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xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:29:00 -
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So that's 3 times I have logged on this week to find no ice in my system in empire with nothing to do i just logged off...
How many canceled accounts will this change cause CCP start being realistic so you aren't surprised in July by how many you lost with this terrible change.
In the future ADD content don't CHANGE content and call it an EXPANSION
Every year now i cringe at expansion time knowing you will screw something else up you know i would be nirvana if you fired everyone at ccp and stop doing them
before you fire everyone please have fan fair with a dunking booth of previously employed ccp devs i would pay money for that
Just saying if i trained up a hulk or 5 and i logged in and there is nothing to do i am not going to stay logged in and pick my ass i am going to go play another game and stop paying you. you should realize this and stop being so naive
maybe failure is in you business model ? don't know |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:38:00 -
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So you're mad that your bacon is not instant anymore? Or are you mad that they changed the way you do things?
CCP have added content, quite a lot of it in fact, but judging by your post you seem somewhat aggrieved by the fact that you cannot log in, set your ship and afk whatever.
Why not go after roids? Diversify my man! Try something different.
If you cringe every time they do an expansion, why are you here? Clearly it doesn't sound like you enjoy the game. |
Aliventi
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:39:00 -
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Working as intended. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:41:00 -
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Personally, I don't blame CCP for the concept, ice mining did need a change (even the ice miners could agree on that).
How it was executed, while meanwhile accepting IsBox, is a problem. This change hurts the players who actually play the game, not just bots.
Ice mining is also mining not something new players engage in (takes time to skill for it), and the idea that it's even in high sec due to it is puzzling (want players in low/null, the stuff goes into low/null deal). High sec as CCP thinks of it is a newbie land, and should support those activities -- while keeping the higher SP players out of the zone (so newbies can actually have sites to learn such activities not have them disappear because some 100mil SP toon can swallow it faster for easy ISK.
The activity of mining itself could be changed to a mini-game that can't be botted (much like EQII's tradeskill minigame) is an alternative, as anyone actively doing these mundane chores aren't punished, but bots are. Can return back to big ice fields again even. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:42:00 -
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cool story bro ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Felicia Tennyson
Tennyson Court
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:44:00 -
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no ice for u, more ice for me |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:45:00 -
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Hulk was a bad example, they gimped that long ago as an Ice miner. 3 Ice miners, 3 cycles is 9K Ice and they made the Ore bay 8.5 and I'm wagering it was done on purpose.
Nobody logs in to mine Ice, that was the problem. It was being done 23/7 by macro miners. Ice needs to be at 400K to compete with Ore, exception being if you are mining it 23/7. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1073
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:47:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote: This change hurts the players who actually play the game, .
really because the system actually helps people who play the game.
protip try being social. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:48:00 -
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I did see someone with a legitimate gripe;
Only being able to play at specific hours - logging in to find that the ice belts had spawned and been mined out, and won't regenerate until after you have to logout.
That just sucks, if it's true. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:51:00 -
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Yeah it's really enjoyable to sit around for hours waiting for a spawn then get maybe 30 minutes to mine until the next round of 3 or 4 hours for the next spawn. It's pretty much 30 or 40 people jump on an ice spawn and clear it within half an hour in my home system. Seriously, eve has become more and more of spending hours doing nothing to get a few minutes of doing something then rinse/repeat for the last year or two. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
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Haulie Berry
977
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:53:00 -
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Quote:So that's 3 times I have logged on this week to find no ice in my system in empire with nothing to do i just logged off...
Have you considered, I dunno...
...trying a different system? |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:55:00 -
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@ Barakkus
I have to respectfully disagree with that.
EvE seems to be targeting more "active" players. Not those that afk everything and farm. The more active you are, the more content seems to be available and rewarding for you.
Even if you have a few hours, you can run plexes or piracy, level 4s or 5s. There is a lot of active content. CCP seems to be pushing hard to get away from people that afk. How many people that actually play and participate actively have you seen whine? I count very few.
All i read about are miners that used to afk that cannot do it now and are angry. If this helps against botting and rewards players that actually play, then i'm all for it. |
Capt Starfox
The Carnifex Corp
426
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:57:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:
Have you considered, I dunno...
