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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:45:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:
Decisions are made by those who show up. If the third group will continue to play no matter what.
Decisions are made by certain people at CCP who's job it is to make them.
You forum nerds keep thinking you have some say in what CCP does or doesn't do. Does common sense go out the window when you sign up for internet forums?
You think because all fifty of you (and the 150 posting alts) once in a while happen to say something and CCP implements it that it's because of you? Think about the thousands of whines that have changed nothing.
Get over yourselves.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Kengutsi Akira
80
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:56:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Sir Substance wrote:I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.
I ask you the following question:
If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.
Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.
The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.
Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.
Discuss. How much to I want WiS? I cancelled my accounts when I heard they put it on the back burner in favor of ship spinning, and working on null-sec. I spoke with my clutch.
lol how long before they reverse this decision and cut another 20%
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Blastier
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:01:00 -
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The people who left were also a lot of vocal WiS'ers who were unhappy with the NeX store, the implementation and bastardization of the original concept. Think Mothermoon...
It wasn't all FiS people who quit, though I know it makes them feel even more hip to think that, just like it was 'cool' to bash Incarna then it turned into bashing WiS as a concept which many of them didn't even understand. Most of them didn't know what establishments were. |
Lushan Galindo
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:09:00 -
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It seemed like that before Incarna, the forums were clamoring for WiS and ambulation. After the poorly executed roll out, people threw tantrums. Look , CCP made two mistakes: 1. releasing the nex store with grossly overpriced vanity items in true Isk cost, and making the CQ mandatory, (and then trolling all the low end graphics users with the 'door'). We got ship spinning back, and it looks like the nex store is near meaningless unless you like to play dress up. |
Kengutsi Akira
80
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:08:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Sir Substance wrote:I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.
I ask you the following question:
If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? Because they are civilised people who respect others opinions and choices?
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Blastier wrote:The people who left were also a lot of vocal WiS'ers who were unhappy with the NeX store, the implementation and bastardization of the original concept. Think Mothermoon...
It wasn't all FiS people who quit, though I know it makes them feel even more hip to think that, just like it was 'cool' to bash Incarna then it turned into bashing WiS as a concept which many of them didn't even understand. Most of them didn't know what establishments were.
Yeah cause it POSSIBLY be cause the idea it stupid in a game designed around internet spaceships to have a walking in stations side game that wouldnt be used for the actual PLAYING (IE space combat) portion of the game.
The ppl HAD to just not have any idea what they were talking about amirite? What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:13:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.
I ask you the following question:
If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.
Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.
The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.
Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.
Discuss.
You understand that Pilots <> Subs right? That the most vocal and upset people are likely the hardcore players with 3,5, maybe 10 or more accounts. If they vote with their wallet the effect is vastly magnified un-subs. What CCP doesn't get is they need to stop random kneejerk responses (Ship spinning?) and get back to the GAME!
WIS should have been part of this game years ago, but they continue to fail with it. FW should have never been pushed into the sorry state it's in, but they ignored it. 0.0 is a mess that may never be resolved, due to the moon isk faucet and the absurd sov system. Many people don't go beyond their own little pocket other than to fly to a hub and buy stuff. The game lacks excitement because it's too static.
A universe should be in a state of constant flux, up to and including gates shifting, stations orbiting moons, belts orbiting, rats anywhere, anytime. This would of course require a better autopilot, so that you could come into a system and scan so that your autopilot can figure out the route. Incidently it would also make botting a bit harder as well.
Stop nerfing, buff instead, make the universe a dynamic place. One that requires more attention than an autopilot and a macro....
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:15:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: Decisions are made by certain people at CCP who's job it is to make them.
Taking advice from the community.
Mr Epeen wrote: You forum nerds keep thinking you have some say in what CCP does or doesn't do. Does common sense go out the window when you sign up for internet forums?
Should have said off the Balcony so I could point out I don't have one because I have Hanger View on. Now if you will excuse me I will go place Medium Hybrid Turret V in the cue.
Mr Epeen wrote: You think because all fifty of you (and the 150 posting alts) once in a while happen to say something and CCP implements it that it's because of you? Think about the thousands of whines that have changed nothing.
A small group of dedicated individuals can change things. It is the only thing that ever has. I have no Alts but I do have everything on my Wish list for the game coming this winter.
Mr Epeen wrote: Get over yourselves.
Nice Corp Name.
I am gonna go back to my hanger now. Enjoy your establishments Forum nerd.
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
98
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:28:00 -
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so far of the 15 ppl that voted here is the result
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/lifelongnoob/evesurvey.png Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Euasked
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:55:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:
Decisions are made by those who show up. If the third group will continue to play no matter what.
