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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:31:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:I know I have been monitored. And I am pretty sure I am on a 'list'. I have been pulled to the side, frisked, searched, and hassled every time I have flown since well before 911. I will say since about 1998. Interesting as that is about the time I used the internet to look up the Anarchist's Cookbook. Dooh!
Back in the '90s, when the Internets were young and I was more naive, I ordered that particular book from Amazon (out of simple and genuine curiosity), as well as a whole lot - and I mean a whole lot - of books on the subject of caring and growing a certain type of plant whose flowers can be dried up and smoked (as a hobby and for personal use only, I make a living otherwise).
I wonder what sort of lists my name ended up on Anyways, it's a good thing I haven't been to the US since a long time ago, and currently have no plans of going back. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
20051
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:37:00 -
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Seems Prism might have used a logo taken by the father of a Register contributor
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
216
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:51:00 -
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Kirjava wrote: Seems the public mood is now towards backing strong data protection acts in Europe. The result would effectively be companies working in the US forced to hand over data to the NSA, and be denied access to the EU. Or vice versa, support privacy and be denied access to the US market.
In most countries there are already laws that forbid the export of certain personal data for example for state administration. I can imagine this new "official" insights into the practices of certain agencies in the US will be a pretty good argument against software and services from the US. Local manufactures may profit from this.
Ok, that was just me dreaming about how they finally outlaw microsoft windows... |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1519
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:25:00 -
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"nobody cares about your business."
maybe that's what bothers some people. Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
20066
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:36:00 -
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Perhaps, but perhaps I also consider the potential corporate espionage effects on my portfolios future value. My BAE stock for instance would hardly perform well if Lockheed were tipped off as to their intents in SA for instance. This isn't only restricted to what someone does on the internet for kitten pictures.
The level of importance of an individual is hardly got any bearings on it, not everyone in power was in power or predictably on track for it from birth. By having a historical comprehensive database such as this any influential individual in future will have their data recorded from the beginning to the end, and apparently with no oversight beyond a rubber stamp secret judicial body.
What exactly is the intent of the NSA towards the rest of the world?
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:37:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:"nobody cares about your business."
Until they do: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1519
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Posted - 2013.06.13 03:06:00 -
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nvm. they care about fb. Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
20695
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Posted - 2013.06.14 09:50:00 -
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Recommend watching Question time this week, my home city its based out of this week.
General consensus from the audience and the non governmental parties was to either force American compliance with EU law or build a separate infrastructure.
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Commissar Akiga
Aerodyne Collective. WHY so Seri0Us
16
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:11:00 -
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Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I have nothing to hide from an algorithm sifting through billions of requests a day, that or a man with no name.
The problem is do you trust who has that information? Most of the US don't because they're paranoid about the government kicking their doors down, flashbangs through the windows and hauling them off to Gitmo... But I guess fear sells, right? A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
296
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:58:00 -
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I'm just going to leave this here.
As an afterthought, sometimes people in very important positions make perplexing decisions. Now seems as good a time as any to don the tinfoil hat and wonder if this type of mass surveillance has ever been used to persuade powerful people to go along with bad ideas.
In the end, many people may not feel threatened by having their private conversations and messages archived. Indeed, so many of us just blatantly tell the world freely our every waking thought or the exact moment we are steaming up the bathroom walls or so many other seemingly meaningless things, it's like they welcome 1984 with open arms.
Perhaps they feel comfortable in the knowledge that this is a free and democratic society with rights afforded to them by the constitution, and they may change their minds if they felt their government was actively trying to undermine those very rights or if they felt the two party system offered only a mere illusion of choice. Is that where the United States of America is headed? I have my opinion, you have yours...they may differ or we may agree, but one thing is obvious: If indeed our governments intentions are malicious, the transformation will be covert, we may not even know we've become a captive society until it's too late. |
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Rain6636
Team Evil
551
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:08:00 -
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this made me laugh
BREAKING NEWS: United States military support for Syrian rebels will include small arms, ammunition and possibly anti-tank weapons, according to two officials familiar with the matter. The weapons will be provided by the CIA, the officials said. http://on.cnn.com/QZYZDc
cuz what, DHL is off for the weekend? Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
21236
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:17:00 -
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I remember this story, the snappy young rebels are armed by the CIA to fight their oppressors. They then win the war with American help and stew for a while before attacking those that provided for them before.
This will not end well....
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Rain6636
Team Evil
552
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:23:00 -
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end? Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.06.15 04:55:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:I remember this story, the snappy young rebels are armed by the CIA to fight their oppressors. They then win the war with American help and stew for a while before attacking those that provided for them before.
This will not end well....
Creating new monsters is good for business if your business is scaring the hell out of your population and convincing them to ante up even more of their rapidly diminished freedom to your command and control.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. |
Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
22
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Posted - 2013.06.16 12:28:00 -
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I wonder why no one posted that yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9SprG3Nvg&t=1m10s |
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
42
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:49:00 -
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Guardian-Live chat with Snowden just ended:
"Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance."
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:53:00 -
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Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
"Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance."
I think it's too bad they still cling to the notion that congressional oversight or court approval would make all this OK. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
510
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:18:00 -
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haha yeah, but it'll be ok cuz they know about it ...now. right? amirite? Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? | Guess a number, win a Thanatos |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
21456
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:41:00 -
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Don't worry, turns out we've been spying on Americans as they are foreign to us
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
608
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:18:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote: Now seems as good a time as any to don the tinfoil hat and wonder if this type of mass surveillance has ever been used to persuade powerful people to go along with bad ideas.
Machiavelli outlined this centuries ago in his letter to a close friends son in the text The Prince. |
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1139
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:42:00 -
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I find it sad and slightly amusing that Americans outrage at certain things, and then just end up shrugging it off saying "hey they've done worse" or "this has been going on for year now its official so what"
being stripped of all of your privacy slowly but surly for the past 100 years, seems ot have gone a bit nuts in the past 10 years thanks to evil computers and dah internetz Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Whang'Lo
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:02:00 -
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What I find silly about all this big brother crap is they try to make it sound like they are somehow gonna stop/hinder/catch people doing something with all this ease dropping non-sense. I'm pretty skeptical that they can in any significant way catch people of even a moderate intelligence with some kind of clandestine ease dropping technology. Seriously there are people in jail running criminal enterprises, happens all the time.
What should be done is a blind case study.
You take 1000 random people. They are allowed 1 face to face meeting to coordinate. 500 of them are fakes who do nothing and the other 500 will try to get messages to each other, over distance.
I would guarantee they could communicate effectively and you wouldn't have the foggiest idea what the hell they were talking about if they really tried. http://www.quoteclouds.net |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
617
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:25:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:I find it sad and slightly amusing that Americans outrage at certain things, and then just end up shrugging it off saying "hey they've done worse" or "this has been going on for year now its official so what"
being stripped of all of your privacy slowly but surly for the past 100 years, seems ot have gone a bit nuts in the past 10 years thanks to evil computers and dah internetz
I am not sure where you get this. Most of the outrage is about the guy leaking the facts that show that the US does use espionage to get things done, not that the US actually utilizes espionage.
What you see in this thread is that many are debating if it is feasible to stop it.... which it is not because it is part of the system no matter the government which is in question. |
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
49
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:24:00 -
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Contrary to some other nations, the wikings seems to have big b***s : Icelandic businessman says plane ready to take Snowden to Iceland . 0ccupational Hazzard --> check out the true love story-á |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
22042
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:35:00 -
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So it turns out someone accused of a bank robbery in the US has requested the NSA logs of his phone to prove he wasn't there.
Well damn the Pandora's box has been opened
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