...trying a different system?
This. One of the points is that you have to look around, not sit comfortably forever in one system. Do some research and find out where there's another system that spawns ice belts near you. The empirical probability of your ship being ganked is... good. |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:01:00 -
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Pepper Solette wrote:@ Barakkus
I have to respectfully disagree with that.
EvE seems to be targeting more "active" players. Not those that afk everything and farm. The more active you are, the more content seems to be available and rewarding for you.
Even if you have a few hours, you can run plexes or piracy, level 4s or 5s. There is a lot of active content. CCP seems to be pushing hard to get away from people that afk. How many people that actually play and participate actively have you seen whine? I count very few.
All i read about are miners that used to afk that cannot do it now and are angry. If this helps against botting and rewards players that actually play, then i'm all for it.
No, I completely disagree. I've pretty much just decided this is skill training online for me at this point because I got tired of sitting around for 5 hours, jumping systems looking for fights with friends to get maybe 1 or 2 good fights that last like 1-2 minutes. There's no fun in pvp, I don't like blob warfare, and I don't want to do FW b/c I like being able to travel through all the empires without being shot. I have no interest in null...and I have no interest in living in LS exclusively, it's a wasteland anyways. Either you run into a giant blob, or everyone runs if they don't severely outnumber you anymore. Most of the changes CCP has made over the last year and a half have really killed it for the casual player and small gang pvp. This is even more of a **** you to the casual player who can't devote their entire life to playing EVE. At least I could afford to fuel a tower with passively mining when I needed to, hell I didn't even make any money off it...(or my tower)... http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Haulie Berry
977
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:01:00 -
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Also, this is pretty much why many players have traditionally considered ice miners to be fairly detestable.
Your complaint is basically that, instead of sitting in an ice belt afk, you might have to actually... interact with the game. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
349
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:04:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:So that's 3 times I have logged on this week to find no ice in my system in empire with nothing to do i just logged off... How many canceled accounts will this change cause CCP start being realistic so you aren't surprised in July by how many you lost with this terrible change. In the future ADD content don't CHANGE content and call it an EXPANSION Every year now i cringe at expansion time knowing you will screw something else up you know i would be nirvana if you fired everyone at ccp and stop doing them before you fire everyone please have fan fair with a dunking booth of previously employed ccp devs i would pay money for that Just saying if i trained up a hulk or 5 and i logged in and there is nothing to do i am not going to stay logged in and pick my ass i am going to go play another game and stop paying you. you should realize this and stop being so naive maybe failure is in you business model ? don't know
Warp to another system... Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1499
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:05:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Yeah it's really enjoyable to sit around for hours waiting for a spawn then get maybe 30 minutes to mine until the next round of 3 or 4 hours for the next spawn. It's pretty much 30 or 40 people jump on an ice spawn and clear it within half an hour in my home system. Seriously, eve has become more and more of spending hours doing nothing to get a few minutes of doing something then rinse/repeat for the last year or two.
2500 blocks at around 1 minute per block ( Skiff pulls it down in 55 seconds, without maxed skills. A hulk would take three times as long, but get 3 blocks. You can get it a bit faster, but I doubt you can get it to 30 seconds a block, which is what you'd need for the numbers you just quoted.)
That's 2500 man/minutes.
Or around an hour for 40 people to clear, ignoring the time to dump ore in the station.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Felicia Tennyson
Tennyson Court
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:06:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Quote:So that's 3 times I have logged on this week to find no ice in my system in empire with nothing to do i just logged off... Have you considered, I dunno... ...trying a different system?
It's more like...
Have you considered, I dunno... ...trying to do something else?
I mean, with so much things to do in Eve, and ppl complain about quitting because they cannot achieve anything full/semi-afk now? Seriously, I don't think the market is going to crash with all afk miners gone right? Eve's a healthier game ever without afk players who ruin the market and effort of the active playing players. |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:09:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Barakkus wrote:Yeah it's really enjoyable to sit around for hours waiting for a spawn then get maybe 30 minutes to mine until the next round of 3 or 4 hours for the next spawn. It's pretty much 30 or 40 people jump on an ice spawn and clear it within half an hour in my home system. Seriously, eve has become more and more of spending hours doing nothing to get a few minutes of doing something then rinse/repeat for the last year or two. 2500 blocks at around 1 minute per block ( Skiff pulls it down in 55 seconds, without maxed skills. A hulk would take three times as long, but get 3 blocks. You can get it a bit faster, but I doubt you can get it to 30 seconds a block, which is what you'd need for the numbers you just quoted.) That's 2500 man/minutes. Or around an hour for 40 people to clear, ignoring the time to dump ore in the station.
