posted - 2013.06.10 20:28:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cause all of those lasers hitting those rocks is badass
well put it this way. The mining (while boring as is) isn't the worst part it seems to me. it's the aftermath that would really make me want to gouge my eyes out. |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
96
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:04:00 -
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For all those who say that WH mining has been killed by the new changes. This is what happened to me yesterday.
I was mining Ark in a Retriever, Cloaked Stealth Bomber warps in, I run away, bug out of system and look for another WH to ninja.
OK, it wasn't that simple, it took recon, planning and setting up, but that was the outcome. The changes mean that now, you have to plan a mining Op in a WH system, especially if you are a solo miner like me.
What it has done is hamper afk mining in WH systems and has made people to actually have to play the game.
And no, I am not going to tell how I set up my Op, it's not rocket science and if you can't work it out for yourself you shouldn't be in a WH system. Also, because it's not rocket science it probably won't be that difficult for somebody to come up with a counter. The longer that can be delayed, the longer I can keep doing what I have to do before I try implementing Plan 'B' |
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Ellendras Silver
Axial tilt
17
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:48:00 -
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Max Godsnottlingson wrote:For all those who say that WH mining has been killed by the new changes. This is what happened to me yesterday.
I was mining Ark in a Retriever, Cloaked Stealth Bomber warps in, I run away, bug out of system and look for another WH to ninja.
OK, it wasn't that simple, it took recon, planning and setting up, but that was the outcome. The changes mean that now, you have to plan a mining Op in a WH system, especially if you are a solo miner like me.
What it has done is hamper afk mining in WH systems and has made people to actually have to play the game.
And no, I am not going to tell how I set up my Op, it's not rocket science and if you can't work it out for yourself you shouldn't be in a WH system. Also, because it's not rocket science it probably won't be that difficult for somebody to come up with a counter. The longer that can be delayed, the longer I can keep doing what I have to do before I try implementing Plan 'B'
riddle me this... how much ISK an hour you make doing that? because without boosts and only in a retriever you cant make that much. damn its more profitable to do missions in HS i am sure!
so the risk vs reward is completly out of balance in WHs and the logistics to get it compressed => moved to HS => correct station with standings + where the rest of your ore is => refinning it and moving it back tho the last step is optional
come on too much risk and too much effort for too few isk is pretty much why nobody wanna do it |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1427
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:03:00 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:Max Godsnottlingson wrote:For all those who say that WH mining has been killed by the new changes. This is what happened to me yesterday.
I was mining Ark in a Retriever, Cloaked Stealth Bomber warps in, I run away, bug out of system and look for another WH to ninja.
OK, it wasn't that simple, it took recon, planning and setting up, but that was the outcome. The changes mean that now, you have to plan a mining Op in a WH system, especially if you are a solo miner like me.
What it has done is hamper afk mining in WH systems and has made people to actually have to play the game.
And no, I am not going to tell how I set up my Op, it's not rocket science and if you can't work it out for yourself you shouldn't be in a WH system. Also, because it's not rocket science it probably won't be that difficult for somebody to come up with a counter. The longer that can be delayed, the longer I can keep doing what I have to do before I try implementing Plan 'B' riddle me this... how much ISK an hour you make doing that? because without boosts and only in a retriever you cant make that much. damn its more profitable to do missions in HS i am sure! so the risk vs reward is completly out of balance in WHs and the logistics to get it compressed => moved to HS => correct station with standings + where the rest of your ore is => refinning it and moving it back tho the last step is optional come on too much risk and too much effort for too few isk is pretty much why nobody wanna do it
Forget the risk. Effort alone makes it not worth it. |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
96
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:03:00 -
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Reward is with a couple of loads or Ark or Bist, I can get more Battleships built and up for sale in High Sec. Making mega isk isn't the whole game, playing the game is what matters. As I said, I have a plan that works for me, at the moment, knowing how good Eve players are at thinking 'outside of the box' I am guessing that it is not too long before I have to work out a new plan. And that is the main reward for me. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
473
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:27:00 -
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why do wormhole minning when can you do wormhole winning |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
96
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:39:00 -
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Casirio wrote:why do wormhole minning when can you do wormhole winning
This is what I am looking at now, sort of Gamekeeper turning Poacher.
Max is an old character now, and the player behind him is even older, so it takes time for new ideas to sink in. But Max has more then made his iskies, has done everything from huge fleet battles in Delve to fast frigate sweeps, to grinding out missions and building stuff. |
1c3crysta1
Unknown in the unknown
12
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:47:00 -
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I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1431
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:04:00 -
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1c3crysta1 wrote:I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.
Just remove the 75% hard cap from the refining array would fix alot. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1313
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:05:00 -
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1c3crysta1 wrote:I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it.
Costs over a bil, but it's called a Rorqual. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1431
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:12:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:1c3crysta1 wrote:I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it. Costs over a bil, but it's called a Rorqual.
Not the same, and hardly as useful as a non-broken refining array would be. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1313
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:18:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Nathan Jameson wrote:1c3crysta1 wrote:I really think that WH mining needs a new refining module with a good throughput/efficency to open it up to a larger audience. Having to use an iteron for every load of ore that you mine isn't worth it. Costs over a bil, but it's called a Rorqual. Not the same, and hardly as useful as a non-broken refining array would be.
I agree. Refining in a POS really should be on the same efficiency level as a station, if not higher. I honestly don't know why it isn't...you jump through enough hoops to use one. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
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