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energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:20:00 -
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A few thoughts on this.
Since there was no ice belt avaialble when I logged on I played the waiting game and hung out on the undock in my solo ice miner and kept watching the scanner every 30 min to see if an ice belt appeared. It came time for me to go to bed so I got absolutely nothing of course and began to realize :
The regular ice miners that have 10 or more exhumers at their command will eat the ice belt spawn in less than 30 minutes. That leaves a VERY tiny window for people to mine ice. I was mining ice in a .5 system. Are there any systems where the belts spawn in shorter intervals? It would be nice to have even a timer for when the next ice belt would spawn. Cause you log in - not knowing how long ago the last block of ice was eaten up. Then your just playing the waiting game for ages hoping to find another.
In most regions of EVE the systems that have ice belts are pretty far apart so it doesn't seem practical to try and go to another one that might have an Ice belt spawn. Maybe CCP wants their to be more high sec war decs? And if that is the case - these ice miners with 10 or more NPC corp mining toons could be exempt? Wow. |
Zongrash
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:28:00 -
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Getting out of highsec and harvesting in null is definitely worth it now. There is not much competition and lots of sites. I harvest with an alt while doing other activities, works great. You just need to be sure to have a combat ship in system to pop rats when they spawn and to watch local.
The only problem this brings up with only 1 or 2 barges mining a site is that the site does not respawn after downtime. Forcing you to harvest all the ice you don't want. |
Klarion Sythis
nul-li-fy Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:33:00 -
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Or...CCP wants to shift the balance of resources to create a higher demand for null ice mining. |
energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:50:00 -
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I figured I'd take a hulk and just grab whatever I could with its three harvesters so I could target more ice at a time, when I logged on but there wasn't an ice field for over three hours. It was pitiful. |
Zongrash
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:08:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Or...CCP wants to shift the balance of resources to create a higher demand for null ice mining.
Not really, after seeing my corpmates numbers for null harvesting 1block/m pre-odyssey and 2 blocks/m post odyssey.
Pre-Odyssey ISK/h- 20mill
Post Odyssey ISK/h- 21-24mill |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
661
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:37:00 -
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energypills wrote:
In most regions of EVE the systems that have ice belts are pretty far apart so it doesn't seem practical to try and go to another one that might have an Ice belt spawn. Maybe CCP wants their to be more high sec war decs? And if that is the case - these ice miners with 10 or more NPC corp mining toons could be exempt? Wow.
Pro Tip: Dev Blogs are full of solid info on exactly the topic you speak of. Make an effort.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:10:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:energypills wrote:
In most regions of EVE the systems that have ice belts are pretty far apart so it doesn't seem practical to try and go to another one that might have an Ice belt spawn. Maybe CCP wants their to be more high sec war decs? And if that is the case - these ice miners with 10 or more NPC corp mining toons could be exempt? Wow.
Pro Tip: Dev Blogs are full of solid info on exactly the topic you speak of. Make an effort.
Not sure what you are referring to? If you are telling me to read it - then yes I am reading it right now. |
Tess Emmagan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:45:00 -
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energypills wrote: The regular ice miners that have 10 or more exhumers at their command will eat the ice belt spawn in less than 30 minutes. That leaves a VERY tiny window for people to mine ice.
This is a good reason to support your friendly neighboorhood gankers and blow those miners the **** up. |
energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:52:00 -
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Tess Emmagan wrote:energypills wrote: The regular ice miners that have 10 or more exhumers at their command will eat the ice belt spawn in less than 30 minutes. That leaves a VERY tiny window for people to mine ice.
This is a good reason to support your friendly neighboorhood gankers and blow those miners the **** up.
Believe me I would much rather be doing that. If only smart bombs were allowed in high sec. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
135
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:43:00 -
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Zongrash wrote:Klarion Sythis wrote:Or...CCP wants to shift the balance of resources to create a higher demand for null ice mining. Not really, after seeing my corpmates numbers for null harvesting 1block/m pre-odyssey and 2 blocks/m post odyssey. Pre-Odyssey ISK/h- 20mill Post Odyssey ISK/h- 21-24mill
I don't normally respond to statements like this but....
A skilled Retriever pilot with an orca boost can churn out 128 block an hour. The cheapest ice in null sec out there is currently selling at 270,000 ISK a block. That is 34,560,000 ISK per hour.
A maxed our hulk pilot with a Rorqual boost will bring in 170 blocks an hour, which would come to 45,900,000 ISK an hour.
And that's just the cheap stuff and not taking into account any of the better ice that you will also be mining.