I've been attempting to mine with an alt for the last day or two, and I get maybe 2 loads with a mackinaw then the spawn is empty. It's pretty ******** honestly. And the majority of the reason is a couple corps come in, they all divvy up which roids to focus on, mine them out within the time it takes me to do one load, then I have to fly to the next roid in a damn mackinaw...unless I can get a mwd on it, it's killing the actual amount of time I can spend mining, I sit there watching him slowly pull in range of a roid, get 1 or 2 cycles, then the roid pops, rinse, repeat...it's just dumb and completely pointless now.... http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:11:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:I've pretty much just decided this is skill training online for me at this point because I got tired of sitting around for 5 hours, jumping systems looking for fights with friends to get maybe 1 or 2 good fights that last like 1-2 minutes. There's no fun in pvp, I don't like blob warfare, and I don't want to do FW b/c I like being able to travel through all the empires without being shot. I have no interest in null...and I have no interest in living in LS exclusively, it's a wasteland anyways.
Wow, guy, negative much? Seems like you are saying that you only played EVE to mine ice/make isk. On that note, have you looked at playing the markets? I hear you can make lots of isk with little time investment, if you know what you're doing.
Alternatively, I guess you could quit. vOv
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Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:13:00 -
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Iszi wrote:Barakkus wrote:I've pretty much just decided this is skill training online for me at this point because I got tired of sitting around for 5 hours, jumping systems looking for fights with friends to get maybe 1 or 2 good fights that last like 1-2 minutes. There's no fun in pvp, I don't like blob warfare, and I don't want to do FW b/c I like being able to travel through all the empires without being shot. I have no interest in null...and I have no interest in living in LS exclusively, it's a wasteland anyways. Wow, guy, negative much? Seems like you are saying that you only played EVE to mine ice/make isk. On that note, have you looked at playing the markets? I hear you can make lots of isk with little time investment, if you know what you're doing. Alternatively, I guess you could quit. vOv
No, I USED to pvp mostly and run incursions between ops...I have a tower to tinker with industry on alts and that's why I ice mined...but if you look me up on eve kill, you will see my pvp pretty much died off around this last fall b/c all my friends started getting bored of this game and half of them left...
And yes I'm mad, CCP keeps making promises for things then either not doing them or doing them half assed or whatever and is slowly killing their game. The incursion expansion was the busiest eve has been and it's been declining since b/c of all the ******** **** they keep doing...I LIKED EVE at one point but I'm getting really irritated with the direction they keep going...
They USED to have a decent balance for the hardcore and the casual, last couple years they've been listening to the hardcore and neglecting the casual, and even giving the casual the finger, which is where the majority of their money comes from...
Just look at the ******** **** that has happened in the last 2 years. They promised and worked on Incarna for 6 or 7 years then gave us a room then said, well that's all we're going to do, forget this ever happened. In that time they decided, well let's make an FPS that we're going to make people go buy a console to play, now PS2 is going to come out on the playstation (the only platform they released dust on) and it's going to kill any interest. If they had been smart, they would have released it for PC and actually had a pretty good response to it, they could have released it on console too, but didn't. At the same time they go broke because they flopped on Incarna and gave it up, while losing a **** ton of subscribers over the whole micro transaction bullshit leaked internal news letter and had to lay off a ton of people here and in the Atlanta office, who were working on another MMO that will probably never be released and wasted a **** ton of money there too. They have no direction and keep ******* **** up left and right...and EVE suffers because of it. They need to get their **** together, stop listening to the minority hardcore crowd and find a balance to keep the subs up or this is eventually going to go the way of SWG. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:27:00 -
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I wish Eve let you respec skills for Aurum or Plex
I max out my ice mining and all the mining skills for reprocessing without waste/etc...
