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Zongrash
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:16:00 -
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I did some snowball mining in null after the change and harvested out a few select rocks in several systems after I heard that the anoms do not respawn after downtime.
Got up this morning, all the ice chunks are still missing from the fields. They did not respawn after downtime.
This is a problem for a variety of reasons.
A lot of null harvesting is done by one, or maybe two people at a time. A lot of the time in only a single barge or two. This means that if the sites do not respawn after downtime we now need to spend anywhere from several days to over a week harvesting all the ice we do not want from the site before it respawns. That is a ridiculous amount of time.
It seems counter intuitive to have null-ice which is more valuable than the highsec type and then force null miners to harvest 5x to 10x the volume of other ice to get that small bit of null ice (Dark glitter, glare crust)
I personally do not do any heavy mining. I grab a back end system and harvest a few hours/day with a single mack to get the non-isotope ice products for fuel block manufacturing. It will take me ~10-15 hours (depends of truesec) to harvest all of the ice I need from a site (3-5 days for me). It would then take me another 45-50 hours to harvest the rest out ( 15-17 days) before I could get the ice I use again.
Obviously this isn't much of an issue, except ISK/h for null ice being nearly the same if not lower as it was pre-odyssey, for large mining fleets. But you don't see many of those in null due to the inherent risks of the place.
Hopefully that can be taken into consideration with downtime respawning. |
energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:26:00 -
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It probably re-spawns on another separate interval, in a different location after downtime. Just a guess. Yes.
They speed up the mining process. Allowing fleets of exhumers to eat the ice in 20-30 min then we have to wait several hours for another one. Yesterday the regular ice miners in my system resorted to eating all the belts in the system because there was no ice to mine lol. |
Xena Reia
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:00:00 -
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energypills wrote:It probably re-spawns on another separate interval, in a different location after downtime. Just a guess. Yes.
They speed up the mining process. Allowing fleets of exhumers to eat the ice in 20-30 min then we have to wait several hours for another one. Yesterday the regular ice miners in my system resorted to eating all the belts in the system because there was no ice to mine lol.
After checking it out the Ice site does not respawn in a different location and is the same site that was there before downtime.
In highsec this isn't a problem because you have large ice mining fleets. But in null it is, because you don't often see large fleets. The norm currently is just a couple barges in an ice belt a couple hours/day which means it takes days or weeks to get a site to respawn.
Even if you ignore all of that. The ISK/h becuase the sites do not respawn is pretty bad.
Before the change lets say 1 block per minute for simplicity you would make ~20mill/h from ice. Now you will get 2 blocks per minute and only make 21.5 mill/h (for low truesec) and 24.4mill/h (from high truesec) from harvesting. This is definitely not much of an incentive to harvest in null. |
El 1974
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:18:00 -
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We have been discussing this earlier on this forum. The ice belts are now anomalies. So the idea was that at downtime they wouldn't respawn as full belts after you took out some ice. But after 72 hours the anomaly should fully respawn elsewhere at the next downtime. I'm interested to hear if it actually will happen this way. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:21:00 -
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Ice belts are respawning in high-sec after DT even if they have been partially mined. Not sure why it should be different in nul-sec.
I think you will be unlucky if an ice anomaly is cleared in 20 to 30 minutes. The one we were in yesterday lasted two and a half hours. You're probably better off relocating to another area.
Even with the doubling of yield if you are mining for iskies you are still better off mining for ore in high sec given that you will not always be able to find any ice. I think it's probably best to mine ice only if you are going to use it yourself to run POSes etc. |
energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:36:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Ice belts are respawning in high-sec after DT even if they have been partially mined. Not sure why it should be different in nul-sec.
I think you will be unlucky if an ice anomaly is cleared in 20 to 30 minutes. The one we were in yesterday lasted two and a half hours. You're probably better off relocating to another area.
Even with the doubling of yield if you are mining for iskies you are still better off mining for ore in high sec given that you will not always be able to find any ice. I think it's probably best to mine ice only if you are going to use it yourself to run POSes etc.
Oh it happens regularly. 30 min - 1 hour its gone. |
Zongrash
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:58:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Ice belts are respawning in high-sec after DT even if they have been partially mined. Not sure why it should be different in nul-sec.
