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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2431
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:20:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:So there is a thread about this here. Silly me posted in the information portal dev blog thread where it has been ignored for weeks...
I filed a bug report a while back, because when you set the delay to zero, as I would like to do, you cannot switch active targets anymore. Clicking on a locked target will open the radial menu instantly, but not make the target active. The practical implication of course is that you just cannot set the delay to zero because the game becomes unplayable.
Any news on that? The radial menu is great, but if I have to set a delay it loses much of its usefulness. Its strength is that it makes UI interactions much quicker... but not when I have to wait a second every time I want to issue a command.
edit: Btw bug report ID is 162091 ugh you! What do you expect when you have the delay 0 on the main button!
When we added the delay + button mapping we wanted to have 0 delay an option because it would can be very handy when you have the radial menu mapped to some other button. I just knew someone would come along and set the delay to 0 and have the radial menu mapped to the left button and then complain that clicking didn't work. My response was going to be "ok, then don't do that" (it would have been messy to disable 0 for only left button, and I figured people would just self correct and not select 0 ).
Anyways... I saw the bugreport and thought "ugh, here we go: then don't do th... weeeeell, I guess I could fix it... but still, you shouldn't do that!".
Long story short: I just made a change yesterday so if you click something, and you release the mouse within a "reasonable clicking time" (not holding down) AND your mouse hasn't moved since we started trying to open the radial menu, the click will register and you can switch targets . It would be great if you could check it out when it hits Singularity... I had no problems clicking, but maybe I'm just very good at mouse and keep very still when I click
Of course the radial menu will start to open up and you see it, but that's only to be expected... the delay is set to be 0 after all (sadly I can't read minds )
(btw, I don't see how you can ever drag something with those settings though, and I don't have a good solution for magically knowing if you want to be dragging or using the radial menu ... this will probably become a bigger issue after our point release) CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2431
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:28:00 -
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Hey all,
I just returned from vacation and while I was away I was happily ignoring you
We have made a bunch of changes, but sadly for me, my memory is so bad that I don't remember so well what we have already released in a patch and what we will release later in a point release (vacations are great!).
So, I'll have some more replies and update for you soon, just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten about you, I was just ignoring you
And again, thank you for your feedback! CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
441
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:41:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Hey all, I just returned from vacation and while I was away I was happily ignoring you We have made a bunch of changes, but sadly for me, my memory is so bad that I don't remember so well what we have already released in a patch and what we will release later in a point release (vacations are great!). So, I'll have some more replies and update for you soon, just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten about you, I was just ignoring you And again, thank you for your feedback!
Were used to it by know just look at the Command ship thread :) Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Auferre
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:46:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:So, I'll have some more replies and update for you soon, just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten about you, I was just ignoring you And again, thank you for your feedback!
We're shocked and horrified that you went off and had a good time without us. Shocked, I tell you!
Any vacation where you forget everything about work must have been good.
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Orakkus
Winds of Dawn Kraken.
112
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:59:00 -
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Auferre wrote:We're shocked and horrified that you went off and had a good time without us. Shocked, I tell you! Any vacation where you forget everything about work must have been good.
No kidding! She better ante up and tell us what she did.. cuz I dunno about you, but I would LOVE a vacation where I forgot everything about work.. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2433
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:28:00 -
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Forlorn Wongraven wrote:I like the looks of the radial menu, however it is way too slow and not intuitive. I never used it again after briefly testing it. Sorry Karkur! np... if it's your choice not to use it, so be it But I hope you have given it a try after it hit TQ... if the testing you did was early on Sisi then I can well understand why you think it was slow and you should give it another try CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2433
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:30:00 -
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Pure Ebil wrote:CCP karkur wrote:Albert Spear wrote:" Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it"
Ok - dumb newbie question - on the Macintosh, clicking on an object brings up the radial menu, no hot key required, it just pops - where are the instructions on how to map it to something else?
Sorry ask a noob question here.
