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Kirjava
Otella Redevelopment Agency
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:25:00 -
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Article here. : Guardian Slashdot.
New York Times.
Hasn't hit the BBC or telegraph yet All I can say is if this is correct, they holy ****.
This is the same paper that caught the Verizon connection yesterday, is this hitting the news in the states yet?
UPDATE : Article came up in the NYT.
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Jada Maroo
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
1124
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:02:00 -
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It's hitting, yes, but much of the US media has their tongues so far up Barack's butt they taste his food before he does. |
Rotten Tuna
VSP Corp.
258
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:04:00 -
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This kind of stuff has been going on for years. Why anyone is so surprised is beyond me. |
Kirjava
Otella Redevelopment Agency
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:05:00 -
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Surely Fox News must be loving this, no disrespect to Vile Rat but isn't this a bigger, actual scandal to sink their teeth into?
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:29:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Surely Fox News must be loving this, no disrespect to Vile Rat but isn't this a bigger, actual scandal to sink their teeth into?
Also Tentacles like a boss! Well FoxNews is quoting the New York Times. So watch out for flying pigs and falling pig poop.
Oh wait, Fox is trying to whitewash the Bush Patriot Act, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/06/author-patriot-act-says-phone-records-collection-excessive/, by saying the bill's sponsors didn't mean for it to go that far. FFS, the NSA had wiretap rooms running directly in telephone company facilities immediately after the Patriot Act passed.
/facepalm
And more fuel for the fire, the NSA is building a $860 million data center in Maryland. 600k square feet, 60 megawatts of power. In addition to the 1.5 billion dollar one in Utah.
I wonder what we're building in conjunction with our overseas allies?
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
576
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:32:00 -
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We always knew this was going on anyway. We miss you Saede. In-depth guide on how to safely mine in High Sec |
Rotten Tuna
VSP Corp.
259
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:42:00 -
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Remember Carnivore and Narus? |
Kirjava
Otella Redevelopment Agency
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:48:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:
I wonder what we're building in conjunction with our overseas allies?
Apparently its rated Top Secret, no foreign governments allied or otherwise told or informed about it.
And its targeted at foreign entities, European press will be waking up to this soon and will have a field day about American paranoia. It's crossing a line if this includes data from nominal allies, though on the plus side it will drive traffic to domestic search engines.
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Aragoni
Aliastra Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2013.06.07 06:56:00 -
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"America, the land of the free hurr durr". |
Kirjava
Otella Redevelopment Agency
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Posted - 2013.06.07 07:21:00 -
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Daily Telegraph
Apparently this also includes non US subsidiaries, and the ICO are going to be investigating this.
This is going to be fun.
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Marcus Gord
Akva Vit
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Posted - 2013.06.07 08:21:00 -
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somehow i'm not surprised. You can't take the sky from me
"When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl - when you can't do that..." |
Jada Maroo
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:34:00 -
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James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, just released a letter copping to and essentially declassifying the program.
No worries though -- he says there's a secret court that protects us and we can trust the government not to abuse the power.
And he said the whistleblower is a real douchebag for telling us.
Phew!
I feel better now.
SCANDAL. OVER. |
Marcus Gord
Akva Vit
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:37:00 -
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You can't take the sky from me
"When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl - when you can't do that..." |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:38:00 -
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Wow, MSNBC are badmouthing Obama.
Ain't it cute it happened right as John Oliver took over the Daily Show
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Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:06:00 -
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Enjoying your free gmail accounts boys and girls? |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:10:00 -
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Othran wrote:Enjoying your free gmail accounts boys and girls? Bought my first Android phone 2 days ago.
*Facepalm*
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Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:17:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Othran wrote:Enjoying your free gmail accounts boys and girls? Bought my first Android phone 2 days ago. *Facepalm*
At least you're not an iTard who paid through the nose to get snooped on |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:20:00 -
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Othran wrote:Kirjava wrote:Othran wrote:Enjoying your free gmail accounts boys and girls? Bought my first Android phone 2 days ago. *Facepalm* At least you're not an iTard who paid through the nose to get snooped on I was tempted to get an iPhone, see what the fuss was about, was upgrading from my Samsung Omnia 7, Windows 7 phone. Honestly after messing around with Android for a few days I think I prefer the Windows Phone as an interface, I kid you not.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:27:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Wow, MSNBC are badmouthing Obama. Ain't it cute it happened right as John Oliver took over the Daily Show This isn't about Obama (or Bush.) It's that the snooping is now (or very close to being) systemic, ingrained, budgeted, and otherwise now part of the "system." Will the next president or next congress be able to undo the damage? Doubtful.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:40:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, just released a letter copping to and essentially declassifying the program.
No worries though -- he says there's a secret court that protects us and we can trust the government not to abuse the power.