I also have a job so get to play maybe 2 to 4 hours a night, and so far since patch I've found 1 ice belt, was able to get 10 chunks of ice before it was gone.
spent yesterday warping around in a shuttle 20 jumps and no luck... so being curious checking various forums there's a popular forum that linked to a botter site's forum where botters with 30+ are swarming them just just after server reboot and the new updated bot script has an automated timer when the last ice pops it starts and auto warps them when the ice anomaly respawns.
so the solo miner like I used to do is now gone. It sucks, yea, but I've moved on.
I do exploration now :) even in high sec it's more money than ice mining was anyhow, I made 60 million isk yesterday for 3 hours of high sec exploring, yesterday was a lucky romp but I made more doing hacking sites than I did doing level 4's yesterday :)
unless you bot, or run isboxer software and have your timer set and can play all day long or run the AFK script for isboxer you are pretty much screwed. |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
28
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:44:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:...How many canceled accounts will this change cause...
Not many, I hear account management is down |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:45:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:xavier69 wrote:...How many canceled accounts will this change cause... Not many, I hear account management is down
It's a conspiracy, they do that everytime they make changes that **** people off :P http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:10:00 -
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Barakkus wrote: And yes I'm mad, CCP keeps making promises for things then either not doing them or doing them half assed or whatever and is slowly killing their game.
Aren't the number subscriptions pretty much going up every year?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:15:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Barakkus wrote: And yes I'm mad, CCP keeps making promises for things then either not doing them or doing them half assed or whatever and is slowly killing their game.
Aren't the number subscriptions pretty much going up every year?
Sure doesn't look like it when you're actually playing, would love to know how many are alts and not, and I doubt anyone over there is going to tell you either way. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:19:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Barakkus wrote: And yes I'm mad, CCP keeps making promises for things then either not doing them or doing them half assed or whatever and is slowly killing their game.
Aren't the number subscriptions pretty much going up every year? Sure doesn't look like it when you're actually playing, would love to know how many are alts and not, and I doubt anyone over there is going to tell you either way.
But even alts pay to play the game, so I'm not sure how you can say the game is being killed..?
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Amelia Ryan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:20:00 -
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I remember something CCP said at fanfest, that people like different playstyles, solo pvp, lazy ice mining, missions,... and that's fine in their book.
Icemining was the ultimate lazy man playstyle, you sit there mining, while on your other screen you could watch some series or movies.
They didn't remove mining, but they removed one of those playstyles, a way some people like to play.
I'm not gonna rage or complain, i do other things in EVE, but i did unsub 3 of my accounts and play less now, that's a fact. I know plenty of people who did the same.
Don't think CCP will feel it in the pocket that bad though, the new dualtraining feature is probably booming now.
Certainly gonna miss the lazy playstyle though, good times. |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:23:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Barakkus wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Barakkus wrote: And yes I'm mad, CCP keeps making promises for things then either not doing them or doing them half assed or whatever and is slowly killing their game.
Aren't the number subscriptions pretty much going up every year? Sure doesn't look like it when you're actually playing, would love to know how many are alts and not, and I doubt anyone over there is going to tell you either way. But even alts pay to play the game, so I'm not sure how you can say the game is being killed..?
It gets stale and very lopsided when you don't have new blood. You get your money and resources (in game) concentrated in the pockets of older players and creates a barrier to entry for new players for the most part, which has already been happening, and they keep making it easier for that to continue and get worse. What fun is a game where most everyone is just an alt? Besides, EVE has to be the most boring MMO on the market now. I've watched so many people just quit over the last couple years it's ridiculous. If they were doing so great then why did they effectively close the Atlanta studio and lay off a bunch of people in the Iceland office? http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Xeno-Xaga Ryan
Nevermind Me llc.
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:32:00 -
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I have to Say I'm Very happy that Mining Scripts and Macro Miners Don't work with this new System. however as a Gamer whom can only log on for 4 or 5 hours a clip it makes the possibility of Mining Ice mostly impossible for me. This is where most of my income came from. all of a sudden my measly 75 million isk a week went down to almost Zero. Thanks CCP. |
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