So not sure where you are getting 21-24 million an hour from but I would be interested in knowing.
Sure I would love to be abe to exclusively mine Dark Glitter as I did before the patch. Dark Glitter is currently selling for 670,000 per block which would make the maxed our Hulk pilot from above 113,900,000 ISK per hour. That would be great, but I don't think that was the devs intention. I just want to make sure we are using real numbers here.
I'm going to test out the whole respawning at downtime thing this weekend because I am hearing a lot of different statements about it. |
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
17
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:57:00 -
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24 mil per hour is the current rate per hour roughly for mining ice in high sec. Which is about 2 mil less than what you get mining ore in high sec. BUT with the new anomalies 24 mil per hour on ice will be quite hard to attain. |
Admiral Nagumo
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:38:00 -
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I'm guessing in a couple years, there won't be anything decent left to do in high/low sec and everyone will be part of a couple mega null-sec alliances. Everyone will manufacture, nobody will sell. Jita and the other trade hubs will be the home of a new empire build on scamming.
So yeah I can understand the frustration of new playersGǪ The best part of EVE being such an approved paradise for gankers and grievers is that they are too busy camping 0.4 gates and thus stay away from other games :D |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1963
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:41:00 -
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They're collecting data on the feasibility of moving all mining content to anomalies.
And I hope they'll do it. Anomalies allow more complex scripting than current belts and thus can add space weather and random events to make mining more interesting. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Mark Munoz
Str8ngeBrew RAZOR Alliance
108
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:50:00 -
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You do know that your ship can use star gates to travel to other systems that also spawn ice belts right? |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
40
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:54:00 -
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Admiral Nagumo wrote:I'm guessing in a couple years, there won't be anything decent left to do in high/low sec and everyone will be part of a couple mega null-sec alliances. Everyone will manufacture, nobody will sell. Jita and the other trade hubs will be the home of a new empire build on scamming.
So yeah I can understand the frustration of new playersGǪ The best part of EVE being such an approved paradise for gankers and grievers is that they are too busy camping 0.4 gates and thus stay away from other games :D
I'm guessing that in a few year there will be 5 different race, that the ammar will be the best speedtank and that ice will grow cavernous maws and a terrible hunger for capsuleer flesh and start eating people.
About as likely as your theory. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vendetta Syndicate
153
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:00:00 -
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I think this shows that 4 hrs is just too big of a gap.
I'd like to see it cut down to every 2 hrs and just cut the amount that spawns in half.
This would really work against those big groups more. |
energypills
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:34:00 -
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Mark Munoz wrote:You do know that your ship can use star gates to travel to other systems that also spawn ice belts right?
Yeah I want to jump 24 slow alignments to another system to see if a belt just 'happens' to be there. |
Dave Stark
3102
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:37:00 -
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energypills wrote:It came time for me to go to bed so I got absolutely nothing of course and began to realize :
i could also mine ore if i swapped my high slot modules, so it's all fine.
great isn't it? |
Terian en Cedoulain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.07 20:42:00 -
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I needed ice to fuel my POS and could not find any at first... but after some jumps, I found several belts of ice that are completely untouched and haven't moved since the release of Oddysey. I am currently mining one of those for ice. You just have to know where to look, and be willing to take some risks. Explore the universe man, that's what Oddysey is all about!
And no, I am not talking about nullsec and yes I am a solo non-pvp inclined industrial player in my own private corp (and consider myself casual - which is obviously a subjective term, but whatever).
The ice changes are fine with me. |
Lyra Jedran
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
2
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:29:00 -
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I donGÇÖt see what all the fuss is about. My mining fleet mines in a system that takes 2 and a half hours to chew the ice anomaly. There is another system with an ice belt three jumps away that takes even longer to finish off their ice anomaly. If I felt like it I could mine ice all day long going back and forth. As always in Eve the rich get richer as they can afford to plan ahead and bankroll larger mining fleets.Hooray for progress. |
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El 1974
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
84
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:44:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:A skilled Retriever pilot with an orca boost can churn out 128 block an hour. The cheapest ice in null sec out there is currently selling at 270,000 ISK a block. That is 34,560,000 ISK per hour.
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Sure I would love to be abe to exclusively mine Dark Glitter as I did before the patch. Dark Glitter is currently selling for 670,000 per block which would make the maxed our Hulk pilot from above 113,900,000 ISK per hour. That would be great, but I don't think that was the devs intention. I just want to make sure we are using real numbers here.
