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Royal Executioner Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:43:00 -
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Donedy wrote:KoD Death wrote:I Just came back from a long break mostly because I saw the changes in exploration. After getting out there in high/low/null and scanning I can honestly say that the system was improved by leaps and bounds.
Seriously, the sites used to be lack luster overall -- most of the time it was just a change of pace from the anoms/DED sites and you really only cleared the data/hacking sites in order to get other anoms to spawn.
What was the worst were those damn cans that always refused to bust open, leaving you with your modules on for over 5 minutes failing over and over.
Now, with that said....
Can you guys stop whining??!?!?!
This happens every time a major change is implemented!!!! It's not some new concept. Remember PI? All those materials crashed hard because of the influx of people. It's fine now.
Give it time.
The overall thing to take away from the situation is that an ASPECT OF THE GAME WAS IMPROVED!!
Stop acting like a member of CCP came into your house, kicked your dog, and slept with your girlfriend. Time will not bring back shiny tengus in this plexs. Nor decent prices for Data/Relic sites loots. An aspect of the game has not been improved, but it has been changed with good things, and bad things, as usual with CCP. Get a brain, and stop being a ccp fangirl.
You still can find tengus in WHs. Try it
Off topic: you see that even in fail fit trash frigs it is possible to demonstrate an amazing ISK efficiency? |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
244
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:47:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Off topic: you see that even in fail fit trash frigs it is possible to demonstrate an amazing ISK efficiency?
Your name always makes me think of.....
A personage of noble rank and title GÇö A dignified and potent officer, Whose functions are particularly vital! Defer, defer, To the Lord High Executioner! Defer, defer, To the noble Lord, to the noble Lord, To the Lord High Executioner!
[Enter Ko-Ko attended.]
(Ko-Ko:) Taken from the county jail By a set of curious chances; Liberated then on bail, On my own recognizances; Wafted by a favouring gale As one sometimes is in trances, To a height that few can scale, Save by long and weary dances; Surely, never had a male Under such like circumstances So adventurous a tale, Which may rank with most romances. (Ko-Ko & Chorus:) Taken from the county jail (Taken from the county jail) By a set of curious chances; (Liberated then on bail) Surely, never had a male (Surely, never had a male) So adventurous a tale. (So adventurous a tale.)
(Chorus:) Defer, defer, To the Lord High Executioner! Defer, defer, To the noble Lord, To the noble Lord High Executioner! Bow down, bow down, To the Lord High Executioner! Defer, defer, To the noble, noble Lord, To the High Executioner!
"You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
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Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
179
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:58:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Donedy wrote:KoD Death wrote:I Just came back from a long break mostly because I saw the changes in exploration. After getting out there in high/low/null and scanning I can honestly say that the system was improved by leaps and bounds.
Seriously, the sites used to be lack luster overall -- most of the time it was just a change of pace from the anoms/DED sites and you really only cleared the data/hacking sites in order to get other anoms to spawn.
What was the worst were those damn cans that always refused to bust open, leaving you with your modules on for over 5 minutes failing over and over.
Now, with that said....
Can you guys stop whining??!?!?!
This happens every time a major change is implemented!!!! It's not some new concept. Remember PI? All those materials crashed hard because of the influx of people. It's fine now.
Give it time.
The overall thing to take away from the situation is that an ASPECT OF THE GAME WAS IMPROVED!!
Stop acting like a member of CCP came into your house, kicked your dog, and slept with your girlfriend. Time will not bring back shiny tengus in this plexs. Nor decent prices for Data/Relic sites loots. An aspect of the game has not been improved, but it has been changed with good things, and bad things, as usual with CCP. Get a brain, and stop being a ccp fangirl. You still can find tengus in WHs. Try it Off topic: you see that even in fail fit trash frigs it is possible to demonstrate an amazing ISK efficiency? You still can stay in high sec for non risk scrub stuff, gtfo. Also, having an "amazing isk efficiency" is really easy when you dont take any risk. You sir are a scrublord. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:29:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Donedy wrote:KoD Death wrote:I Just came back from a long break mostly because I saw the changes in exploration. After getting out there in high/low/null and scanning I can honestly say that the system was improved by leaps and bounds.
Seriously, the sites used to be lack luster overall -- most of the time it was just a change of pace from the anoms/DED sites and you really only cleared the data/hacking sites in order to get other anoms to spawn.
What was the worst were those damn cans that always refused to bust open, leaving you with your modules on for over 5 minutes failing over and over.
Now, with that said....
Can you guys stop whining??!?!?!