And he said the whistleblower is a real douchebag for telling us.
Phew!
I feel better now.
SCANDAL. OVER.
I just have to say that governments were initially created as the common man can not be trusted either. Just saying. The problems we have with government are just large and obvious examples of the inherent flaws of the human condition. |
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Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:44:00 -
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Well it appears that they've admitted PRISM exists - Google et al are still claiming ignorance, but its clearly bullshit from them.
So all that means is that if you live outside the USA then don't use the services as the NSA is legally monitoring you.
Can't see anyone wearing google glass being very welcome anywhere........ |
stoicfaux
2800
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:45:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, just released a letter copping to and essentially declassifying the program.
No worries though -- he says there's a secret court that protects us and we can trust the government not to abuse the power.
And he said the whistleblower is a real douchebag for telling us.
Phew!
I feel better now.
SCANDAL. OVER. I just have to say that governments were initially created as the common man can not be trusted either. Just saying. The problems we have with government are just large and obvious examples of the inherent flaws of the human condition. Yes, but in a capitalistic, democratic society *everyone* shares in the corruption. That equality of opportunity is at risk with so much information/power being concentrated in the hands of a few. (Much more so than usual.)
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:48:00 -
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Othran wrote:Well it appears that they've admitted PRISM exists - Google et al are still claiming ignorance, but its clearly bullshit from them.
So all that means is that if you live outside the USA then don't use the services as the NSA is legally monitoring you.
Can't see anyone wearing google glass being very welcome anywhere........
Legal my ******* arse, I don't recall Parliament passing a bill legalising it.
I hope that the investigations over here close down the subsidiaries of corporations in the UK taking part in such actions, or a forceful demerger. It's highly illegal, might even be treasonous to do this under the law.
For the record I am quite miffed at this, and the above is my impulsive reaction.
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Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:03:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Othran wrote:Well it appears that they've admitted PRISM exists - Google et al are still claiming ignorance, but its clearly bullshit from them.
So all that means is that if you live outside the USA then don't use the services as the NSA is legally monitoring you.
Can't see anyone wearing google glass being very welcome anywhere........ Legal my ******* arse, I don't recall Parliament passing a bill legalising it. I hope that the investigations over here close down the subsidiaries of corporations in the UK taking part in such actions, or a forceful demerger. It's highly illegal, might even be treasonous to do this under the law. For the record I am quite miffed at this, and the above is my impulsive reaction.
You misunderstand. I mean its legal in the USA for the NSA to run PRISM against foreigners and foreign communications.
Frankly the idea that any US company gives a **** about local laws in foreign countries is laughable. Once upon a time maybe but not anytime recently. US law is the be-all and end-all because they are US companies and the govt will shut them down for non-compliance.
There's a fairly easy answer - don't use those companies for any sensitive comms unless you are :
a) a citizen of the USA; b) living in the USA; c) aren't communicating with services/people outside the USA.
Its hardly a surprise TBH, the only surprise is that the document leaked so rapidly after the journalist wiretapping scandal. Someone is going to jail for the rest of their natural life if the US govt finds out who leaked it.
/me shrugs |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:15:00 -
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Well, the Telegraph identified Verizon's subsidiary in the UK of being a part of this.
If there is one thing the EU takes seriously, it's consumer rights and protection.
It's a rock and a hard place with for these corporations, if they want to trade inside the EU they need to do one thing, and trade in then US another thing entirely.
The surprise to me is that they are manipulating the IP connections at a top level to make additional communications route through the USA. An internal traffic from say London to Paris might "accidentally" get routed via the USA to get there, and hence monitored.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:45:00 -
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I always knew there was a reason I have stuck with Old-Skool Clamshell DumbPhones this entire time.
At least they don't know it ALL. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.08 10:38:00 -
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It continues, Google's response details that they never heard of it, and leaves open the possibility the NSA went over the legal departments heads to directly tap in if they did.
Broadly similar responses from Microsoft and Apple.
Interestingly a fair few of the more left leaning Youtube channels I have subscribed to have done a 180 turn and called for Obama to be impeached over this.
Its a spot tricky to see what's going on given its through the internet, the bit effected by all of this that I am most likely to encounter a more biased opinion towards an anti covert program.
GCHQ involvement is headline news in the Guardian, as it seems that Prism could be a collaborative project as opposed to being a purely American one. That, or the NSA was operating in the UK without the knowledge of the Foreign office.
The saga continues.... Anything interesting on the American side or continental Europe?
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards
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Posted - 2013.06.08 10:55:00 -
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It's like that show Person of Interest (lite). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
904
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:23:00 -
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in this thread: it's proved that mankind can't be trusted at all. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:07:00 -
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Aragoni wrote:"America, the land of the free hurr durr".
our amerifriends are still free to think... as long as they keep it for themselves. |
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