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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:21:00 -
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I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my mind imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.
So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?
What is your opinion on DUST? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12626
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:23:00 -
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It's ok, it's been banished to the underworld of consoles where it will remain "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:27:00 -
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It won't bleed EvE dry. Two different markets.
The problem is DUST isn't a standalone MMOFPS. It needs it's own space, literally. Not piggybacked on an established IP.
The gaming world is littered with such attempts. They fail because it's half of what they could've been if not tethered to an established IP.
It's like Blizzard tying Diablo III into WoW. It wouldn't work, and it hampers both franchises if it were linked. Two different worlds, two different play styles. Best in their own. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:28:00 -
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I don't want them to abandon it, I want them to port it to PC so I can play it. I would probably be all over that. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:29:00 -
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I don't have any console gaming systems, and I have no plans to get one. That being said, I think the gaming communities from each are different. I don't think merging them will be easy.
If CCP falls into the money>content trap, neither project will do well - however if they don't take ALL players into consideration, the game(s) will stagnate and lose money anyway. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:33:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:It won't bleed EvE dry. Two different markets.
The problem is DUST isn't a standalone MMOFPS. It needs it's own space, literally. Not piggybacked on an established IP.
The gaming world is littered with such attempts. They fail because it's half of what they could've been if not tethered to an established IP.
It's like Blizzard tying Diablo III into WoW. It wouldn't work, and it hampers both franchises if it were linked. Two different worlds, two different play styles. Best in their own.
But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.
I know CCP is given to pie in the sky projections, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I know DUST will never be a success in it's own right, I know that as a fact, as I'm sure many people do. I really wish people who already know this, would stop protecting DUST and help CCP get rid of it. |
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT Interstellar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:35:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my mind imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.
So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?
What is your opinion on DUST?
Dust514 is a cool game and it's already a success. When EVE started, there were lot's of peeps who told pretty much the same story like the OP - " EVE is a failure and going to die some horrible death".
Well EVE has been dieing for 10 years now, but as a long there's still one pilot flying or one merc stomping the grounds, EVE and DUST514 will be around. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:37:00 -
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Charles Javeroux wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my mind imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.
So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?
What is your opinion on DUST? Dust514 is a cool game and it's already a success. When EVE started, there were lot's of peeps who told pretty much the same story like the OP - " EVE is a failure and going to die some horrible death". Well EVE has been dieing for 10 years now, but as a long there's still one pilot flying or one merc stomping the grounds, EVE and DUST514 will be around.
The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet. |
Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:45:00 -
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Give it time. Beta is a beta and it has barely been out of launch for a month.
Hell it isn't even in effect in Null yet, lets see what comes of it then.
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
805
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:50:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet. No, its not. And no, not really. Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST.
I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this. |
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Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:52:00 -
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Dust is awesome and has the potential to be even more awesome. It takes time to develop and implement all cool things ccp is aiming for with the game. Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab. - Said no-one, ever. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:56:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet. No, its not. And no, not really.
You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules.
(Notice how I stopped reading at your first word, the rest are even worse)
Ryuu Shi wrote:Dust is awesome and has the potential to be even more awesome. It takes time to develop and implement all cool things ccp is aiming for with the game.
But that isn't exactly how I understand the gaming market to work? Care to elaborate how this is good for EVE or even DUST? |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:04:00 -
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Just a reminder that this is your money going to a console game you probably don't even play. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
805
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:08:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules. Do you even understand how video games get funded, outside of the "HURRR HURRR KICKSTARTAR" system? Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST.
I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this. |
Torakenat
Substandard industries Insidious Associates
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:13:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote: But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.
I know CCP is given to pie in the sky projections, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I know DUST will never be a success in it's own right, I know that as a fact, as I'm sure many people do. I really wish people who already know this, would stop protecting DUST and help CCP get rid of it.
What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.
No one wants to see CCP fail, and many people will grandstand to show support.
CCP are not foolish enough to allow their core product be substantially impacted by their side venture.
Eve is a resounding success and Dust is still a baby. Let's see what happens after Dust learns how to walk and run before we start condeming and pitchforking.
It's great that you are passionate about EVE..we all are...well most of us :P However, I strongly feel you need to learn when to chill, sit back and relax to see what happens. Being ethnocentric in thinking that eve online cannot grow and expand without dying is at best disturbing. |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:14:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
Dunno about yours, but my money is going to a company in return for access to a game they made. How they spend it, well that's their affair :P |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:16:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules. Do you even understand how video games get funded, outside of the "HURRR HURRR KICKSTARTAR" system?
I know you have a solemn duty to defend other internet users who paid 10 US , 13 euro to join the same internet forum , but DUST is clearly being funded by CCP based on EVE and it's projected revenue. Our money was and has been used on DUST. Now please shave your neck. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:18:00 -
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Torakenat wrote:
What facts?
"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1509
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:27:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Torakenat wrote:
What facts?
"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.
Don't even start that ****. I'm autistic, and I've never said "I know it is a fact". Instead, I say "it is a fact because [insert evidence here]". You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
664
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:32:00 -
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Quote: But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.
If its failing then Eve isn't bringing anything to it?
So which is it? From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:33:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Torakenat wrote:
What facts?
"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.
Or, in this case, people without facts..
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
232
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:36:00 -
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Torakenat wrote:What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.
The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.
Why?
The tethered product doesn't have it's own identity. It's own brand.
It's like Bethesda adding Fallout3 to Skyrim. It wouldn't sell to either market, and probably annoy both.
When CCP makes a PC version, maybe then they can unlink the two, and let DUST develop into it's own brand.
It doesn't need to piggyback onto EvE for EvE players to play it. Fans will play it because they're CCP fans, genre fans or just want to try something different. And from there it grows it's own wings and becomes it's own.
If it existed in 2007 I may have played it then, but Battlefield 2142 got there first, and now I like the brand and play the series (and hoping for BF2143). If DICE added it as a DLC to BF2, I would never have gotten it. Got sick quick of the 1000000000001 modern warfare or WWII games at the time, and wouldn't even give it a second looks. Was there at Wal-Mart one day, and BF2 box and a BF2142 box were side by side. Walked out with BF2142, as that's more interesting. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:41:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Torakenat wrote:What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent. The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.
That's.. not really a fact.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1929
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:42:00 -
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CCP are spending my subscription money on developing features in highsec. As a 0.0 player, I want them to abandon highsec. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Lost True
Paradise project
2335
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:45:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.
So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?
What is your opinion on DUST? I play EVE. I don't care about Dust. I won't play WoD.
But it's too late to whine about it. It's already happen. The money are spent. in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:45:00 -
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If there's just a few people on the forums speaking out against it it really doesn't matter. They say only 10% of the population can thin for themselves .. but in EVE I think the number is much smaller. When DUST fails and it will.... you can think of what EVE could have been. It's not like I'm the first person in 6 years to ask CCP to rethink their trajectory, possibly the only one who still bothers.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
410
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:45:00 -
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I'm still hoping Dust leads Eve to something more interesting in station eventually. but abandon Dust..? nope. I wish there was a pc version but that's a different matter. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
232
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:46:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Torakenat wrote:What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent. The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail. That's.. not really a fact.
Ask Coca-Cola that lessen when they tried to market new Coke as Coke.
Name was there, the taste wasn't, and consumers were irate (the Cola war of the 80s). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Odhinn Vinlandii
Meltdown.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:47:00 -
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DUST is good, and when all of it's features are turned on, it will be great.
---Seven year EVE bittervet. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:48:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote: But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.
If its failing then Eve isn't bringing anything to it? So which is it?
How do you think DUST came about, just curious |
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