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Salm0neus
Misfits United Rough Riders.
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:03:00 -
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The alliance that I am part of recently became part of a war. I went and shot one of their Frieght containers and I became concorded and my ship was distroyed.
Screen shot of 3 of the 4 containers left and my wreckage.
http://i.imgur.com/qiOegJI.jpg
Kill: Salm0neus (Probe)
This also resulted in me loosing my pod
Kill: Salm0neus (Capsule)
I would not have lost my pod if I was not concorded. My pod was 50mil in implants.
Greetings, GM Bunyip here.
It appears that the container was not a legal target as its owner had left his corporation earlier that day. Unfortunately, we can also see in our logs that you repeatedly attempted this action and failed due to safeties. You then then disabled the safeties, which essentially demonstrates an understanding and explicit foreknowledge that the action you were just about to perform would result in a CONCORD action.
Given all this, I'm afraid we cannot provide reimbursement of the capsule that was lost some minutes later, as we cannot see any indication of a bug or other issue here that caused the loss.
If you have any other questions or problems, please let me know and I'll be happy to assist you further.
Best regards, GM Bunyip EVE Online Customer Support Team | EVE Online | DUST 514
When the containers were targeted they STILL came up with war target icons. If a player "Launches for the corp" then anchors them, then technically they are the corps, not the person to anchored them. If they were that person's then it should say something like "Launch for prsonal use" which the game does not have. This is a glitch which i lost my ship, and when getting screen shots i lost my pod. Please re-imburse for this
We can only re-iterate what GM Bunyip has already stated; you disabled the safeties on your game client after having failed to attack that container repeatedly due to the safety. If the safety prevents you from attacking a ship or an object then that target is not a legit target for you to attack and disabling your safety is done at your own risk and responsibility. Your ship or capsule are not considered eligible for reimbursement as a result.
If you have any further questions or concerns then please do not hesitate to ask, we will do what we can to assist you.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
dispite the fact that i disengaged the safeties, it still showed up as a war target. It was owned by the corp we were at war with.
If i launch something for the corp, the corp owns it, not me.... if this is different then this should be told to us, but it isn't |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:09:00 -
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No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Salm0neus
Misfits United Rough Riders.
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:10:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules.
It's an object that is owned by the corporation that was war targeted.... that is a bug |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:10:00 -
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Salm0neus wrote:The alliance that I am part of recently became part of a war. I went and shot one of their Frieght containers and I became concorded and my ship was distroyed. Screen shot of 3 of the 4 containers left and my wreckage. http://i.imgur.com/qiOegJI.jpgKill: Salm0neus (Probe) This also resulted in me loosing my pod Kill: Salm0neus (Capsule) I would not have lost my pod if I was not concorded. My pod was 50mil in implants.
Greetings, GM Bunyip here. It appears that the container was not a legal target as its owner had left his corporation earlier that day. Unfortunately, we can also see in our logs that you repeatedly attempted this action and failed due to safeties. You then then disabled the safeties, which essentially demonstrates an understanding and explicit foreknowledge that the action you were just about to perform would result in a CONCORD action. Given all this, I'm afraid we cannot provide reimbursement of the capsule that was lost some minutes later, as we cannot see any indication of a bug or other issue here that caused the loss. If you have any other questions or problems, please let me know and I'll be happy to assist you further. Best regards, GM Bunyip EVE Online Customer Support Team | EVE Online | DUST 514
When the containers were targeted they STILL came up with war target icons. If a player "Launches for the corp" then anchors them, then technically they are the corps, not the person to anchored them. If they were that person's then it should say something like "Launch for prsonal use" which the game does not have. This is a glitch which i lost my ship, and when getting screen shots i lost my pod. Please re-imburse for this
We can only re-iterate what GM Bunyip has already stated; you disabled the safeties on your game client after having failed to attack that container repeatedly due to the safety. If the safety prevents you from attacking a ship or an object then that target is not a legit target for you to attack and disabling your safety is done at your own risk and responsibility. Your ship or capsule are not considered eligible for reimbursement as a result. If you have any further questions or concerns then please do not hesitate to ask, we will do what we can to assist you. Best regards, Senior GM Spiral CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
dispite the fact that i disengaged the safeties, it still showed up as a war target. It was owned by the corp we were at war with. If i launch something for the corp, the corp owns it, not me.... if this is different then this should be told to us, but it isn't
I'll explain this:
You should contract the rest of your belongings to me and uninstall. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:15:00 -
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B- |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:16:00 -
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Salm0neus wrote:dispite the fact that i disengaged the safeties, it still showed up as a war target. It was owned by the corp we were at war with.
If i launch something for the corp, the corp owns it, not me.... GÇ£IfGÇ¥.
Sounds more like you had an overview bug, and he's quite right: the fact that you had to disable your safeties should have tipped you off. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Asptar Monastair
Adventurers
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:16:00 -
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Salm0neus wrote:Felicity Love wrote:No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules. It's an object that is owned by the corporation that was war targeted.... that is a bug
That depends on how it was launched. If it was launched personally it belongs to the pilot. If it was launched for the corp then it belongs to the corp.
Edit: Just realised we are talking about freight cans not GSC's, but the same logic still applies. The cans are launched personally, which means they belong to the pilot, not the corp. Just because corp members can access it doesn't mean it belongs to them. |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:19:00 -
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Salm0neus wrote:Felicity Love wrote:No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules. It's an object that is owned by the corporation that was war targeted.... that is a bug no, the object cant be launched for corp like a pos can.
if it were a secure one then it can be launched for corp, and anchored.
ice miners use those freight containers as a buffer, and they rely on them fitting only on freighters to prevent theft. and avoid griefing because you cant jetcan more than once in a few minutes. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
507
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:24:00 -
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Huh. I wonder.