I'm going to test out the whole respawning at downtime thing this weekend because I am hearing a lot of different statements about it. I think he's looking at the local price in his nullsec region. In most nullsec space many ice products will be worth less than they are worth in Jita. Rorquals cannot keep up with ice miners to compress ice, so you can't really look at Jita prices. If you get 670k for a block of uncompressed Dark Glitter then I'd advice you to sell your stock quickly. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
212
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Posted - 2013.06.08 13:13:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:I think this shows that 4 hrs is just too big of a gap.
Not at all. what it's showing is that there is an over capacity of ice miners in high sec.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
136
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Posted - 2013.06.09 00:23:00 -
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El 1974 wrote: I think he's looking at the local price in his nullsec region. In most nullsec space many ice products will be worth less than they are worth in Jita. Rorquals cannot keep up with ice miners to compress ice, so you can't really look at Jita prices. If you get 670k for a block of uncompressed Dark Glitter then I'd advice you to sell your stock quickly.
Hmmmm. I guess I assumed most null sec ice miners had a [redacted by Xado Corporate Security] to Jita. I do appologize.
As far as compression goes, I was worried about it when I heard of the expansion. However now that I am no longer mining exlusively Dark Glitter and I am mostly mining racial ice the compression isn't really a big issue as racial ice does not need to be compressed. My compression lines only have to keep up with the higher end ice, which is a much smaller portion of the whole after the expansion.
Anyway, not sure I would sell my ice for less than Jita market value, but to each his own :-) |
Kardek Stormlord
The Fallen Legion
1
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Posted - 2013.06.09 00:52:00 -
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Looks like the bots were all patched in the last 24-36 hrs.
I was pretty amazed at how many miners dropped off but bang the waves of solo retrievers are back lol |
Dave Stark
3125
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:56:00 -
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of course the bots were fixed instantly. any one who thought warping to something on the scanner menu rather than a bookmark would break all the bots was deluded. "oh noes, we have to open a different menu to warp to an ice belt, bots will never be able to do that" |
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Mystic Innovations
3
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:28:00 -
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If they were trying to remove botting and 50 ship mining fleets, epic fail. All they really managed to accomplish is to hurt the small, casual ice mining corp. Botting is back from what I am seeing. They will now mine a bigger percentage of available ice and sell it for higher profits as the ice price rises. Win win for botters!
For me personally I could really care less about ice mining. However I did do a little afk ice mining while watching a ballgame or something, but now I just log off.
Instead of teasing high sec miners with 30 minutes ice belts, I think they should have moved all the ice to low & null like was planned. They could also ban the use of multibox programs and stop the 50 ship mining fleets. Why not offer a reward to increase reporting suspected botters? For every confirmed botter, maybe CCP could pay out 100, 200, 500 million isk? Offering rewards, along with CCP fighting botting programs may be a better alternative. The best anti-botting tool CCP has is other players, so empower them to help you fight illegal activities. If a program like that already exists, I'm sorry I've never heard about it. I believe there were better ways to change ice mining and have a better system than is currently running.
I think the idea was to screw afk playing, mostly mining. However, can someone tell me the difference between afk mining and afk freighter flying. After all afk is afk. I would suggest on the next expansion CCP remove the autopilot button, since I bet there are many more player flying afk around Eve than mining afk. |
Dave Stark
3128
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:41:00 -
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Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:Win win for botters!
botters don't win anything. the fact that instead of 23/7 mining they've now got like what, 4 hours worth of ice available to them every day means they're facing reduced profits too. |
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Mystic Innovations
3
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:01:00 -
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I disagree slightly. Before a filled ore bay on a retriever would be 28 icicles with a belt of unlimited supply, at least where I am, so they were mining a very small % of total ice available. Now, if they are able to get to a site on re-spawn and mine the same 28 icicles, it's a much greater % of available ice. I believe the new sites have 2500 icicles? Ice mining will be divided between a much smaller pool of miners and depending on how they want to play the game, I can easily see a serious supply problem coming 6 months from now. You are right, the botters profits will suffer like the rest of the ice miners, but if they play the game right and stockpile they will win over time compared to normal, active miners because of the limited supply in the new ice belts. |
Dave Stark
3133
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:08:00 -
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what? nothing in that situation favours botters at all. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
668
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:14:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:I think this shows that 4 hrs is just too big of a gap. I'd like to see it cut down to every 2 hrs and just cut the amount that spawns in half. This would really work against those big groups more.
No, it wouldn't, because those big groups would show up anyway and strip the ice away in even less time than they already do.
Onoes, pilots need to think outside the box on this one.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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