This happens every time a major change is implemented!!!! It's not some new concept. Remember PI? All those materials crashed hard because of the influx of people. It's fine now.
Give it time.
The overall thing to take away from the situation is that an ASPECT OF THE GAME WAS IMPROVED!!
Stop acting like a member of CCP came into your house, kicked your dog, and slept with your girlfriend. Time will not bring back shiny tengus in this plexs. Nor decent prices for Data/Relic sites loots. An aspect of the game has not been improved, but it has been changed with good things, and bad things, as usual with CCP. Get a brain, and stop being a ccp fangirl. You still can find tengus in WHs. Try it Off topic: you see that even in fail fit trash frigs it is possible to demonstrate an amazing ISK efficiency? As i already said, you still can stay in high sec for non risk scrub stuff, gtfo. (And for what you say about wh, i already do it, if it can make you happy. Oddly there is way more **** frigs doing data/relic sites in low sec than tengus doing plexs in whs, why? Hmmmmmm riskyrisky.) Also, having an "amazing isk efficiency" is really easy when you dont take any risk and doesnt mean you're any good. You sir are a scrublord.
Flying in a T3 blob fleet is pretty much risk free as well, so please dont try to sound as if you really take 'risks'. You are no more different than a high-sec carebear with the only difference is that highseccers want free-risk loot and you want free-risk shiny T3 kills. |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
179
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:42:00 -
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First, check my killboard if you dont trust me but i do much more solo than blob fest. Secondly, if you're in a T1 scrub fleet and are overblobed, its no big deal, if you're in a T3 fleet and are overblobebd its quite painfull and more likely cause T3s are shiny and bring the blob.
Its not because you're in a T3 that you're invincible. At contrary, yu take more risks flying T3, thats why there is much more T1 scrub fleets. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:16:00 -
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are you saying it's easier to catch invisible T2 ships than invisible T3 ships? freelance space bum |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
29
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:18:00 -
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It's worth noting that there's still a lot of novelty rush in it - that, coupled with high prices the loot previously had made people consider running those sites profitable. Supply vastly increased without increased demand, so prices crashed. People will start looking for different sources of ISK and prices will eventually stabilize.
Change always brings in some chaos, although I can't say I necessarily agree with the fact that you can ninja sites in dangerous space risking a cheap-ass boat. I mean, a damn Cheetah can do those sites and they're very cheap to replace. Seems CCP swung the balance too hard the other way, making those things too easy - still, no feature ever became cool without polish, so we can expect adjustments soon.
Perhaps rats - in low numbers and by no means preventing you from picking up the loot (like the previous version.) - could make a return in low/null sites? Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
4
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:35:00 -
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ok , had an idea. kind of an escalation for profession sites.
leave the sites as they are currently, add a new(actually old as i have some in my hanger from years back) loot drop of the 'pirate log' variety. the pirate log will be deliberately vague, ie: "the boss wants us to move to some new system, place is a bit of a shithole tbh, but i've learned it's only X number of jumps from a rather well regarded pleasure hub in XXXXXX...... so there's that".
picking it up spawns the new site X number of jumps(random direction) from the named system, giving the 'seasoned' explorer a starting point.
these new sites would be occupied by rats, with better loot spawns etc. also possibly giving another 'escalation' to an even harder site.(or just something different, to be elaborated on later).
the idea i had( but i'm also open to ideas ;)) was to have the new site spawn for say 7 days, but for the first 2-3 it could only be entered by the person with the pirate log(acceleration gate consumes the log, anyone can follow you in at that point) after 2-3 days it would be enter-able by anybody(still requires combat ability etc) so people who don't have time to play ALL the time would have the chance to do the site given they found the log/location.
the escalation site itself would be scannable by anybody, just not enterable, so pirates could find and camp the entrance or whatever, the pirate log would become a sale-able item for those not capable or inclined to find the site.
other idea's for what you could find are secret stargates too sansha base systems, scanning everything in the sys gives you an item you can turn in to concord for LP's or cold hard isk etc. or give you a heads up on where the next incursions will be so you can stock the local market. organize your buddies to run it first, or whatever else you may do with the info.
jumpgates to jove space would be nice too, make them only usable by shuttles even. but as an explorer i want to find stuff nobody or not many people will see, not just shiny loots(though they are appreciated, and in some way expected for the level of risk involved)
i want exploration to be exploration, not just a mission without an agent |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
180
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Posted - 2013.06.12 14:28:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:are you saying it's easier to catch invisible T2 ships than invisible T3 ships? what? |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
29
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:24:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:are you saying it's easier to catch invisible T2 ships than invisible T3 ships?