Decisions are made by certain people at CCP who's job it is to make them. You forum nerds keep thinking you have some say in what CCP does or doesn't do. Does common sense go out the window when you sign up for internet forums? You think because all fifty of you (and the 150 posting alts) once in a while happen to say something and CCP implements it that it's because of you? Think about the thousands of whines that have changed nothing. Get over yourselves. Mr Epeen
Angry hypocrite still dosnt get it does he?
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Jon Martial
August Limited
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:37:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:The OP doesn't quite get it, nor do many other posters on these forums. Here's a breakdown with some imaginary numbers: 20% of EVE population: Vocal FiSers 10% of EVE population: Vocal WiSers 70% of EVE population: Quiet We-Don't-Care-What-CCP-Do-Because-We-Like-Or-Accept-It-All-ers
I'm part of that 3rd group, as I'm sure many other players are. Most wouldn't post because they're not as...opinionated....as the other groups.
EVE is not split into two distinct groups.
Word. |
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
8
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:44:00 -
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majority or minority, WIS/Avatars are going to please many current customers, and bring in many many more. Customizable avatars have been something thats been selling on the internet for YEARS. The gaming industry has actually been extremely slow to embrace this, and the only surprise should be its only NOW happening, and not 5 years ago
And whats this voting ****? I play eve a lot and i never saw any kind of vote... wtf? |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
98
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:56:00 -
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now up to 20 ppl that voted
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/lifelongnoob/evesurvey2.png Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
8
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Posted - 2011.10.22 20:04:00 -
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So you expect CCP to base their company around some random third party voting thing with 20 voters? lol. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
98
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Posted - 2011.10.22 20:07:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:So you expect CCP to base their company around some random third party voting thing with 20 voters? lol.
nope but it does show that the majority of those that voted prefer flying in space to be focused on and NOT what the OP was saying. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
624
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:03:00 -
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Caulk H0lster wrote: ...so we can continue discussing SPACESHIPS in a constructive manner on this forum.
Spaceships.
Discuss.
Constructive.
You new here?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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baltec1
129
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:10:00 -
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I want to see incarna continued.
But the list of things in the winter is far more interesting |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2011.10.23 03:13:00 -
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First of all, where is this vote?
Secondly, you call that a vote?
That isn't a vote. If you want a real vote to prove a point, get in-game and evemail a named ballot to every active account. And while you're in-game, try flying those spaceships that you keep saying you won the right to fly.
lol, you didn't win anything. Except maybe arse of the year award.
Actually, you totally missed the big picture due to not being able to pull your head out of your so called sand box..
The Dream
Incarna is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo first person shooter simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously will create the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.
My Gawd, are you deaf, dumb and blind? Can't you see the possibility's? This will open up a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. And when it all comes together, we'll have front row seats on the ground floor helping to make history.
Imagine this scenario.
While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on Planet IV. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the situation, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone.
With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other.
As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting more supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy blockade ships when more enemy ships warp in and you find yourself tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again informing you they need those supplies now.
Eve is Real
This is just one of the many different possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy.
CCP has admitted they messed up by trying to developed WoD, Dust and Eve expansions all at the same time. They also messed up by giving us buggy half finished content due to allocating too many manhours and resources towards the other projects. Probably in an attempt to save money they started using us as Beta testing. Showing us the door in an attempt to encourage more Captains Quarters usage for load testing. Their wallet got thin so they added NEX with high priced items in an attempt to keep all 3 projects going. CCPs timing, bad PR, poor quality control, lack of communication and the way they introduced everything into the game, all were bad judgement calls.
Then we decided to use 'Ship Spinning' as the battlecry while staging mass protests, flooding the forums and 3rd party bulletin boards with emo-rage hate threads encouraging everyone to cancel subscriptions on a mass scale without even realizing or knowing the full back story of the financial problems at CCP.
I truly hope we didn't kill the dream.
Due to being financially strapped, thanks to our help, CCP has conceded by placing WoD on hold and in an effort to keep the dream alive, had to resort to a 20% reduction of their work force. They are now bending over backwards to address our concerns and repair the damage by concentrating on fixing the unbalanced buggy issues plaguing Eve as well as introduce some new FiS content . Not to mention adding special items for new registered accounts.
Ahhh, but we got 'Ship Spinning' again. BFD, seriously, BFD
Now after all that has happened, players are still posting emo-rage hate threads and unsubscription notice threads filled with self-righteous indignation trying to flood these forums once again with discontent. Some players are even encouraging others to do the same. These type of actions do not bode well for bringing in new subscriptions that are desperately needed at this time.
As an active member of this community for over 3 years, I have to say that I'm ashamed and disappointed at how our community is acting right now. In the name of 'Holy Veldspar' I ask and beg everyone to please step back and let CCP prove themselves once again able to deliver excellent content like they used to do.
You know, like the stuff that dreams are made of. |
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