It is driving me nuts because I can't do a lot of things I used to be able to do because the radial menu pops immediately. If you open the ESC menu, there are options there to bind the Radial Menu to a different key and also to change the delay. Please let me know if that doesn't do the trick, i'm curious if the delay works somehow differently on Macs. Speaking of this reminded me of one time where I attempted to use the radial menu to warp my pod out after losing a ship in fw, I activated the radial menu either two or three times attempting to warp to a random celestial before I was pointed & podded. Is there some sort of delay on the mac after your ship goes up in smoke before the radial menu works or did I just mess up under the pressure & fail to get out though being in a bit of a panic. Something which I know caused me to lose my only other pod (clicking frantically on the warp to icon in the selected item until I hid the window). Just to clarify I'm not looking for any reimbursement, all that I lost was pride xD Edit : Also, the radial menu is awesome & I love how fluid it has made the game feel. Hmmm, I'm not sure... sometimes macs do weird things
CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2433
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:31:00 -
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Trytan Blychllad wrote:My biggest gripe about the radial menu is where and where not it is used. info icons | no, right click, click what tab I want, right click another info icon (just clunky) could you help me out with explaining what you mean by "info icons"? CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
636
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:41:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Trytan Blychllad wrote:My biggest gripe about the radial menu is where and where not it is used. info icons | no, right click, click what tab I want, right click another info icon (just clunky) could you help me out with explaining what you mean by "info icons"?
info icon the blue I symbol that pulls up the info screen.
The worse offender is the route info boxes left clicking the first box pulls up the info screen while right clicking pulls up the menu and the first option is warp to that gate. There is no consistency. |
Garth Dideus Badasaz
Andersen and Phelps Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:19:00 -
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Indalecia wrote:One very annoying thing is that when the radial menu opens by mistake, it doesn't close itself when you move the mouse far away from it, which is very annoying. As far as I know the only way to close it without doing an action is to hit the escape key, which is odd for a mouse gesture.
EDIT: also, when you do use the action from the radial menu, the pointer warps back to the center of the button you clicked (even when it was not on it), which is counter-intuitive and intrusive in my opinion.
You only need to move the mouse pointer back to the center of the menu and let go of the left mouse button and it will go away, you just have to make sure one of the tiles isn't highlighted when dragging outward. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2433
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:25:00 -
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Garth Dideus Badasaz wrote:Indalecia wrote:One very annoying thing is that when the radial menu opens by mistake, it doesn't close itself when you move the mouse far away from it, which is very annoying. As far as I know the only way to close it without doing an action is to hit the escape key, which is odd for a mouse gesture.
EDIT: also, when you do use the action from the radial menu, the pointer warps back to the center of the button you clicked (even when it was not on it), which is counter-intuitive and intrusive in my opinion. You only need to move the mouse pointer back to the center of the menu and let go of the left mouse button and it will go away, you just have to make sure one of the tiles isn't highlighted when dragging outward. I think the best way to do it is just right click, and that will kill it (and since this is an old quote, it has some things that have now been changed ) CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
2107
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:31:00 -
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It sure would be nice if "open fleet hangar" were part of the radial menu. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Sante Ixnay
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:26:00 -
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I'm liking the new radial menu a lot, and am using it more and more as time goes by. Very nice work.
I'd be worried about getting my game forum posting privileges revoked though if I didn't include at least a small whine. So...
Gesture up on a station = dock. Gesture up on a gate = jump. Gesture up on a planet = WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH MY UI, PLANETARY INTERACTION IS WHAT EXACTLY???? O MY POOR POOR POD WITH ITS PRECIOUS 6% AUTOCANNON CAPACITOR USE IMPLANTS WOE IS ME!!
I understand why you didn't make gesture up "Warp To" as that as it'd be inconsistent with the other celestials. However, it still seems an odd place to put a relatively specialized thing like Planet View, -particularly- since the icon looks like some sort of "move to" action.
So my suggestion would be either to move Planet View--straight down (targeting) or the secondary menu seem like reasonable options--or to change the icon. Or both.
Thanks for listening. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
169
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:47:00 -
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have literally never used it |
Calzan
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:13:00 -
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Great stuff, I use it all the time.
I'd like clicking my capacitor to prompt radial menu for ship related things (bookmark this spot, ship speed (0% > 100%), that sort of thing.
Click and Drag to set distance works great, I'd like the ceiling of that feature to be higher, much higher - say 200k for orbit and 'keep at'; for 'warp to' I'd like the max to be 100k. |
Keldor Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 22:16:00 -
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On my orca I want "open fleet hangar" to be in the radial menu. |
Isaak Artorius
7
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Posted - 2013.08.10 03:53:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Hi all, I hope we are all liking Odyssey and all it brings, and of course that we are all using the new Radial Menu I wanted to check in with you guys, and see if how it was treating you and if you have any comments on the actions we have in it. - Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?
- Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?
- Do you feel any objects are missing very commonly used actions (either as primary action, or in second layer).
We have put a lot of thought into the Radial Menu actions and are fairly happy with it as it is today. We do recognized that we might have missed some actions and would like to hear your thoughts, and then evaluate if we should make some minor changes Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it
I love the new radial menu. Using it more and more since the changes. The only annoying thing I noticed is that when drag/drop (sorting) locked targets I don't want the radial menu to pop up. Any way of mitigating that. I use the radial menu more in the overview than any thing else.
Blah, blah, blah, I'm super horny. I love EVE and monkeys. |
Oreb Wing
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:58:00 -
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I use a lot of the custom A S D and F keys and bind my Scanner to Alt+D. The radial menu works great, only with that some of the buttons when you click on yourself could be different. For instance, instead of having a warp to or keep range button for myself, maybe it could be open hanger. If the system opened up a special menu for different things, then people trying to access a POS or POCO or Orca, could all get what they want. And a Titan could screw up jumps in many different ways. :) If the there was a center button that refreshed D-scan, that would be awesome as well, because anyone that spams that won't hurt anything if they did it unintentionally, and you could virtually have instant access to new information even as you manually pilot. Adding people to fleet from the overview, or to the watchlist, would be the next best thing. Center D-scan refresh button, please!! Otherwise it's just wasted space. Thank you for listening. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:06:00 -
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Keep at range for more than 30 kms. Please. G££ <= Me |
Rain6638
Team Evil
578
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:56:00 -
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wow how did I miss this.
action mapping:
if it has a right-click menu item, allow me to assign it a hotkey
I submitted this as an item in the reasonable things topic, #1099
would be greatly appreciated o7 [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3597
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Posted - 2013.08.11 21:02:00 -
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I'd like a radial menu for bookmarks ... :/ |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
188
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:57:00 -
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Please get rid off this radial menu and focus on something else.
Its like you got 2 shittys UIs in the same game instead of 1 good.
This radial menu doesnt bring anything.
Check Drone UI for instance, this needs a lot of work. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
2436
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:13:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I'd like a radial menu for bookmarks ... :/ Funny thing you mention that....link to a thread where I say what stuff we are doing for Odyssey 1.1. CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:48:00 -
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Allow to switch it off please. |
MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:06:00 -
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Ubat Batuk wrote:Allow to switch it off please. At least, yeah.
As tu use it, to get rid off it, its counter intuitive. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
568
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:09:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Please get rid off this radial menu and focus on something else.
Its like you got 2 shittys UIs in the same game instead of 1 good.
This radial menu doesnt bring anything on the contrary, it brings more "wtf, i didnt want this thing when clicking here and it keeps showing up, how do i get rid of that". Speak for yourself, many people like it.
Also it shows your lack of skill in even operating the game that apparently you never found the option where you can set a really long delay for the radial menu... so long that it's basically the same as switching it off. . |
Jumpshot244
EntroPrelatial Industria Here Be Dragons
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:44:00 -
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Just a thought
1. Take an hour off of work on the radial menu 2. Add a "Launch Drones" shortcut 3. ? 4. Profit 5. Go back to work on radial menu |
Ikech
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 23:51:00 -
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Would be cool if we could fleet warp using the radial menu!
Also would be epic if we could use the radial menu on watch list/fleet window for warping to squaddies!
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Nik Succorso
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1
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Posted - 2013.08.13 23:59:00 -
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For us wh POS dwellers, having a radial menu option to open the ship maintenance array or corp hangar array would be a nice default action. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:57:00 -
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Jumpshot244 wrote:Just a thought
1. Take an hour off of work on the radial menu 2. Add a "Launch Drones" shortcut 3. ? 4. Profit 5. Go back to work on radial menu
THIS!
Make it work on the "groups" of drones. It should have:
* Launch * Recall * Orbit Me * Engage -> submenu target's name and ship type * Guard -> submenu fleet memeber's name * Assist -> submenu fleet member's name * Approach (for when you want to pick up your sentries)
If you do this I will finally start using the radial menu
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