It... actually is. T3s have a pesky sub known as an Interdiction Nullifier. They ignore drag/stop bubbles and can warp out from a bubbled gate without the need to burn away (and without giving the campers time to decloak them.)
If you want to nab a T3 it's either instalock and luck or catching him with his pants down in a site (and both can be done to T2 in the same way.) Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
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Johan Toralen
Clockwork X3
99
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:32:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: What about you just go to WH and enjoy rats there.
Please tell us what your agenda is regarding the topic. I only see non-constructive babbling from you. |
Henry Montclaire
Vortex Research Dalek Asylum
58
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:58:00 -
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Rather than lowering supply (which makes exploration an even more tedious and odious task that it already is) is to increase demand. Add some items to exploration which are usable by everyone and which are good. Why must only things for industry and invention drop from data and relic sites? Add a theme-appropriate drop or two which can be used by your average meathead (like myself). Maybe some sort of ancient booster, or implant, or other ship enhancing drop.
Point is, Exploration is immensely frustrating at the moment. When two people in T3s spend hours combing through null sec and find they've made far less than they could have simply ratting, or running incursions, or salvaging in WHs, it gets a little frustrating.
And then, you hit the cargo scanner, and you find the jackpot. Faction station BPC. And because of the new hacking system, and sheer random luck, you flub it twice and it blows up . . . That's just depressing.
If you're worried about supply, it will decrease, because people are getting fed up and finding its not worth their time, and hey, if that's considered design success, power to you.
So far this 'gold rush' is over a load of pyrite. But I'll continue participating because for some reason I enjoy it, in a masochistic sort of way. Hopefully it pays off eventually. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:19:00 -
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Johan Toralen wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: What about you just go to WH and enjoy rats there.
Please tell us what your agenda is regarding the topic. I only see non-constructive babbling from you.
Agenda is very simple: you stop whining about rats. |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
180
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Posted - 2013.06.12 18:01:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Johan Toralen wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: What about you just go to WH and enjoy rats there.
Please tell us what your agenda is regarding the topic. I only see non-constructive babbling from you. Agenda is very simple: you stop whining about rats. You know you did not give any valid arguments, do you?
Third time, go back to high sec scrublord. |
MYKILL
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 05:55:00 -
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The cost of data site loot has nothing to do with how many people are running sites it's how useful the item is. Player A wants to make a tech 2 BS, spends millions on cores and millions on a dycrypytor and time making a max run tech 1 copy. After 2 days comes back to read "sorry it didn't work this time maybe you should keep trying". Player B has an infinite run tech 2 BPO.And can produce infinite copys. People are realising who now controls industry and doing other things. CCP have now reduced the loot drop from sites by around 90% from data sites if anybody's noticed but dycypters/cores will stay sat on the shelf. So by complaining about the drop in price caused by invention kicking in you are now seeing a data site produce around 600K in a 0.1 low so what are they producing in high since the 18th of June? |
Paul Uter
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:21:00 -
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Market still continues to tank.
CCP will you do something about this Cov Ops on line ? |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
830
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:02:00 -
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Ioci wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:We're revisiting the loot but a lot of this is due to the sheer increase in number of people using the feature. Six times more people doing it makes a huge supply side change! The data and relic sites in particular are seeing a awful lot of visitors. Things will obviously adjust as people drift off to other things and in part the depressed prices for the loot will help with that as it will move on those who are just taking part in the immediate gold rush post changes. Anyone who cries about cheap decryptors needs to use them first. They want to make ISK from their loot? I want to actually have a snowballs chance in hell of saving ISK when I invent and produce my own ships. It doesn't work out that way though.
So in explorers patch they destroy explorers income, I guess you don't want to imagine what happens when they get around to "fixing" industry eh? This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Sarcasim
The Free Haven Group The Union of Free Worlds
9
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Posted - 2013.06.23 21:06:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Diablo Aeglaeca wrote:anybody who ran the sites last week, before the weekend, needs to run them again. Try tonight. Sites that last week were putting good isk out are diluted now since the value of items crashed. Nope, not where I am. You should try harder. Proof?? |
Moon Sunshine
Utopian Research I.E.L.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 21:31:00 -
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This game has maybe 10.000 of various commodities, but somehow i still loot metal scraps from these containers.
last time i felt like am just wasting my time doing these sites. common add some surprise factor!
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Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
10
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:53:00 -
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Surprise factor? That's the evila pirate declaoking in 1000m distcance while you're concentrating on "grab the shines"
ps: Since this is a drunk pots, please excuse aweful grammar and/or lousy spelling.
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