I think you will be unlucky if an ice anomaly is cleared in 20 to 30 minutes. The one we were in yesterday lasted two and a half hours. You're probably better off relocating to another area.
Even with the doubling of yield if you are mining for iskies you are still better off mining for ore in high sec given that you will not always be able to find any ice. I think it's probably best to mine ice only if you are going to use it yourself to run POSes etc.
What defines partially mined?
Is there a base % that needs to be mined out? |
El 1974
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:39:00 -
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Zongrash wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Ice belts are respawning in high-sec after DT even if they have been partially mined. Not sure why it should be different in nul-sec.
I think you will be unlucky if an ice anomaly is cleared in 20 to 30 minutes. The one we were in yesterday lasted two and a half hours. You're probably better off relocating to another area.
Even with the doubling of yield if you are mining for iskies you are still better off mining for ore in high sec given that you will not always be able to find any ice. I think it's probably best to mine ice only if you are going to use it yourself to run POSes etc. What defines partially mined? Is there a base % that needs to be mined out? I doubt he meant to say you get a new belt spawned, just the leftovers are still there after DT. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:37:00 -
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I guess I'm missing something. You say you are making fuel blocks. Don't those need isotopes? Don't those isotopes come from the "normal" ice? So don't you have to mine them too to make your fuel blocks? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.06.07 05:53:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I guess I'm missing something. You say you are making fuel blocks. Don't those need isotopes? Don't those isotopes come from the "normal" ice? So don't you have to mine them too to make your fuel blocks? What if I live in Amarr space and use Caldari towers?
I'm very annoyed to know we are forced to mine the ice we dont want. Why cannot we just destroy that ugly icicles? Like you know, drop a dread, siege green and get rid of them. Would be fun, and sandboxy - dont you think? |
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Ganja Beard
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.07 07:25:00 -
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You could always, mine the ice and sell it and then buy the stuff you need. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:03:00 -
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Ganja Beard wrote:You could always, mine the ice and sell it and then buy the stuff you need. You say it from the point of view of an average hisec dweller. I nullsec, you typically have to wait about a week to haul your stuff to Jita and bought stuff back to you. You have to manage courier contracts, which becomes annoying quite fast, and you pay serious isk to JF pilots for their tedious job. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:44:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Ganja Beard wrote:You could always, mine the ice and sell it and then buy the stuff you need. You say it from the point of view of an average hisec dweller. I nullsec, you typically have to wait about a week to haul your stuff to Jita and bought stuff back to you. You have to manage courier contracts, which becomes annoying quite fast, and you pay serious isk to JF pilots for their tedious job.
then use amarr towers. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:Ganja Beard wrote:You could always, mine the ice and sell it and then buy the stuff you need. You say it from the point of view of an average hisec dweller. I nullsec, you typically have to wait about a week to haul your stuff to Jita and bought stuff back to you. You have to manage courier contracts, which becomes annoying quite fast, and you pay serious isk to JF pilots for their tedious job. then use amarr towers. Or live in hisec. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:57:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:Ganja Beard wrote:You could always, mine the ice and sell it and then buy the stuff you need. You say it from the point of view of an average hisec dweller. I nullsec, you typically have to wait about a week to haul your stuff to Jita and bought stuff back to you. You have to manage courier contracts, which becomes annoying quite fast, and you pay serious isk to JF pilots for their tedious job. then use amarr towers. Or live in hisec. or just stop crying, and accept the operating costs of owning a pos.
the options are endless! |
Sidrat Flush
The Praxis Initiative
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Posted - 2013.08.31 17:11:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Ganja Beard wrote:You could always, mine the ice and sell it and then buy the stuff you need. You say it from the point of view of an average hisec dweller. I nullsec, you typically have to wait about a week to haul your stuff to Jita and bought stuff back to you. You have to manage courier contracts, which becomes annoying quite fast, and you pay serious isk to JF pilots for their tedious job.
If you're waiting a week for your corp/alliance to complete a courier contract - find a better corp in a better alliance.
Or realise there's a gap in your market (and it's pretty private) that needs filling and find out what it will take - you may end up getting people to pay you and end up moving your own stuff for free.
Initial outlay may be high, extra accounts mandatory, investments may go down in flames or return home safely.
Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer. |
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