If the pilot left the corp earlier that day (non-downtime, or real-time), do objects-in-space only update on a downtime basis? Which is to say, the object showed on overview as a war target, but when the server checked legality, the safeties engaged? As to say, after the next downtime, did the object in space show as the pilot's again? |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
412
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:25:00 -
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This thread will be locked and edited because no matter how hilarious this is, reposting GM conversations is in violation of the EULA.
Which is a shame because this is actually hilarious. Get your screenshots while you can people. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
1940
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:26:00 -
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When you find a bug the proper course of action is to report it, not to get yourself CONCORDED. It does appear to be a bug in that a can owned by a player does not change its corp tag when that player changes corp. That's the bug: The can should have had a different tag. But that does not justifying you turning off your safety to shoot it. If you got to go safety red to shoot something you will die.
IB4TL http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Seniae 0n3
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:26:00 -
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There's no need to turn off safety if the fight is against valid targets like wartargets, duel or reengageing an attack. The only reason to turn off safety is if you commit a crime like stealing or shooting something you aren't supposed to shoot or anything that would call in concord or have the gate guns open fire on you.
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Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:52:00 -
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In case anyone was still wondering why the safety exists, here is your answer.
Also,
Lock. It's what's for dinner. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
755
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:54:00 -
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ibtl |
Liam Mirren
613
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:12:00 -
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Quote:It appears that the container was not a legal target as its owner had left his corporation earlier that day
Yet the cans still show the corp ticker so while the "can't fire with the safeties on, lets take them off" was rather... dumb, the confusion understandable. This is an actual issue/bug and it would have been nice for said GM to show some leniency, this being an obvious oversight by CCP (this never happens btw).
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
841
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:15:00 -
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I like the part where you specifically changed your safety settings because, obviously, the warnings were wrong. I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1565
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:40:00 -
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If you don't want your thread locked, I suggest you remove the petitions, or at least the GMs names. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
413
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:03:00 -
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Seeing as I spend a lot of time looking at Eve through the TMC lens. This feels like some sort of convoluted PvE ALOD.
I should talk to the guys about this! TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3028
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:34:00 -
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And to think CCP put the safety setting in the game to protect people like you from killing themselves The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:05:00 -
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Deploy can when in wardecced corp, drop corp, can retains corp ticker but is no longer valid war target. IMHO this is unexpected behaviour. Anything that shows up as belonging to the corp you are at war with should be a valid target.
Disabling safeties then complaining that you were CONCORDED? I am afraid that counts as a "derp".
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Virgin Dallocort
Rayz Holdings
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:11:00 -
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Salm0neus wrote:The alliance that I am part of recently became part of a war. I went and shot one of their Frieght containers and I became concorded and my ship was distroyed. Screen shot of 3 of the 4 containers left and my wreckage. http://i.imgur.com/qiOegJI.jpgKill: Salm0neus (Probe) This also resulted in me loosing my pod Kill: Salm0neus (Capsule) I would not have lost my pod if I was not concorded. My pod was 50mil in implants.
Greetings, GM Bunyip here. It appears that the container was not a legal target as its owner had left his corporation earlier that day. Unfortunately, we can also see in our logs that you repeatedly attempted this action and failed due to safeties. You then then disabled the safeties, which essentially demonstrates an understanding and explicit foreknowledge that the action you were just about to perform would result in a CONCORD action. Given all this, I'm afraid we cannot provide reimbursement of the capsule that was lost some minutes later, as we cannot see any indication of a bug or other issue here that caused the loss. If you have any other questions or problems, please let me know and I'll be happy to assist you further. Best regards, GM Bunyip EVE Online Customer Support Team | EVE Online | DUST 514
When the containers were targeted they STILL came up with war target icons. If a player "Launches for the corp" then anchors them, then technically they are the corps, not the person to anchored them. If they were that person's then it should say something like "Launch for prsonal use" which the game does not have. This is a glitch which i lost my ship, and when getting screen shots i lost my pod. Please re-imburse for this
We can only re-iterate what GM Bunyip has already stated; you disabled the safeties on your game client after having failed to attack that container repeatedly due to the safety. If the safety prevents you from attacking a ship or an object then that target is not a legit target for you to attack and disabling your safety is done at your own risk and responsibility. Your ship or capsule are not considered eligible for reimbursement as a result. If you have any further questions or concerns then please do not hesitate to ask, we will do what we can to assist you. Best regards, Senior GM Spiral CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
dispite the fact that i disengaged the safeties, it still showed up as a war target. It was owned by the corp we were at war with. If i launch something for the corp, the corp owns it, not me.... if this is different then this should be told to us, but it isn't
I seem to remember Cpt Gulag telling the corp you are at war with THEY would be loosing millions of ISK in ships.
Sucks to be you.
Also, Bahahahahahahahahahahah!
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Cloora
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
118
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:17:00 -
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Wow... disables the safety and expects a reimbursement.
The LOL is strong with this one... http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
133
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:18:00 -
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Ahh, so it was the warnings that were wrong...I see what the problem here is Oderint Dum Metuant |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:19:00 -
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What happened is, you lost a cheap ship and a pod, to learn a very valuable lesson about how the safeties work.
If they're on, and you can't shoot something because of this...
And then you turn them off...
Concord. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:37:00 -
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Discussion of GM replies is prohibited. Topic has been locked.
Rule 9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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